SHOULD POLAND HAVE NUKES??

History taught is it doesn't work with Russia.

Maybe if russia acted like a civilized country instead of a barbarian horde *** mafia then other countries would be more friendly.... Germany bent over backwards trying to treat russia like a normal country and russia stabbed them in the back.....

Exactly what kind of Nuclear Weapons does Poland want?

Big ones hopefully.

Seriously though, the new generation can be dialled up or down between being 'small' tactical ones right up to being strategic weapons.

France make some modern ones however there are issues about kill switches on French-made weapons.

The U.K. is looking at building a new generation to replace the Trident programme (coming to the end of its life and they have them serviced in the US which isn't ideal) so there may well be BAe weapons there.

And of course Poland certainly has the capability to build their own.

The kind that can reach Moscow and St. Petersburg in less tha two minutes just enough to keep Putin honest.


Of course, with permission from the U.S. which would only paint targets on Poland's launch sites, Warsaw, Wroclaw and Poznan.
The U.S. already has to many war refugee's, we don't need anymore.

They don't need permission from the U.K., the U.S. or France.

Then what is stopping them ?

Cost, politics, long term strategy.

They may well do so in the future.

And you have Ireland to thank for that.

"In 1958 Ireland introduced at the UN the first of what became known as the "Irish Resolutions". This initiative culminated in the adoption of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and Ireland was the first country to sign the NPT in 1968."

It took Herculean labours by Frank Aiken, the Irish representative at the UN to talk everybody round to supporting the first of the Resolutions. He drafted in extra staff to get the job done.

"Seán Ronan, the head of the political and information divisions at headquarters in Dublin, was sent as a delegate to the First Committee of the UN..

His insider account reveals some of the dynamics and calculations at play in the building, as Ireland managed a balancing act of engineering consensus between East and West."

Interesting to see the notes from the meeting when it was adopted in 1960:

"The U.S. indicated that they would support the Irish proposal. The Foreign Minister of the Ukraine spoke for the Soviet bloc and commended the Irish initiative. He then launched into an attack on Western Germany as a 'hot bed of aggression' which retained the greatest possible stocks of nuclear weapons and whose forces were being trained in their use...............The representative of Iraq in his statement accused Israel, with the assistance of France, of building a nuclear reactor that could be used to manufacture nuclear weapons.

Poland attacked France, NATO, and West Germany in their statement. The efforts of West Germany to get nuclear weapons was a matter of great concern to Poland, and the nuclear arming of West Germany might deal a fatal blow to efforts to achieve agreement on complete and general disarmament."

SHOULD POLAND HAVE NUKES??

Before nukes, Poland should have more public restrooms with toilet paper, water, soap, and towels.

@jon357
Those types of weapons took many decades of trial and error to create. It would take Poland just as long to advance from basic, cumbersome Atomic bombs. Much less Thermonuclear. Much less miniturizing them. The the first generation of dial a yield.

Lets face it. The USA built bad nuclear bombs/warheads that cost several years of Poland's annual GDP. Just in the failed W88/W89 series. Just maintenance with our arsenal will be at least $60 Billion by 2030. Not counting the warheads, bombs, missiles and bombers or facilities and men.

Danny, why would you waste time on this lunatic...

Lightbulbs took many decades of trial and error to create. Or cars, or computers, or TVs etc. Now many countries can make them. It's called technological progress.

I wonder how much would Pakis want for a 1-megaton nuke if it was for sale.

Poland wouldn't need to "advance from basic" though. Precisely because of the decades of trial and error by those countries who have developed such weapons.

They have been invented and developed already. Torq expresses that quite well.

The UK is looking to upgrade Trident (and the old Trident missiles are still good), France produces weapons well, and there's no reason Poland would have to reinvent the wheel by doing it from scratch. Poland does after all have world-class scientists and engineers as well as having good relations with most of the world's nuclear states.

It is not a matter if Poland has the intellect; or even if it could be done. The political will and capital expenditure has to be there. I do not think Poland has that. It is just easier to invite foreign nuclear powers on your soil with advanced security arrangements being done.

They have the capital and as the threat from
a certain right wing neighbour increases, they increasingly have the will.


That is easy too, since there are two of those in Europe, both with strong relationships to Poland (one with a military presence in Poland and the Baltics) and there is another, the US, with missiles stationed nearby.

Lol...Go the Poland makes it's own nukes route. Call me in 30 years when you finally have enough enriched uranium to make an A-Bomb.

The other real problem is Poland has Uranium. But at 60 ppm; it will require a lot more refining.

So yes; inviting in a nuclear power IS far easier and insanely cheaper.

If I were King of Poland; I would buy a few squadrons of F-15EX, and contingent on USAF basing a wing of F-15EX in Poland.

If I were King of Poland I would follow Denmark. If Denmark doesn't have nukes and can be the happiest place on earth, maybe Poland doesn't need nukes, either.

Alternatively, I would call Putin and ask if he intends to invade Poland and exterminate 10 million Poles or do something equally unpleasant. Knowing this guy, he would probably burst out laughing and say:

Why the fvck would I want to mess with the people who hate Russia more than they hate the Gestapo and SS? For their bit*chy women? Or space program and oil? ...hahahahahahahahaha...

Hey, Vlad, just for you:

Какого черта мне хотелось связываться с людьми, которые ненавидят Россию больше, чем гестапо и СС? Для своих стервозных женщин? Или космическая программа и нефть?

Most nuclear countries buy it from others.

Only places like Iran have to do it from scratch.


Or buying weapons from them. There are two in Europe.


Or contingent on the U.K., France, Italy etc. rather than a country thousands of miles away with an unreliable government.

Yes. If approved by the Non-proliferation folks; you can get on the waiting list of countries blessed with high grade Uranium. But most bought Uranium comes from Russia. Which melts down weapons grade plutonium for commercial use.

Who says you have to buy American. The French! They will sell weapons of horrible destruction to a toddler riding a tricycle. They have zero scruples and the purchase price is ridiculously high. Delivery is late.

The UK is more principled. But will still sell to a teenage Arab Prince driving a fancy sports car. Prices are still high and with little factories left, deliveries again are slow.

Ahhh Unreliable Uncle Sam. Still everyone comes asking for our weapons and 10 million invade our borders. Must be a terrible country. Yes please tell everyone we are awful, un-reliable and that we stink real bad too.

If you do not like our un-reliable Government; just wait 4 years and a new un-reliable government will replace it. All Americans have known this since our beginning. That is by design to discourage reliance on Government. Those founders were very bright guys.

This is why we will never have something very, very silly like a 4th level of Supra-national Government like the EU for example. Who really wants a 4th level of government telling you when to wipe your posterior. Or festering and ozooing departments on weird walking styles, whether or not your cows can take anxiety or pain medications.Or countless other topics that could be better answered by a chimpanzee rolling dice.

Poland can easily withdraw from that or any other treaty; they are a sovereign state.


Indeed. There are other countries with companies that manufacture.


Poland chose to join and the Polish government plays a full part in the Union's decision-making processes, as do the voters of Poland. The EU does not however have an army or weapons; Poland does and can decide for itself what type of weapons they have (provided that they are in accordance with international laws) and of course can also choose which companies they buy them from.

That was not fair...Americans take showers daily. It's the European and Midwestern men stink like skunks.

lol! Really? you need to get out more from your hole.

Anyway I bet you stink like all dumb trolls.

Those who can afford it.

I an trying to get them not to come here...lol

OMG! Do not get me started on men from Belgium. Comes in with their expensive business suits. They come in with the most obnoxious and toxic smelling cologne. But even that can not block that smell. Like they were all stuffed in a hot sauna closet for a damn week, With a vague urine note in the stench of old sweat.

I once had to give a guided tour of the Old Town in Warsaw to a group of 'active retirees' from Belgium. I met them at their hotel at 9.30 am and they were all sitting round with large beers and not necessarily their first beer.

...and large guts...


Brits hate American tourists because American tourists use up a month's worth of hot water on the first day.

I've been there on your New York subway and I suspect Brits bathe more.

Those were British tourists, not Americans.