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The Iran war and Poland


amiga500  5 | 1673
5 hrs ago   #241
Can you get it through your propaganda pickled kraut brain that enriching uranium and actually producing a thermonuclear weapon are two different things?

Why else would they be enriching Uranium?

To use in their nuclear reactor and just in case they need to ever build a bomb. (which would take years.)

Why else would they be enriching Uranium?

Stop repeating yourself.
OP jon357  73 | 24578
5 hrs ago   #242
Why else would they be enriching Uranium?
Ironside  51 | 13348
5 hrs ago   #243
You still couldn't no matter how much you tried.

Said Harold. lol!
We will never find out because I appreciate Britain and do not have the inclination to interfere in their peculiar system.
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No sh1t Sherlock.

So why did you lie about it? Post #1266, topic - USA News and Poland.
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Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12317
5 hrs ago   #244
and just in case they need to ever build a bomb. (which would take years.)

....and then what?
OP jon357  73 | 24578
5 hrs ago   #245
To use in their nuclear reactor

Why would they need one of those?

do not have the inclination to interfere in their peculiar system.

Or the ability.

So why did you lie about it? Post #1266, topic - USA News and Poland.

That post is accurate.
Ironside  51 | 13348
5 hrs ago   #246
Why else would they be enriching Uranium?

My guess is to take a bath in it.
amiga500  5 | 1673
5 hrs ago   #247
....and then what?

Don't turn an IF into a WHEN otherwise when you trip over your shoelaces tomorrow morning, the 8:15 S-Bahn to Warschauer Straße will run you over.

My guess is to take a bath in it.

It's just like Magnesium salts, very relaxing..

Why would they need one of those?

To generate electricity as part of their net-zero commitments.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12317
5 hrs ago   #248
Don't turn an IF into a WHEN

There are lotsa other people who know better than you or me...I accept their judgement!

I personally don't want the Mullahs to throw around nine nukes, I'm grateful for Israel to take care of that problem! Thank you!

S-Bahn to Warschauer Straße

??? Heeeeeey! :)
OP jon357  73 | 24578
5 hrs ago   #249
To generate electricity as part of their net-zero commitments.

Now now....
Mr Grunwald  33 | 2183
5 hrs ago   #250
I personally don't want

Let's do a rational calculation on states invading other states last 50 years (1975-2025) shall we?

1. Soviet Union
2. U.S.A
3. Iraq
4. Ex-Yugoslavia in their civil war mess
5. Ukraine (invaded Russia heartlands after itself being invaded)
6. (Not sure about India or Pakistan, they kind of escape my attention)
7. Russian Federation
Now BB, would you add Iran to that list? And why?
Barney  19 | 1839
5 hrs ago   #251
Iranians are mostly Persians not Arabs and mostly Shia while Palestinians are mostly Sunni Arabs... why is this their special fight?

There is a concept in Islam of mutual support and social justice. It is not about hating Jews though many individuals and leaders in teh Islamic world express it that way. The Iranian regime are very careful to talk about Zionism. Israel has weaponised anti Zionism as equivalent to anti-semitism.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12317
4 hrs ago   #252
Now BB, would you add Iran to that list? And why?

Sponsoring a terrorist network!

congress.gov/crs-product/IF12587

Lebanese Hezbollah

Hamas

The Houthis

Iraqi Militias



Cutting off the "head of the snake" is quite fitting! The whole region will be better off without Teherans meddling...
Ironside  51 | 13348
4 hrs ago   #253
Now BB, would you add Iran to that list? And why?

Because they are Muslims.
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Sponsoring a terrorist network!

Hamas

Created by Israelis.
Mr Grunwald  33 | 2183
4 hrs ago   #254
Sponsoring a terrorist network!

I'll admit, I am not a fan of that. Yet, I see it more of a sad tradition in the area. Wouldn't you agree?

Cutting off the "head of the snake"

That's very naive. For Muslim militants to stop being active and harnessing military, financial and political support. U.S.A and Israel would have to invade, occupy and cut off the balls of leadership in Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria and Iran.

Both you and I know that won't happen cause of India, China, Russia and EU.

It's a delusion, pipe dream and no solution to what you seek.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12317
4 hrs ago   #255
It's a delusion, pipe dream and no solution to what you seek.

What I seek?

I don't want a terrorist-attack with a nuke anywhere in Berlin, Paris or New York....is that so unfathomable???

If Iran kept to themselves, only torturing and opressing their own population, they would have a much better chance to get away with it. But they don't, and made lotsa powerful enemies with that. Some lessons need to be learnt the hard way....it isn't as if they have never been warned!
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12317
4 hrs ago   #256
Attack reportedly imminent: Alert in Iran!

Trump releases attack plan

Iran aims missiles at US troops ++ "Doomsday plane" lands near Washington

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....gets popcorn....

Washington/Tehran - US President Donald Trump (79) could soon join Israel's military operation against Iran's nuclear program. The Wall Street Journal reports that Trump has already approved the attack plans. If Tehran does not completely abandon its nuclear program, he will strike.

Thousands of US soldiers stationed in the Middle East are preparing for retaliatory strikes from Iran. The New York Times reports this, citing military officials and intelligence reports: "Iran has prepared missiles and other military equipment for attacks on US bases in the Middle East."

Mr Grunwald  33 | 2183
4 hrs ago   #257
I don't want a terrorist-attack with a nuke anywhere in Berlin, Paris or New York....is that so unfathomable???

That is not unfathomable to me, but it would require preperation and not bombing strikes.

It would require lobbying, espionage and trade being conducted by U.S.A, France and Germany in Iran. It would require to strengthen border control, more wages to military, administration and police. Request artists in all 3 countries with increased paycheck bonuses to produce art in form of paintings, movies, tv series, commercials and books about the dangers of negligence in one's own society and others.

Documenteries about all sides of societies in the Middle East states etc. You think politicians in France, Germany and U.S.A are up for that? No

They rather throw a few bombs
Bobko  28 | 2446
4 hrs ago   #258
Who else?

My brother - can you not see the obvious? In the same way you were trying to explain to me the "obvious" just after Russia invaded Ukraine?

It's hard to make people like you - when you are pointing a gun to their head or dropping bombs on their homes.

It may be even harder to be loved, when you haven't been in the country since you were 17 years old, and then suddenly reappeared only after a hostile state hacked your national tv network and showed your face.

Reza Pahlavi cannot be viewed as anything but an Israeli collaborator. No self respecting conservative OR liberal Iranian could support the person, that Israel brought on the tip of a sword.

The Pahlavi dynasty are a bunch of lowborn Mazandarani usurpers (not even Persians). His grandfather was a nobody - an officer in the Persian Cossack Corps. Not a drop of noble blood, no tribal lineage, no historical claim, and not even any ties to the previous Qajar aristocracy. They're no Romanovs... to put it lightly.

The way his father ruled - showed the extent of their origins. They make the Al-Sauds look like paragons of nobility and civility.

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The only real opposition to the regime are the Mujahideen-e-Khalq. Sometimes they bring these guys to the White House (John Bolton - big fan). They are Marxist Islamists. In the 1980s, they supported Saddam in his war against Iran, and this eroded much of the support they had within the country. Then throughout the 90s and early 00s they carried out bombings and assassinations across Iran. That pretty much completely marginalized them within Iranian society, and now they have a semi cult like reputation.

Still, the MeK is much more popular than some kleptocrat's son that hasn't lived in Iran since he was 17 years old.
Barney  19 | 1839
4 hrs ago   #259
the MeK

They were a designated terrorist entity by the US until they were not. They relocated to Albania
OP jon357  73 | 24578
4 hrs ago   #260
The only real opposition to the regime

There are a few other options.

The Pahlavi dynasty are a bunch of lowborn Mazandarani usurpers (not even Persians).

That doesn't make any difference to them.
mafketis  41 | 11551
3 hrs ago   #261
a concept in Islam of mutual support and social justice

Then why is Iran an ally of China which is oppressing Uyghurs?
Bobko  28 | 2446
3 hrs ago   #262
They were a designated terrorist entity by the US until they were not.

Yes, familiar with their move to Albania. Not to worry, still plenty of other terrorist organizations based in London and New York - like Hizb ut Tahrir or the Gullenists or the Falun Gong.

That doesn't make any difference to them.

Hmm... I think it does.

The Pahlavis stole the throne from the rightful Qajars.

Then they sold Iran to America for power (Mossadegh Coup).

They were thieves in royal clothes.

They ruled for themselves, not the people.

They were what doomed secularism in Iran. Only they could have caused an alliance to form between teenagers and septuagenarian clerics. Can you imagine what that takes?
OP jon357  73 | 24578
3 hrs ago   #263
The Pahlavis stole the throne from the rightful Qajars.

Ancient history. The sort of thing Crowie bangs on about.

The most thing about whichever person and group is next, is that they're allied with the world's democracies rather than malign state actors.
Barney  19 | 1839
3 hrs ago   #264
Then why is Iran an ally of China which is oppressing Uyghurs?

Those guys take Politics as seriously as they take religion. They are not in a formal alliance with China but China provides cash they need to continue with their religious project.

Every nation suffers from hubris

They were what doomed secularism in Iran

Very much so

whichever person and group is next

If the regime falls It will be a mess much worse than the Iraq fiasco
Bobko  28 | 2446
3 hrs ago   #265
Ancient history.

If the 1950s is ancient history - sure.

This Reza Pahlavi bullshit is when I first started to doubt Israel's plans.

Netanyahu has had some great successes, but he has also demonstrated that he does not know how to end wars. He promised that the Gaza operation would last about two weeks. It's been much more than that - and there is still no end in sight.

While Saudi Arabia and Qatar are busy helping the new government in Syria find its bearings - Netanyahu occupied a further 400 sq km of the Golan Heights - despite apparent attempts by the Syrians towards a rapprochement.

In Yemen - he failed to even dent the Houthi's ability to strike at ships in the Gulf of Aden, or strike at Israeli airports - and that has also been going on for a very long time.

He's great at starting things, not so great at winding them down. If Trump doesn't bail him out right now, I think he's in a lot of trouble.
Barney  19 | 1839
3 hrs ago   #266
Yemen

I dont know how anti ship missiles work but the ability to launch them from Yemen as well as the coast of Iran may give some sort of additional reach. An aircraft carrier makes a big target and they only have to be lucky once. The Americans would not be happy bunnies if one or two were sunk and they would have to put boots on the ground for twenty years or so.
Bobko  28 | 2446
3 hrs ago   #267
he ability to launch them from Yemen as well as the coast of Iran may give some sort of additional reach.

Of course it will provide additional reach.

Who does Maersk, Evergreen, Cosco, et al have to thank for this? Israel.

America can thank Israel for this too.

Truly the tail wagging the dog, and getting the dog into all sorts of trouble. Nobody was shooting at British and American ships until Israel decided to turn Gaza into a parking lot.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12317
3 hrs ago   #268
The Pahlavi dynasty are a bunch of lowborn Mazandarani usurpers (not even Persians).

Interesting!

But frankly that is for the Iranians to decide....and absolutely not my problem. The West has only one problem: no nukes for the Mullahs!
OP jon357  73 | 24578
3 hrs ago   #269
If the regime falls It will be a

The world will cope.

Just as long as the next government are allied to the world's democracies and not to authoritarian regimes.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12317
3 hrs ago   #270
until Israel decided to turn Gaza into a parking lot.

I would like to listen to these Hamas-arseholes....how they yammer and whine and cry and regret...heh:)

Maybe soon they will lose their biggest supporter in Teheran...too....I bet that wasn't on their minds as they danced and cheered on the streets after the massacres!


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