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Poland - A True Bastion and Defender of Free Speech


Poloniusz 4 | 365
11 Jan 2021 #1
A law is due to be passed in Poland that would fine Big Tech firms $2.2 million every time they unconstitutionally censor lawful speech online.

twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1348165323216859136

It's so inspiring and reassuring that in the current wave of neo-communist censorship it is Poland, one of the oldest democracies in the world, which is taking a stand against it.

Bravo Poland! Bravo PiS!
Novichok 1 | 4,217
11 Jan 2021 #2
The EU will get a fit. They will claim it's homophobic, xenophobic, sexist, and just not progressive enough to allow free speech that can hurt feelings.

Poloniusz, are you a writer? Also, did you live in the US?
Crow 150 | 9,549
11 Jan 2021 #3
Well, if we judge by the general standards of this forum, Poland IS a true bastion and defender of Free Speech. And what else could be possible. Spirit of Sarmatism still lives.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
11 Jan 2021 #4
A law is due to be passed in Poland

Hahaha. You need to understand the difference between the rantings of Ziobro and reality. He also promised "veto or death", then when the time come to leave the government, he backed down because he didn't have the courage to follow through with his words.

Don't worry though, we appreciate that the finer parts of Polish politics are lost to you.

It's also nice to see that you approve of government and legal interference in the operations of private businesses. How communist of you.
Velund 1 | 476
11 Jan 2021 #5
Good idea... If EU does not give money for nothing anymore, Poland will cover this gap in budget by issuing fines to high-tech companies for something that occured in unrelated jurisdictions... ;)
pawian 179 | 16,285
11 Jan 2021 #6
Unfortunately, it is fake news. No such law is being legislated right now.
Besides, it sounds a bit funny: why 2.2 million? Why every time?
RubasznyRumcajs 5 | 488
11 Jan 2021 #7
Still arresting people for offending the religious feelings of others?
OP Poloniusz 4 | 365
12 Jan 2021 #8
I'm not aware of any operating businesses public or private which aren't subject to laws, regulations, taxation, and fines for non-compliance.

So which private businesses are you referring to since virtually all big tech companies are publicly traded?

Perhaps you are thinking about your own failed online brassiere business that went, ahem, bust. Word has it you registered a website for it using your rundown flat address as the business premises but never registered the business itself with the Polish tax authorities. What was that all about anyway? Has your salary really been that low?
jon357 67 | 17,501
12 Jan 2021 #9
the rantings of Ziobro

Yet another silly claim he backed down on.

His grandstanding is comical. I wonder if he still has the briefcase and wet laptop.
johnny reb 31 | 5,726
12 Jan 2021 #10
but never registered the business itself with the Polish tax authorities.

Oh Boy, that could mean some serious jail time in the Poznan Hilton if the authorities found out.
pawian 179 | 16,285
12 Jan 2021 #11
Has your salary really been that low?

Instead of off-topic personal attacks on members who disagree with you, why don`t you tell us about spreading fake news about a law which :"is due to be passed" in Poland?? Nothing like that is currently discussed in the parliament.
Ironside 51 | 11,510
12 Jan 2021 #12
which is taking a stand against it.

eh! I would get too existed. That some glitch, in fact there lot less of free speech that it looks like. Yes still more than in other EU countries but not that much and its going down the hill in that regard.
OP Poloniusz 4 | 365
12 Jan 2021 #13
if the authorities found out.

He could easily clear the whole matter up by assuring the forum he was in compliance (or not). Even if it means admitting that he is a big hypocrite by cheerleading for big Government in everyone else's life but certainly not his own. Even if it means revealing that his own immigrant experience has been a long road of fits and starts borne out of desperation with only failure and mediocrity to show for it.

Instead he has been spending the whole day frantically replying to a wide variety of threads that died out over a decade ago in order to bury this one off the front page.

off-topic

My thread is about Poland's commitment to democracy and taking active measures to defend the free speech of the average Polish citizen against censorious radical and rabidly leftwing tech oligarchs.

Unsurprisingly your fellow two-faced lefttard began ranting against what he called "government and legal interference in the operations of private businesses."

Clearly this thread struck a personal nerve with him and his resentment was obvious.

You too have expressed a grudge on here against the government when it came to the salaries of school employees. How on earth do you expect your own fat salary to go even higher if the government doesn't take it from so-called private businesses? How can the government get revenue from tax dodgers and on top of it need to spend scare resources trying to retrieve what is due? Do you really think the government can enforce free speech laws without cost?
Ironside 51 | 11,510
12 Jan 2021 #14
I would get too existed.

Should be - I wouldn't get too excited.
Strzelec35 33 | 1,055
12 Jan 2021 #15
"What was that all about anyway? Has your salary really been that low?"

you dont have to register businesses with polish tax offices until they actually turn a profit. anyone can set up a website or an entity and call it a business. it isnt illegal. for instance if I have 0 clients or money for marketing and dont evne know if my skills or business idea is desired, why would I register it?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,332
12 Jan 2021 #16
Spirit of Sarmatism still lives.

Ja genau! There are people even here on this forum who would love to shut you up, Crowie, but you never do! You show 'em what free speech is about!

*fist bump*
OP Poloniusz 4 | 365
12 Jan 2021 #17
why would I register it?

That's for the other poster who resents the government in his life but not other people's lives to explain.
johnny reb 31 | 5,726
12 Jan 2021 #18
He could easily clear the whole matter up

He won't because he can't without incriminating himself into the hypocrite that he is.

frantically replying to a wide variety of threads that died out over a decade ago in order to bury this one

You noticed that too. lol
It is an old Harry and jon underhanded dirty trick that he has picked up on.
Such a defender of free speech should not try to censor our posts by burying them out of embarrassment to themselves.
Novichok 1 | 4,217
12 Jan 2021 #19
Crowie, but you never do! You show 'em what free speech is about!

As soon as I see Vatican or pope, I ignore the rest. Freedom to post comes with the freedom to ignore.
Crow 150 | 9,549
12 Jan 2021 #20
@Bratwurst Boy

Many years ago somebody here said - No pain, no gain. So I giving them.
Strzelec35 33 | 1,055
15 Jan 2021 #21
"twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1348165323216859136

It's so inspiring and reassuring that in the current wave of neo-communist censorship it is Poland, one of the oldest democracies in the world, which is taking a stand against it.

Bravo Poland! Bravo PiS"

The thing is there is a bunch of Polish female cards on twitter who got my two previous usernames suspended and one even threatened to sue me who are haters of Ukrainians Jews and right wing moron females. They are all hypocrites and will have you ban if you simply point out to them they should watch the movie first or terrible Ivan on Netflix before dismissing it and talking **** just because their ****** government pis tells them to hate it because it mentions polish death camps or has some wrong map in one tiny second of it. They bashed it without even watching it because they are retarded pis loving Polish cards who will get you banned for no reason and like little sissies threaten to sue you if you call them out or tell it how it is and they are all just hypocrites like Paulina and most females worldwide.

If this law passes does it mean I can openly criticise Anna Spysz and her work or claims on her website that she charged 50 dollars per hour consulting fees to startups and barely mentioning she co wrote not wrote one book and being hired as a developer making the big bucks despite only having a degree in creative writing a masters in European studies in Poland (another degree that has nothing to do with what her work is or claims charging startups) and only taking one online course or boot camp in coding which she makes the big bucks in while passively aggressively putting me down despite me being superior to her and a much better writer on tech in every way (but her making the big bucks)? I mean she is a public person since she uses her full name on twitter so how could she claim harassment for me simply stating my opinion on her work and boot camp she took to get that job and the fact she only got it due to feminism in west and liberalism and her being a female unlike me? Or if twitter bans me again can I sue twitter this time for simply being truthful about Anna spays and her bs claims?
mafketis 29 | 9,952
15 Aug 2021 #22
Merged:

The Polish Minister of Education wants university lecturer fired for twitter comments



Another day another step by PiS back to the PRL.

In Poznań, a professor of German at Adam Mickiewicz University, made several unflattering tweets about Paweł Kukiz after his vote in favor of government media capture.

He later deleted one post (referring to Kukiz as 'gnida' (.... louse?) for being too emotional.

On Friday minister of Education Przemysław Czarnek said: "Ten naukowiec, który obrzydliwie wyrażał się na temat posła Pawła Kukiza, z jednego z ważnych miast w Polsce, nie będzie na tej uczelni pracował" (That academic, who so disgustingly expressed himself regarding MP Pawłe Kukiz, from of the more important cities in Poland, will not work at that institution)

The university's first response was that there are no grounds to terminate the employment of the professor.

The Kicker? The account has always been anonymous and only those allowed by the account holder can see the tweets....

So, the government is monitoring twitter for critical comments? Why would they do that?

Interestingly the tweets don't sound any worse than thousands and thousands of others after the vote to censor TVN, so why was it singled out?

Are academics being given a message (Stop criticizing the government.... or else)?

onet.pl/informacje/onetpoznan/minister-edukacji-zwolni-wykladowce-za-jego-wpisy-nt-kukiza-reakcja-wykladowcy/lw23ps5,79cfc278
Alien 2 | 223
15 Aug 2021 #23
Yes it is not fine to fire a professor but it is also in USA possible, more than you can imagine and I am not a friend of PiS Gov.
Strzelec35 33 | 1,055
16 Aug 2021 #24
in usa everything is possible. legally speaking and in lawyer jargon. lawyers, police and lawyer's henchmen of the courts as well as judges and das rule everything every town from small provinces to big cities. youre talking about a culture of suing people for fake happenings and where customers come first unlike poland where you dont have to ask or say please when ordering a coffee or a beer. unlike poland.


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