Karol Nawrocki - the New President of Poland

He gains more from hindering it than helping it at present.

And here I see a difference between the German president and the Polish one. The German one does not block government policy.

That's because the German president doesn't have the constitutional power you einfaltspinsel!

And the Polish president does?

Nawrocki is obviously trying to turn the presidency into a policy making position it was not desgined to be.... my guess is he wants ultimately to dump Kaczyński and unite PiS and Braun's shirts and Konfa behind him... so he can turn into an Orban or Erdogan like permanent leader....

Yes he does. What's good for bolek is good for Batory

Comparing edrogan and orban is classless and nasty. But both have made themselves indispensable to everyone.

Which one do you actually value more?

I only value one of them and I'm sure you can surmise who it is.

they both intend to never leave office.

they've both destroyed the legal and political systems of their countries to do that

in Orban's case, he's actively chasing out young educated voters with no eye at all toward the future...

both are terrible (they weren't always terrible and may have been beneficial to their countries had they stepped down long ago but they want to be forever leaders, an African style of politics that should not take place in the west (or west adjacent areas).

Weren't you blabbing the same about Kaczynski and him not accepting the parliamentary elections, instead it was Tusk and co who tried to annul the Presidential election lol.

Edrogan has got tens of thousands of political prisoners, arrested the main opposition leaders and threw away the key, is oppressing the kurds through military means and ferments islamic infused wars in neighouring states. Saint Orban has done none of this. Besides if you want to defeat the european consensus on mass migration and trannie indoctrination, you can't act like your enemies, ie a virtue signalling liberal ponce bleating about Syrian Drag queens doing a sh*t in public as performance art which enhances our shared liberal, democratic values.

The similiarities are certainly astonishing.


While simultaneously securing his voting base amongst the rural elderly by giving them generous pension payments which are not feasible in the long-term. All of Europe is facing a demographic crisis in the future, but the situation in Hungary is especially worrysome. The system Orban is heavily dependent on EU funds to keep working. And it is only a matter of time until that ends. Either because the other EU countries get fed up with him, or because the money will be needed elsewhere.

Just a reminder, Hungary is now the poorest EU country.

dailynewshungary.com/hungary-officially-poorest-country-eu/

How different Poland has developed in the meantime.

Orban has made his country poorer, older, less influential in Europe and his conduct towards Kiev and Moscow has been disgraceful and harmful for Hungary's future.

Anyway so so-called Europe( UE) is done. They just don't know it yet.

So far, the EU is developing very well. Bulgaria is just now introducing the euro.

Oh, so that will bolster the Euro then..... LOL!!

After all, 6.7 million more people use the euro. Moreover, if Alien went on holiday to Bulgaria, he would not have to exchange money and, what a joy it would be for numismatists. 🙂

xD

If you thought letting Greeks into the euro zone was a mistake, just wait and see what Bulgarians are capable of.

The Greek economy is very stable in the meantime. 🤔 I think I'll go to a Greek restaurant for dinner.

Yes, Greek economy stable, stabely poor after they were forced to sell all their critical infrastructure to Germany.

Everybody knew they were lying for years to qualify, so I think the injured innocence act "they lied! they must be punished" was extremely hypocritical.


Which Germany hasn't really done anything with I hear.... they bought the airports and just let them sit there, falling apart.

Of course Greece wasn't the real problem (its debt was a rounding error in terms of EU budgets) but they wanted to make an example of them so Italy wouldn't be tempted to go the same way....

Sometimes a big crisis can be a chance to modernize.

And to give the Greeks credit, they used this opportunity very well, even if it was forced on them.

Greece used to be one of, if not the least organized and outdated states in the EU. Now they have modernized so much that few states in the world can e.g. offer their citizen such efficient public services. Much less res tape now (and paperwork almost exclusively digitally). And that from a state that 10 years did not even have a comprehensive overview of all the landowners and people who owned a house... .

They also seem to have sufficiently reformed their pension systems. Something most European countries still lack the determination and political will to so.

Germany's facing multiple crises and not taking any chance to modernize.... so..... sounds like rationalization.

Delusions! What you're saying is - I've worked hard to achieve my current position, and since I have established myself here, I don't want to acknowledge or recognize anything that could disrupt my sense of stability.

The EU is declining; for at least the last 15 years, Eastern Europe, particularly Poland, has been the engine that drags all the dead weight. The only reason the German economy didn't collapse sooner was due to Russian oil. That is now in the past, but they continue to go through the motions with green energy and other ideological nonsense.

As the EU continues to fall, it is already crumbling, yet you sing a song of joy like a dying breed.

True. So far the pressure is not big enough to really change things here. In large parts because the crisis is still not really felt amongst the Germans. Most of which are still relatively well off and the government was able to cover up most holes in the budget with its' record spending.

And like I said, a big crisis can be a chance to modernize. There are plenty of states and empires who failed to do so and declined.

To their credit, the Greeks seemed to have used this opportunity. Whether or not they would have done so without outside pressure is another question.

Ah, of course...

Wolfgang Schäuble was not a cannibal and an autist, but merely very concerned that Greece learns the correct lessons.

He was mostly concerned with how the Greeks were jeopardizing the future of the EU and the Euro with their conduct, particulary the Tsipras government.

Worth remembering that he was still more sympathic towards the Greeks than many politicians in Eastern Europe, who used to complain that they were asked to provide guarantees for a country that still offered its' citizens higher social benefits and pensions than they did for their own.

Expecting Eastern Europe to subscribe to your enlightened ways shows your naivete.

While we starved, and marched into gas chambers - those Greek faggots were sailing their ships around the Mediterranean and behaving as heroes.

Who let you down from Eastern Europe?

Who ate more than he can pay for?

In the Euro crisis it was not the Easterners, but the PIIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, Spain).

not true
Germany's economic growth of 0.5% means greater nominal growth than, for example, the growth of the Polish economy by 2.5%.

I don't. I just pointed out that Schäuble took a more moderate position in the discussions as compared to many of his counterparts from Eastern Europe. That he was often singled-out as the one being unduly harsh on the Greeks was always unfair, but given his prominent position probably inevitable.

It is a real shame that Schäuble died a few years ago, since his advice was greatly valued by Merz. And in those difficult days ahead of us, Merz could certainly do with good advice.

Fair enough and I apologize.

I do respect him, and I can see why you argue he was the most "real" of the Troika.

But his "solutions" for the Greeks, still make them remember him in the same terms as people in South Sudan interpret the legacy of the people of North Sudan vis-a-vis their region.

Or the same way people from Calabria, see the actions of people from Lombardy.

I don't know where you get your figures from, but mine tell me that the German economy is stagnant and Poland's is growing at 3.2% plus every year.

@Miloslaw

He's talking about the difference between absolutes and relative figures.

If Poland has an economy of $10, and grows 20% - next year it will be $12 in size.

If Germany has an economy of $50, grows 10% - next year it will be at $55.

Poland grew $2, and Germany grew $5 - even though Poland is growing faster.

See?

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I don't think this is as "impressive" as Alien thinks, and I agree with you Poland has been displaying very impressive economic growth - whereas Germany is in major trouble - but still.. he is right.