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Poland is being robbed - Kukiz


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
20 Jun 2015 #1
At the grand opening of a new Ciechan brewery in Kraków, political hopeful and rock musician Paweł Kukiz addressed a crowd of fans and and gave a concert. "Poland is being robbed. That is why we must fight for single-mandate election districts," he said. Kukiz sang an anti-roundtable remake of an anti-Nazi song about the 1939 invasion of Poland. It started with the words: "On the 4th of June one memorable year, the roundtable gang assembled here." He also sang "I'm a Silesian" and about how he evaded conscription (draft dodging) and declared he was a "mohair". That was a reference to Tusk's derisive remark about mohair-beret-wearing grannies who listen to Radio Maryja.

krakow.gazeta.pl/krakow/1,44425,18175208,Otwarcie_browaru__Kukiz__Zawisza_i_wlasciciel_Ciechana.html#ixzz3dZyU6kVZ
teargas - | 71
20 Jun 2015 #2
What is strange is that he seems to be trying to take over PiS rather than PO.

Can you make sense of it, Polonius? Why is he trying to appeal so much to traditional PiS voters?
Harry
20 Jun 2015 #3
Kukiz sang an anti-roundtable remake of an anti-Nazi song

An interesting choice to play at a brewery owned by somebody whose politics aren't far off those of the Nazis.
teargas - | 71
20 Jun 2015 #4
Yes, he seems to be lurching more and more to the right.

Putting himself firmly in the moherowe berety camp won't win him any votes, but he will certainly lose plenty.
Harry
20 Jun 2015 #5
Yes, he seems to be lurching more and more to the right.

It's more that he's exposing himself more and more as a clueless moron every time he opens his mouth :D

Putting himself firmly in the moherowe berety camp won't win him any votes, but he will certainly lose plenty.

Even better, if he takes votes from PIS, he reduces the number of seats they get.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
20 Jun 2015 #6
he's exposing himself more and more

Funny thing, I kind of initially dimissed him as a rock musician figuring he'd be espousing anarcho-decadent views. Now it turns out that he's come round, is a good family man and has divested himself of his shamelss irrreligious youth and anticlericalism. He also seems to have seen through the PZPR-Michnikite (roundtable) pact with Wałęsa as the figleaf in the background.
Harry
20 Jun 2015 #7
has divested himself of his shamelss irrreligious youth and anticlericalism.

Unquestioning support for the RCC is bound to be a massive vote winner, isn't it.

He also seems to have seen through the PZPR-Michnikite (roundtable) pact with Wałęsa as the figleaf in the background.

Again, that stance is certain to attract a vast number of voters, and definitely ones who would otherwise have supported PO.
weeg
20 Jun 2015 #8
He's power hungry.

Thinking he wouldn't get sufficent votes under PR to get a seat, he suggested a first past the post system. Under this he could get power based on his fame and personality in a single district.

However, to his surprise he's now polling 20%. Unfortunately for him, under First Post the Post, that will get him maybe 3-5% of the seats. PiS with 34% of the vote will get 50-60% of the seats.

Kukiz will be utterly irrelevant with 20% of the vote. So he needs to steal votes from the easiest target, PiS, whose leadership is unremarkable and have acceptable politics.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
20 Jun 2015 #9
bound to be a massive vote winner

It is in good Catholic Poland. Some PO misfits may finally see the error of their ways, turn their backs on all the cosmopolitan crap and return to the patriotic Polish fold.

And not to worry! You won't get expelled when true Poles come to the helm. They are very tolerant.
teargas - | 71
20 Jun 2015 #10
Kukiz will be utterly irrelevant with 20% of the vote. So he needs to steal votes from the easiest target, PiS, whose leadership is unremarkable and have acceptable politics.

They are already fighting back. I've noticed that the PiS media is linking Kukiz with PO and suggesting that it's some sort of conspiracy theory to appeal to the paranoid to replace PO with Kukiz.

If the JOW referendum succeeds, then the election will be a bitter fight to the death between PO and PiS if the law is changed for the election. He could well be in the paradoxical situation of encouraging people to vote no as his only hope of winning more than 2-3 seats would come from proportional representation.

What is most interesting for You is that Kukiz is the only one really campaigning right now. Yet his support is dropping.

Yes, it is hilarious that he declared himself to be with the berety.
jon357 67 | 16,902
20 Jun 2015 #11
He always was a joke candidate - now he's confirming it.

Poland isn't Catholic, as is shown by the fact that the vast majority of Poles don't do the very minimum required by the Catholic church from Catholics. The small minority that do do the minimum are solidly behind PIS, so by appealing to them, all the clown is doing is trying to take votes from PIS and actually driving away the voters he could attract from middle parties. All excellent stuff.

Exactly. The more he appeals to Poland B the better.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
20 Jun 2015 #12
berety.

The berety thing totally exposed shifty-eyed Don for the insensitive, power-hungry bastard he really is.
Millions of Poles were incensed by his derisive remarks towards one of hte country's major assets:
THE POLISH BABCIA!
Gosc123456
20 Jun 2015 #13
According to today's GW, he's to have a concert in Bemowo (a neighborhood in Warsaw) that would cost ... 76,000 ZL to taxpayers. He claism to be anti system but he loves money brought by the system ;)

May he continue so people see what kind of jerk he is!
jon357 67 | 16,902
20 Jun 2015 #14
May he continue so people see what kind of jerk he is!

I think people already have, but in a land where people have voted for Lepper, Giertych, Macierewcz, Bubel etc, do some of the voters actually care?

THE POLISH BABCIA!

No different from any other poorly educated, post-menopausal, socially-inhibited member of the less fortunate classes.

Don for the insensitive, power-hungry bastard he really is.

Aside from that description of him being untrue, you do realise that phrase was being used by

Millions of Poles

long before he ever said it.

Yes, it is hilarious that he declared himself to be with the berety.

More comedy. That phrase came about as a term of derision during the short-lived PiSuarz coalition. Kukiz is going to be one to watch for more of the same in the months ahead.

Yes, he seems to be lurching more and more to the right.

He always was really, if you look at issues he's supported in the past. Certainly no man of the people. A shame he went to a Ciechan factory and associated with Zawisza, however if it aligns him with the right and takes votes from the PiSuarzy all the better.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
20 Jun 2015 #15
For me he is another Tyminski, too bad he cannot be deported to Canada. I yet have to hear his program. But for sure he eats into the PIS electorate, the same brainless, education-less Polonia crowd. And to testify to his hypocrisy - He performed for 76.000 PLN "in defence of democracy in Bemowo", arguably the most corrupt gmina in Warsaw (even PO and PIS agree on this) He could do it for free perhaps?
Polsyr 6 | 769
20 Jun 2015 #16
Sobieski hit the nail on the head with every word.
jon357 67 | 16,902
20 Jun 2015 #17
For me he is another Tyminski, too bad he cannot be deported to Canada.

Or can't vanish so easily when the inevitable scandal comes.

But for sure he eats into the PIS electorate, the same brainless, education-less

Exactly. This could of course be a cunning plan on the part of Kukiz - but I doubt it. Just another Lepper/Bubel.

You have described perfectly majority of Anglophone posters based in Poland and contributing to this site, including yourself.

Not very articulate or intelligent of you, so par for the course for yourself and most of the (fortunately dwindling) extremists in PL.
Harry
20 Jun 2015 #18
But for sure he eats into the PIS electorate, the same brainless, education-less Polonia crowd.

Which is a very good thing. I'll happily support any politician who makes sure that PIS get nowhere near forming the next government.

Exactly. This could of course be a cunning plan on the part of Kukiz - but I doubt it. Just another Lepper/Bubel.

It's going to be interesting to see how PIS react to him appealing to their natural voters. Hopefully they'll lurch even further away from the middle ground where elections are won and lost, even more towards the far left economically and the far right socially.
Gosc123456
20 Jun 2015 #19
The problem is that Kukiz has "the calendar in his favor". Kukiz does not have time to show that he is a jerk. If the parliamentary elections were to be held in one year for instance, it would have plenty of time to show who he is and to disappear from the political scene.

I believe that his concert in Bemowo that cost 76,000zl to tax payers shall hurt him.
jon357 67 | 16,902
25 Jun 2015 #20
He's actually come up with some sort of a 'manifesto':

2000zl more per month for everyone
Retirement at 50 for women, 55 for men
3 years maternity leave for women

You couldn't make it up!
Dougpol1 32 | 2,708
25 Jun 2015 #21
He's actually come up with some sort of a 'manifesto':

That's not a manifesto. That's the ramblings of a previously unheard of "rock" singer, who doesn't know diddly-squat about basic economics.

So it's a two horse race then. Good. A straight choice between market forces and centralised interference in the economy.

Let's have it!
InPolska 11 | 1,821
25 Jun 2015 #22
@Jon: "lol"! This guy (Kukiz, not Jon ;)) is really sick in his head. I cannot believe some people are going to "buy that". Fortunately this guy is going down very quickly and after this summer, he'll be forgotten...


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