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What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus?


Ironside  50 | 12447
9 Jan 2024   #1681
A Belarusian woman has been arrested

Why would they arrest her, she wasn't that harmful to Polish interests. Should be put under surveillance that could lead to something substantial in the future.
Mr Grunwald  33 | 2138
9 Jan 2024   #1682
@Ironside
ABW probably wanting to make it harder for Tusk to change too much with them cause they are: " Working so hard and effective in finding threats from foreign states! Just ask the media" kind of gimmick.

Wouldn't be surprised if more and more Polish institutions gonna be working extremely hard suddenly and be very friendly with every journalist in Poland and showing best possible results everywhere they can find it. Huge opportunity to improve peoples careers if they aid current managers or bosses in making them stay in their positions with TVP as horror and nightmare example
Paulina  16 | 4349
9 Jan 2024   #1683
Why would they arrest her

So her spying wouldn't be hurting the people she was spying on any longer?

Should be put under surveillance that could lead to something substantial in the future.

We don't know how long she was under surveillance and whether there was any hope for getting anything more out of this in the future.
Ironside  50 | 12447
9 Jan 2024   #1684
ABW probably wants to make it harder for Tusk to change too much with them

There is something in what you saying. It's probably right.
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So her spying wouldn't be hurting the people she was spying on any longer?

Are we running A Club of the Good Samaritan or a Counter-Spy Agency?
Paulina  16 | 4349
9 Jan 2024   #1685
@Ironside, you and me aren't running anything, so maybe leave it to professionals :)
Ironside  50 | 12447
9 Jan 2024   #1686
you and me aren't r

The public should know and support the premises on which government agencies are supposed to act. Not some sentimentalism but pragmatism should be a guide for ABW.
Paulina  16 | 4349
9 Jan 2024   #1687
Not some sentimentalism but pragmatism

You sound like a RuSSian. 🤢

the premises on which government agencies are supposed to act

ABW did their job, which is, among others, finding and arresting spies. You don't know anything about this case, so I don't understand how you can comment on it with such arrogance. 🤨
Ironside  50 | 12447
9 Jan 2024   #1688
You sound like a Russian.

No, wonder that politicians of other nations or even the public take Poles for fools or brazen incompetent hypocrites, the public in Poland is so naive and their expectations are based on sentiment rather than on hard facts.

You don't need to look further than the support of Ukrianie all that sentiment backlash and all the drama, not only by the public but by politicians set to exploit it but swept by the moment participating in the emotional show.

I was just shocked.
Another reason /I didn't vote for PiS.
You sound naive or dumb take your pick. lol!
pawian  221 | 25821
1 Mar 2024   #1689
Protecting the country against Putin and Lukashenka` s guests isn`t barbarity, it is defence. Simple.

Some leftists in Poland complain that Tusk`s gov`s performance at the border is extremely disappointing coz the old policy of pushing back migrants brought by Belarus and Russia`s regimes is still continued. Those leftists have counted on open borders after the elections. Really mad. :(:(:(:(

We have no choice. If we let in 10.000, next year the regimes will bring 100.000.

Exactly. Anybody who demands free entry at the border is out of their mind.
Support our border protectors!
pawian  221 | 25821
1 Mar 2024   #1690
Some leftists in Poland complain that Tusk`s gov`s performance at the border is extremely disappointing

Activists helping refugees on the Polish-Belarusian border are dissatisfied with the activities of the services. They complain, among others: on the so-called pushbacks, i.e. pushing people who were already on Polish territory back to Belarus. Another problem is the brutality of the Border Guard.

- Those in power think that if they slightly change the language and replace "deportations" with "returns", everything will change, but it doesn't work like that. There's the same crap underneath that powder. There remains the problem of pushbacks and brutal violence at the border. Other words do not change this reality, they only distort it. The new government's announcements are nothing more than a continuation of PiS policy, says Aleksandra Chrzanowska from the Legal Intervention Association and the Granica Group in an interview with Onet.

Prime Minister Donald Tusk recently spoke at a meeting in MorÄ…g about the situation on the border. He assured that he cares about the humane treatment of migrants, but Polish territory is to be tightly protected.

- My task is to make sure pushbacks are not needed at all. They are illegal from the point of view of international law, but I will not make any decision that will make our border less tight than it is now - He added that it is not tight, but constantly strengthened. - This is a matter of the survival of our Western civilization. If we are open to all forms of migration without any control, our world will collapse. The state is responsible for guarding its border, and my government is responsible for ensuring that it is consistent with humanitarian principles, concluded the politician.

Ironside  50 | 12447
2 Mar 2024   #1691
Activists helping refugees on the Polish-Belarusian border

Should be put in jail. Jail time for people working for Putin and against Poland.
Novichok  5 | 8418
2 Mar 2024   #1692
You sound like a RuSSian.

You write like a Russia-hating moron.
pawian  221 | 25821
2 Mar 2024   #1693
Should be put in jail

Under what article??? Helping people in need isn`t punishable in Poland. :):)
Ironside  50 | 12447
2 Mar 2024   #1694
Under what article???

art. 18 § 3 kk
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Helping people in need isn`t punishable in Poland.

but rendering criminal assistance is!
pawian  221 | 25821
30 May 2024   #1695
European Union countries made the final decision on Thursday to impose higher customs duties on cereals, oilseeds and related products imported from Russia and Belarus. Higher customs duties are intended to stop grain imports from these countries to the EU.
Alien  25 | 5979
30 May 2024   #1696
final decision o

Well, that's good.
pawian  221 | 25821
30 May 2024   #1697
Step by step, we are educating Lukashenka that bringing illegal immigrants to the Polish border is unprofitable in the long term.
Poland and EU also needs to ban the import of chemicals from Belarus. And they are finished.
Ironside  50 | 12447
31 May 2024   #1698
we are educating Lukashenka

You should go and shoot some of them trying to cross the border that would send the message.
pawian  221 | 25821
31 May 2024   #1699
You should go and shoot some of them

Why me?? Am I a rabid nationalist or another rightist?? No. You can happily do it coz you support nationalists and regularly mention hanging people. .
Ironside  50 | 12447
31 May 2024   #1700
Why me??

you are a leftie you have no conscience nor morals, it is as easy for you as pie, and you support killing babies - human life for you is a question of semantics. But then you are a coward so you wouldn't put yourself out there if you could help.
pawian  221 | 25821
31 May 2024   #1701
it is as easy for you as pie

Nope. Now you are mistaking me with yourself. I have never mentioned killing my political opponents, while you have done it several times in the forum, including killing me.

You, nationalists, thrive on assassination, it is your fave way of dealing with guys who don`t share your views. Didn`t you kill the first President of Poland in 1922 because he was voted into his position by Jewish minority which you hate??? Yes, you did.

Most nationalists are murderers by nature and so are you. Go to the border and do what you are dreaming of.
Ironside  50 | 12447
1 Jun 2024   #1702
I have never mentioned killing

You want to kill unborn babies. That is all anyone needs to know. All the rest of your nonsense is just rubbish.
pawian  221 | 25821
1 Jun 2024   #1703
You want

Typical lies by a rabid nationalist. :):):
Ironside  50 | 12447
1 Jun 2024   #1704
rabid

you are obsessing about rabies because you already have them. You have been bitten by someone dead, but it is an adequate comparison to being bitten by a zombie, and that eats your brain out, the so-called Hegelian bite.
pawian  221 | 25821
1 Jun 2024   #1705
bitten by someone dead,

No, you got it wrong again - I was beaten dead but escaped and quickly resurrected. :):):)
mafketis  38 | 11106
6 Jun 2024   #1706
Today two big new stories regarding weaponized migrants on the Belarusian border.....

First - a couple of Polish soldiers facing aggressive migrants throwing rocks and spears at them fired warning shots into the ground and over their heads.... they were arrested by Military Police and are being prosecuted and most soldiers are furious about it.

Second - a Polish soldier stabbed by an aggressive migrant trying to enter Polish territory illegally has died....

This is very bad timing for those who make excuses for aggressive weaponized migrants.....

Polish soldiers _must_ be allowed to use force against violent migrants.
Ironside  50 | 12447
6 Jun 2024   #1707
Third top politicians in the government knew about it for over a week but they pretended they knew nothing. .
Paulina  16 | 4349
6 Jun 2024   #1708
a couple of Polish soldiers facing aggressive migrants throwing rocks and spears at them fired warning shots into the ground and over their heads.... they were arrested by Military Police and are being prosecuted

Apparently the problem is that they kept firing at them through the fence even after the migrants went back to the Belarusian side of the border - it was the Polish Border Guard that reported this to the Military Police:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/strzelali-nawet-przez-plot-biegly-uznal-zachowanie-zolnierzy-za-niewlasciwe-ujawniamy-nowe-informacje-7035522557139712a

Second - a Polish soldier stabbed by an aggressive migrant trying to enter Polish territory illegally has died....

Even after he was stabbed the migrants were attacking him and the female Border Guard who was giving him first aid.

At another time a soldier was also stabbed with a makeshift spear:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/najgoretszy-odcinek-granicy-z-bialorusia-co-noc-slychac-te-odglosy-7032431238011584a

Polish soldiers _must_ be allowed to use force against violent migrants.

I agree.
Ironside  50 | 12447
6 Jun 2024   #1709
Polish soldiers _must_ be allowed to use force against violent migrants.

They should use some machine guns against them. I mean seriously most of the governments that cry about the welfare of those criminals have endorsed and condoned everything that goes on in Gaza, Hypocrisy, and double standards major.
Paulina  16 | 4349
6 Jun 2024   #1710
At another time a soldier was also stabbed with a makeshift spear:

It was a border guard, sorry.

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