The ruling party in Poland tries to take American owned TV news station off the air

Yep - i've noticted how much my shopping bill has gone up. It's astonishing. I noticed it first within a few weeks of the pandemic starting. Some items have increased 25% including fresh local produce.

Well in the EU Poland can't limit "foreign" capital in the media. If the US sold its shares to a German company (absolutely within the settings of this new law) would PiS say "Great! Mission Accomplished!"

This is about trying to reinstall a PRL style media where "journalists" do PR for the ruling party and repeat government talking points...

Exactly, you don't know. Millionaires maybe aren't taking it, but I wouldn't be surprised if many people from the middle class were taking it. And, anyway, the government should be making good laws and not pass bad laws and then hope that people won't take advantage of those bad laws. It's not the only example of PiS passing a law first and thinking later.


I see you don't comprehend what it's all about.


The "Lex TVN" bill doesn't prohibit foreign capital in general owning mass media in Poland. It will prohibit only companies from outside of the EU from owning them. German companies, for example, can still own Polish media, as maf pointed out. So this law isn't about that - it's about shutting up TVN.


Someone too smart, decent and patriotic for you to understand?


Ironside doesn't know that, because he doesn't live here and so he doesn't care.

would you prefer the previous state when billions of PLN were extorted from the budget by VAT fraud mafias? I prefer where the money is given out to people as 500+

@gumishu, I have a bigger problem with other things that PiS has done and is still doing than how indiscriminate the 500plus is - it's you guys who are so hell-bent on taking this thread off topic and discussing 500plus (even though there are other threads for that) instead of "Lex TVN" bill (this is what this thread is all about - the "Lex TVN" bill, remember?).

In todays' hilarity.... before redoing the vote (reasumpcja) Marshall of the Sejm Elżbieta Witek claimed that she had consulted with 5 constitutionalists (this has turned into 'lawyers' in the media).

Okay, a couple of opposition MPs said... can you name them?

Those closest to an answer are opinions on an unrelated case from 2018 which did not in fact result in a re-vote....

PiS making up any kind of crap to do what they want in the proud traditions of the PRL... the ruling party doesn't need law... it's word is the law.

onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/elzbieta-witek-pokazala-ekspertyzy-w-sprawie-reasumpcji-komentarze-w-sieci/fe1p6lc,79cfc278

The chairman of PiS, Jarosław Kaczyński, seems to be like the First Secretary of the Commie Party in former times in Poland.

There are lots of old Dziennik TV programs on youtube, I'm waiting for some enterprising Polonist grad student to compare the style and subject matter to news on Kurski TVPiS (or I would if Polish studies paid any attention to the modern world....)

You don't either. If we are not talking about millionaires who are you talking about? What middle class? You mean salary men who are working in the office, mostly paid by the state? They are not a middle class.

In Poland 500plus is a strange way of a tax rebate.. Strange because it is more costly to do that this way but hey gov needs to show people they care and that cost money.


Poland can, EU or not, Germany can do it so can Poland. That was not really the main aim of PiS I agree but the idea is sound.

At the very least there is no reason to cheer for some shady company that owns a TV station in Poland. That kind of investment is or should not be welcome regardless.


by half for her own good?
By the way Ironsides know, we are not living in 19th century for that to be a secret. By the way food price doesn't go up only in Poland. In Poland it food was crazily cheap till now. On the other hand wages go up too.

I hope farmers will take advantage of the situation, there is a lot of potential..

Well, I don't know about that - check this out:

youtu.be/3aVPTBcixhE

Then try to do it without retro-active legislation, third world parliamentary hijinx and without pissing off a key ally.... simple for reasonable people, yet impossible for JK!

And now Discovery has been awarded a Dutch license and can continue to broadcast in Poland. Ways around the Polish law through the EU may just see more "press" entering the market before elections. This is exactly why PiS should have been smarter. Now anyone can enter the Polish market through another EU country, and there is nothing they can do. Controlling media, and the attempt could prove to be the final straw for PiS.

Well, Gavrilo broken chains of Poland and now urge for freedom only raise there. Nothing can stop it. Nothing.

See, legends knew truth. Legends of Sarmatians.

Good. Imagine the outcry by the POrks if PiS had just made 500+ for the poor. All that buying stupid voters amplified by 500x. Poland has not much experience with social payments and broad community policies since fall of communism. The only way PiS could implement child support without a massive backlash was by making it universal. Now I agree with you somewhat that there is a case for introducing means testing if the money is redirected to subsidized childcare and after school care for instance.

And this is how things function in a "real democracy" where several TV networks decided to take president Donald Trump in the middle of his speech off the air because they decided he was lying? Not to mention the censorship by the social media networks such as Twitter which labels RT as a "state affiliated media" and warns its users that any news from it should be taken with a pinch of salt, while at the same time for example BBC is not labelled as a "state affiliated media".

twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/1428402957452595200

thehill.com/policy/technology/568388-serbia-president-dares-twitter-to-delete-his-account?amp#click=t.co/2XWzcmJz9k

I do not respond to arguments of the type: А у вас негров линчуют* and neither should anyone else.

If you support the return of a neo-PRL media in Poland then make the positive case for it. Don't drag other irrelevant issues into it....

*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

That would be because The BBC is not state affiliated........... unlike RT.

hey polamkrakow and mafketis you loving your vile propaganda outfit tvn24 now that they are attacking Poland for protecting it's borders and allowing the scumbag fransyniuk to call polish soldiers dogs and lowest of the low without even a mild challenge? TVN24 is nothing but psychological warfare against the polish people, but some people seem to get off on that...

@amiga500
Please point a specific real instance where this happened. If its the EU saying Poland should take immigrants, then thats the EU and TVN is simply reporting. Personally I hope all the middle eastern islam extremist blow each other up before they get here.

@polamkrakow
It happened on fakty po faktach, the host spent the whole interview agreeing with Fransyniuk. wirtualnemedia.pl/artykul/wladyslaw-frasyniuk-tvn24-zolnierze-straz-graniczna-grzegorz-kajdanowicz

As much as it may distress you, there is freedom of speech in Poland.

Would you prefer a more Belarusian-style system? The situation is pretty bad (weather has not been conducive to camping outdoors. The migrants in question are being prevented from turning back by Lukashenka's thugs.

Probably the only thing that can be done is secure the border which may involve letting in some caught in the middle (would you prefer they die of exposure?).

It's not like they're likely to stay in Poland...

what would be worse for them to go to belarussia and live there or stay in afghanistan though?

" It's not like they're likely to stay in Poland..."

who the hell wants to live in third world country of poland? beside you my friend lol?

There is freedom of speech and there are sacred cows. For instance you wouldn't use the freedom of speech defence if someone did a sh*t on the american flag or was mouthing obscenities during the american national anthem. Attacking Polish solders in this despicable manner, who are defending poland with their lives for a meager slalary falls into the same category in my humble opinion.Are you happy to have an ex-politician calling american soldiers dogs and human garbage on Fox or CNN in the name of free speech? Besides the statement is one thing, the host not saying anything is another and illustrates TVN24's Anti-Polish mission perfectly.

yes I would, if you don't protect speech you find abhorrent then you're not in favor of freedom of expression but are still stuck in the PRL mentally


of course, I support freedom of expression I'm not a neo-PRL-ite

And what is your proposal for the border at the moment? If people start dying it's gonna be a lot worse for Poland's standing.....

" For instance you wouldn't use the freedom of speech defence if someone did a sh*t on the american flag"

i would. i definitley would after what they did to me and what i experienced there.

That's good. Next time I am in Warsaw I will drop in and call your wife a nasty slut who f*cks dogs and worse, strzelec, in the name of freedom of expression and we will see how long your Voltaire principles last.. !


If you think Poland is not supplying the immigrants with food and sleeping bags unofficially then u have been watching too much TVN24. Funny how the women and children disapeared after 48 hours i guess they died lol? For now the government is doing the right thing. Zapad exercises have started, we need to stand firm.

Why should I care what someone who supports neo-PRL policies thinks?

For what it's worth they issued statement it was wrong.

Did Frasyniuk have the right to say that? Yes. Was it stupid and disgusting? Yes. Was the host stupid for not reacting? Yes. That doesn't mean though that it's a basis for a fight against TVN

Somehow I didn't see the same outrage from you when that producer was fired for not blacking out rainbow flag of a singer? Someone actually lost their job there.


I never understood how people can get offended just like that?

@amiga500
Really the American flag? No one really gaf about the flag outside of the US. No one really cares about the US outside the US anymore. Take a dump on the flag, say what ever you want, and most people will say its your right. Patriotism is not in a symbol made of cloth, or stupid words.

He wasn't fired, I bet he still has his job, you know why, because he would have been a martyr on tvn24 for days on end. I put Novi in his place on that or similar thread when he said if the lgbt were wiped out there would be no loss to the world. That spells out my views clearly, i did not condem tvp because enough people were doing it, and I know TVN24 would cut away to black if some polish patriot made a political statement about Doomed Soldiers or EU demagoguery instead of just singing. Besides that Slovakian hippie could have gone to the trouble of learning 6 words in polish to make her political statement.! Virtue signalling laziness


Well now you've backed yourself in a rhetorical corner maf, either u are a spineless cuck , or more likely you are unwilling to admit that all ideals have breaking points, and someone talking to your wife like that deserves a few smacks in the head followed by a frying pan or golf club, freedom of expression principles be dammed. You know sometimes it's better to put the revolver away from your forehead and admit defeat than pull the trigger and claim victory posthumously