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gregy741 4 | 1,204
3 Mar 2016 #1,201
this movie is ADL sponsored garbage from historical point.i dont judge its artistic value-maybe its good..but TVP has right to warn people that what they see its antypolish garbage sponsored by extremely antypolish circles.

and since this antypolish ,nazi collaborating narrative is becoming widespread among this circle of people,its should be classified as hate speech.
Harry
3 Mar 2016 #1,202
In what I would call a 'normal' country the film would be screened first and discussed or reviewed afterwards by a panel, either in a one-off special or on a regular arts show, with an impartial presenter.

But in this country we get a bigot making statements such as

"If this film did not contribute to the defense of Jews in the Polish-Jewish conflict then it would not get an Oscar."

Welcome to the Pislamic State, where Jews are to blame for everything.

this movie is ADL sponsored garbage from historical point.

Would you care to point out any parts of the film which are not historically accurate?

i dont judge its artistic value-maybe its good.

So you haven't seen the film, thanks for clearing that up.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
3 Mar 2016 #1,203
Would you care to point out any parts of the film which are not historically accurate?

its hateful antypolish nature is where the problem is.not even historical inaccuracy,since its fiction movie.
happy to see government that call sh.it by its name.finally...
if them academy people dont like it,go sue polish government or shut up
Harry
3 Mar 2016 #1,204
its hateful antypolish nature

Would you care to point out the parts of the film which demonstrate its "hateful antypolish nature"?

Would you care to explain what gives TVP the right to add parts to the film? Would you care to tell us why TVP considered it necessary to have a blatant anti-semite comment on the film before it was shown and to do so at the expense of Polish taxpayers? Would you care to tell us why the Pislamic State is so opposed to people hearing both sides of certain stories?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
3 Mar 2016 #1,205
Another day, another example of the PIS abusing its powers and bringing yet further humiliation on Poland:

Reminds one entirely of "Der schwarze Kanal" - "The Black Channel".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_schwarze_Kanal

Der schwarze Kanal ("The Black Channel") was a series of political propaganda programmes broadcast weekly between 1960 and 1989 by East German television. Each edition was made up of recorded extracts from recent West German television programmes re-edited to include a Communist commentary.

Gregy, you have seen the film, right? I mean, you wouldn't be making blanket statements without any sort of knowledge, right?
gregy741 4 | 1,204
3 Mar 2016 #1,206
Gregy, you have seen the film, right?

you see one,you see em all...same old garbage made by american jewish ADL circles....trash
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
3 Mar 2016 #1,207
So you haven't even seen the film.

Typical for PiS supporters, really. They attack without even having any knowledge of what they're attacking. Aren't you ashamed of your ignorance?
Harry
3 Mar 2016 #1,208
same old garbage made by american jewish ADL circles

Paweł Pawlikowski is neither American nor Jewish, he's Catholic, has Polish and British citizenship and lives in Warsaw, although I suppose that having a Jewish grandmother is more than good enough to make him a Jew to the Pislamic State, just as it did to their ancestors during the late 1930s and early to mid 1940s.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
3 Mar 2016 #1,209
Just to add to the daily dose of misery coming from PiS.

coe.int/en/web/media-freedom/all-alerts?p_p_id=sojdashboard_WAR_coesojportlet&p_p_lifecycle=0&p_p_state=normal&p_p_mode=view&p_p_col_id=column-3&p_p_col_count=2&_sojdashboard_WAR_coesojportlet_alertPK=14895062&_sojdashboard_WAR_coesojportl et_jspPage=%2Fhtml%2Fdashboard%2Fview_alert.jsp

Poland Legalises Mass Surveillance of its Citizens

This law definitively compromises the protection of journalists' sources and it is an obvious deterrent to whistleblowers.

There are no words, except that that Poland will drop dramatically in the press freedom rankings this year.

The Council of Europe, already involved through the Venice Commission, is separately investigating this blatant attack on the freedom and rights of citizens.

A good piece of news for a change :

The Venice Commission and the Council of Europe has rejected the demands by the Minister of Foreign Affairs to postpone the adoption and discussion of the opinion of the attack on the Constitutional Tribunal. That means that on March 11-12, the CoE will discuss the results of the investigation conducted by the Venice Commission, which are already known.

The EU will follow the lead of the CoE in this case.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,272
3 Mar 2016 #1,210
The EU will follow the lead of the CoE in this case

All this sounds like a terrible pro-Putin plot against Poland on the part of the EU ...
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
3 Mar 2016 #1,211
Quite the opposite. The EU is absolutely terrified that PiS are leading Poland away from the EU and into the hands of Russia.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
3 Mar 2016 #1,212
cant blame em.i think another 5 years of Europe being lead by junckers,shmidts,tusks,merkels Verhofstadts and Europeans will start begging Putin to invade em.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
3 Mar 2016 #1,213
Notice how all these allegedly pro-Polish trolls are all begging and longing for the embrace of Putin.

Madness.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,245
3 Mar 2016 #1,214
Aren't you ashamed of your ignorance?

Gregy and the PIS trolls ashamed of their ignorance? Wait a minute.......... did you see the Andrew Marr show on Sunday? He asked an American (black) actress if she thought Donald Trump was a serious politician.

She laughed loudly for all of 45 seconds, and Marr said "I'll take that as a 'No, shall I?"

Insert same here for these Berkshire hunts.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
3 Mar 2016 #1,215
the embrace of Putin

The classic emrbace of Putin was bestowed on Tusk at Katyń in 2010 and will go down in history as a sign of petty self-interest, collaboration and treachery. Almost as unforgivable as the Great Mulatto seeing in Putin's eyes "a true democrat" and hoping to "reset" America's relationship with Putin's post-Soviet empire.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
3 Mar 2016 #1,216
Yet more news of chaos and incompetence in the government :

It transpires that out of 23 Generals in the General Command of the Armed Forces, five of them have asked to leave the armed forces as a result of Macierewicz's actions in the Ministry of Defence. Among those - General Bronowicz, who oversaw the Wojska Lądowe (Polish Land Forces and the largest part of the Army). His two deputies also resigned their commissions.

General Bartniak, Chief of Staff has also resigned his commission.

The decimation of the command system before such important events (Operation Anaconda, a large NATO operation in June) is bad news that will surely be noticed and not just by our allies.

polityka.pl/tygodnikpolityka/kraj/1653084,1,efekt-macierewicza-fala-odejsc-na-najwyzszych-stanowiskach-w-armii.read

It's being called the "Macierewicz Effect", in that the Ministry of Defence is prioritising conspiracy theories and intrigue over the defence of Poland.
mafketis 24 | 9,361
3 Mar 2016 #1,217
It's being called the "Macierewicz Effect", in that the Ministry of Defence is prioritising conspiracy theories and intrigue over the defence of Poland.

Hey, you go with what you know. If your'e a sneaky paranoid figure you see conspiracies everywhere and that's what you give priority to...

And I'm sure there are plenty of PiS cronies ready to take their place. What's military know how and experience compared to party loyalty? Nothing! That's what! (Polonius will tell you)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
3 Mar 2016 #1,218
What's military know how and experience compared to party loyalty?

Well, you know, when someone has run the "Gazeta Polska" club in some village, they're a perfect candidate to lead important departments in the Army!

It's quite interesting to see just how much PiS are irritating the Americans, though.
peterweg 37 | 2,321
3 Mar 2016 #1,219
warsawvoice.pl/WVpage/pages/article.php/34717/news

They are now intent on the re-introduction of communism to Poland.

What to expect, the seizing of assets to line the pockets of Party members?
Harry
3 Mar 2016 #1,220
out of 23 Generals in the General Command of the Armed Forces, five of them have asked to leave the armed forces as a result of Macierewicz's actions in the Ministry of Defence.

Presumably they know that the PISlamic State sees as many enemies inside Poland as outside Poland and they don't want to be the ones receiving orders to shoot protesters.

They are now intent on the re-introduction of communism to Poland.

Remember that quite a few of the disciples of The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski think back on the commie era as the good old days, while others would see nothing wrong with it if they were the ones with exclusive access to the good shops.

the Great Mulatto

I'm not sure which is more disgusting: your comment or the fact you're allowed to make it here.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
4 Mar 2016 #1,221
prosecutors

Porsecutors will finally be able to effectively combat crime. The break-up of the ministerial/prosecutorial office was a big mistake. It was when one person held both posts that major crime gangs were smashed. Only those who feel more comfortable and operative in a pro-crime atmosphere more conducive to their shady dealings, want to split up and weaken that potent crime-fighting unit.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
4 Mar 2016 #1,222
What to expect, the seizing of assets to line the pockets of Party members?

That's exactly the plan. We've already witnessed how a woman that lent money to JK was given the place on the board of PGE despite being spectacularly unqualified to do so, and the entire system of Party patronage is well and truly underway.

The point is that State companies provide plenty of jobs for Party members. Party members then become entirely dependent on the man at the top, as they can lose influence with a stroke of his pen. The end result is mass corruption, nepotism and disaster for Poland again.

We're already hearing how show trials are planned for PO and PSL members, all controlled by PiS. Just like in the late 40's, the legal system will be used against political enemies. Of course, the punishment this time will not be execution, but financial ruin. Victims can expect to be harassed and abused by prosecutors, while being forced into spending a considerable amount of money to defend themselves against Party attacks.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
4 Mar 2016 #1,223
system of Party patronag

The system of party patronage was honed to perfection over 8 years of PO/PSL misrule. In those 8 years some of their know-nothing cronies actually learnt a thing or two about managing the task nepotisticlaly entrusted to them.

Maybe PiS activists should be sent to a Nepotism 101 training seminar run by hands-on-experienced Platformers and their hayseed sidekicks.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
4 Mar 2016 #1,224
Another day, another story of corruption and nepotism. This time, it concerns the Agency for Reconstruction and Modernisation of Agriculture, which is responsible for paying out CAP funds to farmers.

wyborcza.pl/1,75478,19715756,rolnicy-czekaja-na-doplaty-a-agencja-restrukturyzacji-w-destrukcji.html

the head of the Agency is Daniel Obajtka, the former mayor of Pcim. [... ]There, remains charges brought against him by prosecutors for bribery and fraud. The case is in court. Minister Jurgiel knew of the allegations, that this is not an obstacle in leading an institution that has billions.

The story gets worse. Obajtka immediately fired all the regional management and replaced them with people personally known to him, such as an aunt from Pcim. But worse - in February, every single county manager (305 of them!) - responsible for payments to farmers - were fired. It now transpires that farmers won't get the money owed to them (under PO-PSL government, paid no later than February) until the end of June - which is an absolute joke.

The story is well worth a read, as it describes exactly how every single managerial job has been given without competition to PiS supporters. One such example is that one boss used to run the "dom kultury" in a small town - they have no training and no qualifications to administer agricultural funds.

And of course, the touching footnote : the Agency has also given TV Trwam 250,000zł for advertising.

Poland has truly become a country in which state jobs are given to Party members.
mafketis 24 | 9,361
4 Mar 2016 #1,225
The story gets worse

(channeling Polonius3) You mean better! Experience and expertise are a form of theft by the KOD post RT communist elite against the True Poles who are not to blame that they don't have employable skills. They should be promoted to leadership positions so they can gain skills. Entry level positions are for corrupt PO types, PiS knows what really matters is loyalty to party and JK....

Who am I kidding? he won't address the substance of any of these at all (because they are indefensible) but simply keep invoking misdeeds by PO (without ever getting into any specific cases).
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
4 Mar 2016 #1,226
Who am I kidding?

It's only going to get worse and worse. These people are clueless and unqualified (for instance, Obajtka doesn't even have a degree!), and the farmers are going to be on the streets sooner rather than later. Many of them supported PiS, but now it's becoming obvious that PiS have launched some sort of war on them. Not only are their payments late, but there are also severe restrictions on what they can do with their land.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,272
4 Mar 2016 #1,227
Another day, another story of corruption and nepotism.

This story would be quite shocking if reported by a more reliable source than GW. I cannot be sure, however, which facts are true in it and which are biased. In the past I could confront facts they described with people I knew and whose actions were described in those stories. And believe me, the GW people were really keen on erasing some facts which did not suit their line in the story out of that story.

A good illustration of this may be the way you yourself reported facts from this article of GW to the PF. You said:

replaced them with people personally known to him, such as an aunt from Pcim.

The fact - as reported by the paper- is that the poor woman is not really his aunt, but was his former assistant (secretary) who worked for him in Pcim. She is only called "aunt" by her colleauges in ARiMR now. This mistake may have perhaps come out from your not-too-perfect knowledge of Polish, but at the same time it shows your eagerness to report things in a distorted way, but which is more in line with your views on the matter.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
4 Mar 2016 #1,228
This mistake may have perhaps come out from your not-too-perfect knowledge of Polish

I thought it was a reference to some family friend, to be fair.

But Gazeta Wyborcza wouldn't have published this story if there wasn't fact to it. The most concerning thing for me is that PiS (yet again) have appointed someone to a top position while that person is under investigation for corruption.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
4 Mar 2016 #1,229
if there wasn't fact

GW rarely prints any facts that cannot be twisted to suit their pre-programmed propaganda line.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
4 Mar 2016 #1,230
Polonius, is it or is it not a fact that Obajtka is under investigation for corruption?

You seem to be remarkably tolerant of all the corruption so far.

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