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Roma community feels discriminated in Poland


kaprys 3 | 2,359
11 May 2018 #31
@delphiandomine
I don't know anything about the Czech Roma but I've only been to Prague and a small town whose name I can't even remember. I can't remember coming across any Gypsies communities there. Just like any other places I have visited in Europe - but most of them were tourist destinations anyway. I came across some Gypsies in Paris underground and London soon after Romania had joined the UK.

But again, you'd have to live with them to get to know their customs well.
What I find quite disturbing (though I haven't seen it for years) is when you see women begging for money and there is often a child with them. And most of the time the kid is asleep - some claim these kids are drugged. It might be a prejudice, though. I hope so.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
11 May 2018 #32
I can't remember coming across any Gypsies communities there.

There's quite a few notorious ones, but this is the worst one, possibly in the whole of Europe google.com/maps/@48.696278,21.2211864,3a,75y,5.28h,92.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sV5qlVTOJvFhU_v3_hY7gRQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656[/url] - it's Lunik IX in Kosice. I've been nearby (but not into it) and I couldn't believe how bad it looked from a distance.

There's another bad slum here in Usti nad Labem - google.com/maps/@50.6554091,13.9981381,3a,75y,101.41h,91.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgfsN-Xwp6mePaEbprTVfuw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656[/url]

I wish I had answers to this, but as the Slovaks pointed out, they've been trying since 1945 to solve the problem and they don't have any answers, so there's definitely no way that Western Europeans will have better ones. Interestingly enough, I've been to other places in Eastern Slovakia, and in a town called Svidnik, the town is very mixed - there are Slovaks, Ruthenians / Rusyns and Roma all living side by side, and they don't have large social problems and the Roma there seem to be very well integrated.

And most of the time the kid is asleep - some claim these kids are drugged.

I think there might be some truth to it, sad as it is.
mafketis 23 | 8,381
11 May 2018 #33
They were pretty serious about their traditions, though. No premarital sex,

Some Gypsy groups classify sex within the group and with non-gypsies for money as two completely separate activities...

the Polish Roma essentially ignored them

they also largely ignore each other... I saw an interview with a Poznan gypsy who said there were three or four branches in the city with almost nothing to do with each other...
kondzior 10 | 1,021
12 May 2018 #34
It dawned on me that refugees are the new Gypsies for these NGOs dispersing tolerance everywhere like anthrax. The new victim class.

Overall I found that the more experience people had with gypsies, the less tolerant they are. Worst are do-gooders from big cities.
jon357 63 | 15,214
12 May 2018 #35
Gypsies are nomads. Or at least they were.

The nature of the nation state as a legal/sociocultural entity will doubtless continue to evolve; nomads like the Roma and the Touareg as well as settled but stateless people like the Kurds may well achieve one day a different, non-territorial nation with all the rights and abilities of any other type of state.

I hope this will one day happen.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
12 May 2018 #36
There's a blueprint with the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, and I think you're right, it's certainly a good idea and should be expanded.
pawian 170 | 11,329
8 Mar 2020 #37
Roma community feels discriminated in Poland

Polish discrimination of Roma gypsy citizens is caress compared to what they get in Slovakia or Romania.

errc.org/news/un-body-finds-racism-pervasive-in-slovakia
Miloslaw 7 | 3,260
8 Mar 2020 #38
Very true.
Poles may not be overly keen on Roma people (Who is?), but they do not target and abuse them like some countries do.
Cargo pants 2 | 472
9 Mar 2020 #39
Some Gypsy groups classify sex within the group and with non-gypsies for money as two completely separate activities..

Only a person from that community would know all that.
jon357 63 | 15,214
9 Mar 2020 #40
they do not target and abuse them like some countries do.

This is true. There are several longstanding Roma groups here.


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