Poland, Western Europe and the USA - What if Ukraine disappears from the map?

@Bratwurst Boy, exactly, that's one of the things that I meant when I wrote that Ukraine isn't Chechnya.


You mean you'll have to kill, imprison, torture and terrorise more people. Aha.
So, how many Ukrainians are you going to kill? That psycho on Russian state TV said that it should be around 2 mln people. Do you agree with this number? Or do you think it would be less? Or more?

There is no such thing as monolithic Ukrainian nation. There is three major regions that have very different interests. And even now, for most of Western ukrainian inhabitants, war on East is "not their war".


As little as possible. Ideally - zero, as in Crimea. But already unsuccessful with this ideal outcome.

How can you get things wrong.so often?

NATO countries will only be facing war with Russia and their friends.
If that includes Serbia, so be it.

You have no right to execute a democratically elected president of a foreign country.


That you've managed to unify against one enemy - Russia. Bravo! 🤦


Yes, very unsuccessful. So, how many Ukrainians are you ready to kill to achieve your goals? How many would be "too many"? Is there even such a limit in your f*cked up Russian minds?

I think not.

What Russians need is to be put in their place.once and for all.
Whatever that takes.

This was not a threat, just question.

If maidan coup and further appearance of NATO-controlled weapons in Kharkov region is "Ukraine internal affair", will be Maidan in Edinburgh and appearance of Russian-controlled missiles within same distance from London a "Scottish internal affair"? ;)


Even one is too many. And revenge will be on the heads of those who caused this. Polish "neo-schlachta" should prepare, right after their masters...

Believe me, NATO does not wish war with Serbia.


Truth.

Clearly it isn't - not for Putin, not for you, not for Bobko and not for majority of Russians, because you want this to go on. So - how many more Ukrainians are you ready to kill and maim? How many are you ready to torture? How many are you ready to send for years to labour colonies? How many are you ready to deport from their homes? HOW MANY, VELUND??


I wish, but I doubt that Putin will ever pay for this. And whatever the price you and your Putinazi ilk will pay, it most probably won't be enough.


Oh, we're getting ready, don't you worry.

AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE, PAULINA! BUT AFTER 8 YEARS OF GENOCIDE OF RUSSIANS ON DONBASS WE HAVE LITTLE EMPATHY TO THOSE WHO RESIST US.

@Velund, you moron, if you call what Ukrainians did in Donbas "GENOCIDE" (lol), then what are you going to call what you did to Chechnya and what you're doing now to Ukraine?? "SPECIAL OPERATION"?? You have no shame!


You never had any empathy to anyone who resisted you, no matter whether they did anything to you or not. You are devils in human skin.

I noted to myself - 15000 dead Polish civilians is still not a genocide, if that ever happens...

Don't forget that to these idiots, everything starts with the first Russian tank rolling into Ukraine, and absolutely nothing before that moment matters.


I wonder if they will ever decode that sentence properly...

Lisichansk, Severodonetsk have just become Russia. The Ukri may return them back in about 500 years.

You are repeatedly threatening us - do you notice much fear and trembling in response? How about some change of tactics then? You know what they say about doing the same thing all over again and expecting different results. :)

One thing about this war does seriously bother me though... why don't your forces pursue, or at least attack with artillery/air-strikes, retreating Ukrainian forces (like in Severodonetsk recently)? It is during retreat that you can inflict the heaviest losses on withdrawing enemy. Why isn't Russian army doing it??? Watched from the outside it looks almost as if you want to minimalise their losses. WTF? Something is not right here...

@Velund
It for tat? Revenge is not justice, it's a humiliating evidence of barbarism and admitting defeat.


Nothing new, it's what all Poles expect from Russia. Szlachta or not!

Russia has no self control, while Russians got duped by Kremlin about Donbas being bombed by Ukrainian forces instead of Russian military.

Putin is duping the Russian public just like Hitler duped Germans about Polish soldiers attacking a radio station in Gliwice! (Which were German criminals disguised as Polish soldiers then excecuted, it wasn't admitted until Nürenberg trials)

So my question is how long will Russian be duped by their own government? When Moscow burns to the ground? When Russian children go hungry? When you would need to eat dogs and cats within besieged cities? In name of what exactly? Pride? Russian greatness that doesn't exist? Russian Mir?

What's happening in Ukraine is far from good, great, glory or Slavic.

Please return to your roots, there is still hope. There got to be some human part left within Russians, something that stirred the hearts of Russians when they heard that Czechs being killed, when Poles being raided, when Serbs being enslaved, when Croats being brain washed, when Slovakians being under Hungarians, when Ukrainians living in serfdom.

Anything? Any empathy at all? Or was it allways "just" politics?

How exactly is it, that you know already in what shape the withdrawn/encircled Ukrainian formations are? From what is being reported by Russian war journalists, they took very heavy losses when withdrawing from the Gorskoye-Zolotoye pocket, and even heavier losses when swimming across the river from Severodonetsk to Lisichansk. Now the group trying to break out from Lisichanks to Seversk and Soledar are taking very heavy losses too, because the roads have been cut and all their escape routes are covered by artillery that's already dialed-in.

One Ukrainian unit commander posted on Facebook that it took him and his men 2 days of running between bushes, and crawling around at night through the tree lines to cross a few kms of terrain before reaching his lines. Again, Russian sources reporting that some withdrawing units took as much as 50% losses.

I think the gloves are off, and now the accent is on breaking the will of the AFU through a few very hot weeks/months.

Alternative explanation (if they really did pull out the majority of formations intact): it doesn't make a difference whether they are encircled now in a smaller pocket consisting of Lisichansk only, or a larger one that would materialize after Russian lines can connect through Slovyansk-Soledar-Artemovsk. Though I agree with you, the Russian army should be raining constant hellfire on them during their retreats.

Finally - the Ukrainian explanation. They have fooled us. Through disinformation in media, they convinced us they were still holding on to Severodonetsk, when in fact for two days they were quietly retreating in small numbers and mining key axis of movement. A small group of rearguard forces continued to make noise to give us the impression of more serious numbers. With their men safe, they continued to calmly watch us expends tens of tons of ammunition daily on empty positions. Finally, a stupid Ukrainian journalist blew the brilliant operation by announcing that Ukrainian soldiers were successfully withdrawn. This triggered the movement of our forces into the city, and the end of this chapter.

You are a smart man, you decide which scenario is plausible.

No. And nobody expected. Just don't turn "ukrainian mode" later and do not ask "what are they beating us for?"


I see one more brainwashed moron, nothing more. For now, 155 mm NATO shells that falling to Donetsk and suburbs is definitely cannot be from Russian army. By definition. But even before, with Soviet made 152 mm artillery and 82 and 120 mm mortars people still have two ears and was always able to determine direction of sound from artillery fire and explosions of incoming shells. Especially ones on "line of contact" like in Trudowskoe, where shot heard from one side and related explosion from another.

I get my news from people in Donbass, not from MSM.

MSM said that Russia is running out of weapons in their offensive invasion.

My secret is: certain knowledge in military matters, skillful use of internet (various sources from both sides), the ability to separate propaganda from valuable information, and - last but no the least - brilliant analytical mind.


Thank you for your answer - it is being processed. ;)


Sure. You've got a deal, Veli.

MSM is already published coverage of explosions in Belgorod this night (single ukrainian Tochka-U was able to pass through anti-air defenses and exploded in private homes area, 5 dead and 11 wounded per last reports) as "indiscriminate attacks of Russians to ukrainian city".

So, continue to read your MSM.

Two old soviet "Strizh" UAV was shot down on their way to Kursk this night.

@Velund
The brainwashed calling other brainwashed? :)
Can't make this stuff up

Alas, we are all pawns in the game of gods, demons and their aspirants.

Poland has no masters you Russian slave.
neo-schlachta? are you neo-moron? We are all peasants, szlachta is gone. Unless you mean freedom, citizenship and all that that Russia find disgusting and hate it!

You didn't attack Ukrainie because of some junta but because they moved on and learned to change their govermant in a peacful manner. Freedom - that what bugs you!


Where are you? That place need some NATO bombings!

NATO does not wish for war at all and that is what Russians and their @rse lickers like the Serbs misunderstand.
If Russia pushed us to war, then Serbia would also be a target for NATO.
Be afraid, be very afraid and use what little influence Belgrade has on Moscow to reign the Russians in and save your little country.

Pray its not the case.


If you are wise you would be very afraid. You very well know what would happen if NATO now move on Serbia. That instant its the end of NATO. And that for starter.

If you expect RuSSists to come with help, forget it. Their army is only good on paper, and their military equipment goes back to mid Soviet era, like 1970s.


The end of NATO was planned by Trump administration. Luckily, God took proper care of things and Trump is gone.
So, forget it.

When come, NATO would sunk in Serbia like AH did.

I don`t know what AH is but I can`t recall anybody or anything sunk in Serbia. You started two civil wars and completely lost them and RuSSists didn`t help you coz they prefered to develop good relations with the West instead of coming to aid to their Serbian "brothers." Ha! They fekking betrayed you!

We neither started them, we neither lost them. First it was Vatican, Germany, EU and NATO war against us, then they initiated Civil War playing on local nazi ustashe and mujaheedines. Now is truce. We are partially free, partially under occupation. We will be free. Poland, Hungary, Russia and rest of the free world helping.

How old are you emotionally.... four? One of the reasons Serbia is so backwards is the infantile mentality of "we never do anything bad, we're always the victims!"... grow up and maybe your country will be less of a shithоlе...