Poland - A True Bastion and Defender of Free Speech

Jewish by birth, a historical Hebrew, but assimilated into the generic US-culture
as with millions of other American-born Jews.

So why don't you busybodies keep away from the Polish parliament? It is neither American nor Jewish.

Aha, so you admit Poland is overwhelmingly Catholic and ethnically Polish!
Although those Polish Jews who were born in Poland and continue to live
there have as much right to be there as you guys.

So you admit there was a Jewish religious ceremony held in the Polish parliament.

Where in the Polish constitution does this say this is permitted?

Which other groups held religious ceremonies in the Polish parliament?

Good question.

So what's the answer?

Hannukah is a Jewish holiday observance marking the dedication of their religious temple in Jerusalem back in the 2nd century BC.

Jerusalem is thousands of miles away from Warsaw.

So again why is a religious event from a different century and far away place in a foreign country being celebrated inside a Polish government building which is used to debate and enact legislation?

Another manifestation of white guilt...a new kind of cancer that's going to devour us...

@Novichok

True. Remember all the nationwide lawsuits in America over the years when someone wanted to display a simple nativity scene even if it was on their own property?

Goes without saying who the complaints always were.

And now we are to believe that Hannukkah celebrations on government property or in government buildings are fine. Where are all the atheists now and why are they not suing over this?

Jewish ACLU.

We will get to it once that cross from parliament is removed. Deal?

No deal. That cross is what Poles want. Foreign religions are not what Poles want. In a democracy, what people want is final.

And you base that on what?

Spending 24 years in Poland and learning Polish history as a Christian nation,

Many moons ago. You have absolutely no grounds for your claim.

What is your counterclaim?
I was in a public school in Jedlinia-Letnisko in 2017. There I met a Catholic priest assigned to that school. No other religions were represented there.

All other religions were brought to Poland by invitation or invasion and, thus, were not native to Poland.

Agreed and the other poster disingenuously isn't comparing like with like anyway. No surprise there.

The giant menorrah erected in the Sejm and lit by religious clergy celebrates a time, place, event and people foreign to Poland and Polish history.

The Krzyż sejmowy however wasn't installed by religious clergy and has never been used for religious ceremonies.

It was placed by MPs and commemorates the memory of Jerzy Popiełuszko who was murdered during the 1980s by communists (just like the other poster who complains about the cross being displayed (go figure)). Even Agnieszka Holland made a film about his murder called "To Kill a Priest".

The cross is a direct and intimate part of the history of both the Sejm and Poland and should be included and preserved in the collection of the Sejm Library's Museum.

Thank you.

Jews have been in Poland for over a thousand years. Polish Jews are a part of Poland's history.

Highly agree. Have contributed much to medicine, military technology, art, literature, etc, like Israel is strong, when the Jews were around Poland was strong.

Then in all that time they should have fully integrated rather than prefer to live apart in a state of coexistence.


If that's the case then why are you making a distinction regarding their identity?

There is no 'if' about it. Perhaps you need to do a bit more reading.


I'm simply calling them what they are.

Perhaps you just need to explain yourself rather than trying to evade answering the question.


Of course, when it's time for accolades or pity then suddenly their different identity needs to be highlighted.

But what about when the time comes for accountability? Do you still insist such group distinctions should be made?

You better say yes and then provide examples to back up your convictions.

At night, without any authorization.


Why?


How about all those official masses, bishops blessing everything etc?


I hope he still has something to do considering to numbers of kids refusing to go to religion classes.

That's part of the history and removing the cross won't change that.


Why do you have a problem with Jews fully integrating into a society? Why should they be considered separate or want to be considered separate?


Official masses were held inside the Sejm? When? Post some photos and links.

I'm not trying to evade answering your question. If you read any decent history book about Poland there will be mention of Polish Jews because they are an integral part of the history of Poland. There is no " if that's the case ".


I'm not sure if you're trying to be deliberately obtuse? I don't care whether you are discussing accolades, pity or accountability. Polish Jews have been in Poland for a very long time, and that is what they are. No more, no less.

Poland existed before their arrival and Poland existed after their departure.

They were never necessary. It could have been any group. It just happened to be them.

They lived apart by choice and then most either left or died in obscurity.

Any personal accomplishments made here or there by any one of them don't apply to all of them as a group.

And any individual accomplish could only have been realized thanks to the generosity, tolerance, kindness and opportunities afforded to them by the Polish state and their Polish neighbors.


Of course you care. That's why you keep making a distinction regarding their identity. It is very important to you.

By the way, how long have you been a Zionist and what inspired you to become and remain one?

Bs. Without Jews, Poland wouldn`t have developed as much as it did. And the Polish culture would be much poorer today.

Exaggerated claims without any evidence.

All bluster and no substance.

Yawn.

You are lying as usual. There are multiple sources on the importance of Jewish trade or industry in Polish economy both before, during and after partitions.

E.g,
Jerzy Topolski further concluded that from the second half of the seventeenth century, the Jewish population that was concentrated in the eastern part of the commonwealth "was an element in introducing the latifundial economic system. Without it, we would have had something like a living organism without blood."

No wonder, then, that the Sobieskis and Radziwiłłs supported the Jewish merchants, whose activities invigorated the economy of the latifundium and brought additional income from the fees they could levy on any form of mercantile activity. Further, as Adam Teller has observed, in the eighteenth century these activities not only generated revenues for the magnates, but also sustained the functioning of markets in the towns themselves.

degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9788394914912-025/html

They haven't all departed there are still a few thousand left there.


Of course there are but Poloniusz isn't interested in facts.


Not really. The only reason I responded to you at all is because your statement in post #166 is factually incorrect.


Oh dear. Is that the best you can do?