What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus?

So, you believe that he won 80% of the vote? There's a word for people that believe that..... S_CK_R (you can supply the vowels).

No, I don't. Just as don't believe that Biden won by 20 million votes, either. Why would anyone care, though?

It is what it is and the only question for the moment is how the EU survives the multi-pronged assault from the sh*itholes. So far the sh*itholes win.

The cause of the existence of refugees is the USA and NATO. THEY are obliged to take care of the refugees, in proportion to their participation in the CAUSE. THE CAUSE is first TREATED.

Iraqi oil is good for them, but Iraqis are not, huh?

Amen. Since NATO is the US, it's simply the US and how they build nations. The rest are metoos on the American military welfare.

Does NATO even know why it exists today?

youtu.be/fDg0HSLZoD0

Why does the U.S. need a major war in Europe

It's time for people like Paulina and Bratwurst Boy to get red pilled.

How about time for people like you to have lobotomy in order to donate your brain to those in bigger need than you who aren`t using it at all. :):):)

I doubt they'd find much of one.

The root of the Belarus border situation is clear. It is Putain and his puppet Lukashenka. The refugees are pawns, brought there by Lukashenka's direct invitation, and Poland has so far done the best it can in a difficult and changing situation.

Next, Putain will be making trouble in Ukraine; the current situation is just a taster.

The EU needs to run an experiment with imposing new acute sanctions to see if they can eventually teach the dictators a lesson. Who knows??? :):)

Other than that, can your please update me on the conflicts between Belarus and Poland? I am not asking about personal and moral opinions and my question is 100% honest.

They probably will, however I doubt they want to show their cards too early, especially as this comes at the same time as the troop build up near the Donetsk border.


It's best to look at media reports; here in Poland people are watching the situation escalate and it changes daily.

Basically though, Belarus has enabled thousands of refugees, mostly from Iraqi Kurdistan to enter Belarus with the intention that they will cross into the EU via Poland or Lithuania. They sell a package for about 8000 USD (a vast amount for the people who come) and take them to the border. Film footage suggests that the Belarussians are trying to provoke the Polish border guards into crossing some sort of line. So far, they haven't, however the flow of people to the border is not decreasing.

In 2020 there was a Belarusian presidential election. Lukashenka claimed about 80% of the vote after excluding almost all rivals from running against him. No one believes this number. The thing is, he might have actually won. His support (as far as can be determined) was around 40%. Belarus has a first past the post system so he didn't need 50% + 1 to win (as in Poland) just more than any other candidate. Again, he might have actually gotten that. We'll never know.

For whatever reason he wanted 80% which was clearly fiction and this upset a large enough percentage of the population that protests began. Originally among the younger and better education but also among traditional parts of the electorate he could can on support from. He declared that protesting against him was a crime.

Poland supported the protestors (and had previously given dissidents against him international protection).

Eventually Lukashenka was able to shore up support from the military and police who turned against the civilians and lots of well educated young people (of the type that any sane country wants and needs) have been imprisoned. Lots have also fled to Poland.

Also, Poland granted asylum to an olympic athlete who didn't want to return to Belarus (she had said things that could be seen as critical of Lukashenka's government which is a de facto crime in modern Belarus).

The roots basically go back to the 1990s when Belarus elected Lukashenka who rather than pursue democracy and development turned back the clock to recreate a Soviet style government complete with a return to the Soviet era Byelorussian flag and has all but banned the Belarusian language in favor of Russian. Poland has funded media in Belarusian (sensing that strengthening the Ukrainian and Belarusian languages weakens Moscow's soft power in the region - results have not been encouraging.

Meanwhile in the European Parliament...

"We are using barbed wire against human beings. Do we have to see people freezing in Polish forests as a weapon?" - asks Ska Keller, representative of German Green Party;

"My God, where am I? Polish government mustn't used the rhetorics of calling refugees a "weapon". What an ultranationalism! It's a shame! Be ashamed of yourselves!", says leftist deputee Cornelia Ernst.

Sometimes I understand Novichok's contempt for some of the western politicians. Absolutely despicable. *rolls eyes*

Just to add. Sanctions from EU member states and others were imposed when he forced a plane carrying a well-known political dissident to land in Belarus and arrested/imprisoned him. Lukashenka wants these sanctions to stop.


To quote one of the last surviving UK veterans of WWI: "it's better to talk and talk before a conflict, because people will sure as hell be talking about it for years after".

...absolutely useless!

But the GREENS are lucky that bruhaha now comes to late for the elections or they would end up somewhere in the single-digit realm.....there is no majority in Germany for the kind of open borders and more support money the Greens and Leftists want for these immigrants, not in Germany and not anywhere in Europe!

Tusk warns the EU leaders that they have to use all the necessary means soon to stop the destabilisation of the EU eastern border...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/kraj/news-apel-tuska-do-europejskich-przywodcow-prosi-o-solidarnosc,nId,5637367

... he's concerned that something unpredictable might happen; there are rumours of Iraqi veterans among the "refugees" being trained by Belarussian army to conduct terrorist attacks in the EU, as well as of possible military force provocations.

However, I think he might also be concerned about something else. If the EU doesn't deal with the crisis accordingly, and instead concentrates on teaching PiS a lesson (stopping the euro funds, condemn abortion and anti-LGBTQ laws, enforce the payment of fines for Turów and judicial system reform etc. etc.) and the border operation ends with a failure, then Kaczyński might say - "look, the EU are absolutely useless in times of need, and all they do is bully us and meddle in our internal affairs! Maybe it's time to reconsider our allegiance?".

Remember that in the European Parliament Kaczyński is already allied with pro-Putin Salvini, Orban and LePen. This whole thing begins to stink and I start to notice the underbelly of it all...

Tusk is right to call for immediate action.

That would teach them a lesson.

This is not about "teaching people a lesson". It is a delicate and escalating geopolitical situation in which very vulnerable people are being used as pawns.


Yes. Everyone is right now.


It is a mess, and carefully planned stages ahead.

... I wouldn't be surprised if that's why Kaczynski is not letting the free press or Frontex anywhere near the border. If that's all concerted with Lukashenko and Putin to make Polexit more acceptable to the Polish society then we are all in deep ****.

Hopefully it's just my paranoia.

They are for sure pro-Putin (as is the AfD)....but they are even more anti-Immigrants.....should be a popcorn moment when the decision looms! :)

It's not paranoia. Paranoia is irrational fear. Your statement is very rational indeed.

How can Poland or/and the EU retaliate on Belarussian regime for trafficking migrants and pushing them across the border?

1. Total ban on Belarussian national airlines
2. Total ban on their export of oil and chemical products, especially fertilizers. And other goods, too.
3. Cutting their banks off the SWIFT system.

"Nuclear retaliation" would be Polish blockade on the road transport of goods from Belarus which is an important transit centre and hub for companies from China and Russia.

So, there are a few ways we can answer to that hybrid war that Lukashenka and Putin are waging against the EU.

PS. Have I missed anything?

Of course, the sanctions will badly affect ordinary Belarussians and I pity them a lot, but there is no other way. The regimes must be dealt with in a tough manner coz otherwise they don`t care.


When you don`t add this explanation, your utterances aren`t honest. Yes, we have always known about it.

The next round of sanctions are already underway....

Exclusive: EU close to deal on new round of Belarus sanctions, diplomats say

reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-eu-close-deal-new-round-belarus-sanctions-diplomats-say-2021-11-09/

The European Union is close to imposing more sanctions on Belarus, targeting some 30 individuals and entities including the foreign minister and Belarusian airline Belavia, with approval as early as next week, three EU diplomats said.....

Next monday, when the foreign ministers meet, they should be subscribed officially!

...EU states are also considering broadening economic sanctions on Belarus imposed in July by targeting the local reinsurance sector and its main company state-owned BelarusRe, diplomats said.

The fifth package of asset freezes and travel bans on Belarusian state officials and businesses....

More sanctions this month would take the total number of people under asset freezes and travel bans in Belarus to almost 200 people - including Lukashenko and his sons - as well as more than a dozen institutions and companies.

No, I was talking about real sanctions, not petting with 30 individuals.

Well....they should p*iss off L some more.....

Maybe about time....Europe making itself independent from NATO:


reuters.com/world/europe/europe-is-danger-top-diplomat-propose-eu-military-doctrine-2021-11-10/

...."Europe is in danger," Borrell said in the foreword of the full strategy document that has been sent to the EU's 27 states for debate. "We need to have rapid deployment capabilities," he also told reporters.

One idea is to have a 5,000-strong EU crisis force, Borrell said, stressing though that the U.S.-led NATO alliance remains primarily responsible for Europe's collective defence....

For what do we have that common defence and security policy after all?

..."We have a strategic responsibility. Citizens want to be protected. Soft power is not enough," Borrell said of the economically powerful EU, the world's largest trade bloc.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Security_and_Defence_Policy

But since Poland controls its borders, the refugees stay on the other side and are Belarus' problem.


As long as it's 'to" the border, not "across" the border, all is fine and Belarus' problem is getting worse. So far so good other than the expense of border guards just being there.


Still don't see where Poland suffers because of that. Belarus is not the only evil country and the West loves them and trades with them.

That's meddling.


Still no offense against Poland.


I didn't see any retaliation against Poland for this act of compassion.


I don't see why this would be any of Poland's business.


That's meddling again.

I don't see things your way but I appreciate your and jon's response.

I am impressed with the way Poland applies asylum laws - by the book and as written. Bravo.

From news.trust.org/item/20211110152532-v3qld

Poland denies accusations by humanitarian groups that it is violating the international right to asylum by hustling migrants back into Belarus instead of accepting their applications for protection. Warsaw says its actions are legal.

Of course, Poland's actions are legal because according to the UN rules nobody on the other side of the border is a "refugee". Just saying "asylum" is not good enough.

The US should send its border protection agents to learn how it's done. Quoting:

The Polish border guards service reported 599 illegal border-crossing attempts on Tuesday, with 9 people detained and 48 sent back. Blaszczak said the force of Polish soldiers stationed at the border had been strengthened to 15,000 from 12,000.

I would prefer shot instead of "detained", but I guess I can't have it all.

Yes it is, you should see a psychiatrist for your mental illness. The conspiracy theory that kaczynski is using the migrant crisis to move closer to putin (who he blames for his brothers death) is up there with nanobots in the vaccines.

The person whom he blames for that is first and foremost Tusk, and the officials responsible for the organisation of the tragic flight. I don't think Kaczyński believes in the Russian bomb theory (that's up there with nanobots in the vaccines).

Now this is called "Giving it the Russian way"
eng.belta.by/president/view/lukashenko-sends-independence-day-greetings-to-poland-144964-2021/