The Iran war and Poland

They want to be left alone and in peace....they gain nothing from the neverending terrorism!

The only ones profiting from it are the puppet masters in Teheran and their backer....

Aren't they going to use any self-determination they have to attack Israel? And then get their @sses handed back to them? And then isn't everything back to square one?

This is not a problem that can be solved by giving one side more power than it already has....

That is the risk I am willing to take, and it is one of the cornerstones of independence.
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Trump is not as dumb as they say he is. He stepped back from a major war. It is good for America. Not so good for Israel. Cruz will have to apologise to his handlers.

I find this sentence interesting. You note that the PLO recognizes Israel-without qualification. However, you only offer a conjectured qualification about Israel. Why is that?

There have been more than ample examples that prove the conjectured qualification wrong.

When it comes to Gaza, what does the PLO have to do with it, anyways? It is controled by Hamas-an Iranian-backed terrorist organization that has vowed to end the existence of Israel. In other words, it is controled by an authority that contradicts what the PLO agreed to: the right of Israel to exist in peace free from terroristic threats.

There's adequate room for Israeli criticism, but the apartheid charge smacks of something you read in the Young Marxian Daily-a propaganda newspaper funded by comfortable wealthy penthouse Marxists and read by Westerners living comfortable lives generated by capitalistic ventures.

That's the one thing that extreme left and extreme right have in common - dislike of Jews and Israel. For me it means that the Israelis must be doing something right if both commies and nazis hate them. :)

Do ya think. lol
I get a hoot how Joker can predict their next post almost word for word when they are having a TDS meltdown.

That is covers all the Europeans here, not just our lovely sister Paulina.
And even if they know you are joking they don't know how to laugh at themselves.

I want to ask them, "Compared to whom, your country ?' that America has protected for the last 80 years and YOU have the audacity to talk shlt about the U.S.A.
Trump has turned bully Putins two week war into four years showing the bully that he isn't quite as tuff as he thought he was.
Trump has shown these bully goat ropers that they are no match for the U.S.A.
Trump told bully Iran to give up enriching uranium to military grade and their leader gave Trump the finger so Trump gave him the fist.
Now Trump is calling for a ceasefire and peace.
And if the Trumpster gets the finger again there is going to be a whole lot of suffering with lots of people dying.
Seems like anyone with a half a brain would understand that but that 'pride', that is a bullies downfall.

America was protecting Poland for 80 years ?

It was awful, Torqi.


Brilliant! 😀

It worked.

It said: We can destroy things and kill any azzhole we don't like.

Remember Osama, Mr. Ayatollah?

WSJ is reporting that an effect of the Iranian situation, China is now thinking about restarting negotiations with Russia about a pipeline.

Iran has not had a good couple of weeks. Every decision it's made has been harmful. Not to mention revealing to the world its many vulnerabilities. Block the Strait of Hormuz, lose orders from your customer.

Nope - didn't work.

No evidence that it did, except Golden Cow saying so.

And you know it didn't work...how?

More and more reports seem to think it worked to one degree or another. Grossi from the IAEA seems to think damage was done.

Did threatening to close the strait work? Y'know cutting off shipping lane that provides China its oil? Y'know the country that buys upwards to 90% of the major commodity Iran exports?

It worked:

We can destroy things and kill any azzhole we don't like.

Remember Osama, Mr. Ayatollah?

More and more reports ? Like what ?

No one gains anything from never ending war. Palestinians could ask the IDF how to transition from a bunch of terrorists to the most moral army in the world.
@mafketis
A negotiated settlement that is one sided just continues the current cycle. Israel wants the land without the people. If they want peace they have to recognise and attempt to correct the wrongs done to the indigenous people they won't because Zionism is a colonial project, Palestinians don't count.

@AntV
What I describe is the reality. A cursory glance at the West Bank illustrates this perfectly. Something as basic as building permits or property rights is skewed massively in favour of the colonists. There is no conjecture just an accurate description. When you have two sets of laws for two sets of people in the same place alarm bells should be ringing. Both sets of laws are policed by the colonists. I have yet to see an instance that proves my description wrong. Apartheid is an accurate description of the situation that has nothing to do with left, right or centre or indeed antisemitism. It's not antisemitic to oppose land appropriation.

@cms neuf

Grossi from IAEA. And so many others from WSJ, security analysts. I'm not saying they did or didn't. I'm on record saying we need to hold on for awhile before we know.

You, however, have made a declaration, I want to know where your confident statement comes from.

Just in (BILD):


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....but nobody seems to own the truth actually, hence:


The point about the constant surveillance of any iranian movement shouldn't be underestimated either....it will be from now on absolutely impossible for the Mullahs to build secretly a nuke arsenal!

This leaves me with very conflicted feelings, hehehe.

On the one hand - I'm sorry our boy Iran got run over by a truck...

On the other hand... this pipeline business is just so freaking important. We've been chasing the Chinese for the better part of ten years, begging them to sign this contract. They've been wrinkling their nose, and furrowing their eyebrows, and making all sorts of ridiculous demands. They basically wanted the gas for free.

When we had Europe, we managed to negotiate the Power of Siberia pipeline - albeit on pretty ****** terms. When we lost our main customer, China really had us between a rock and a hard place. And now... how the tables have turned!

Too bad it's gonna take like 5 years to bring this pipe online. But once it gets going, it won't shut down for the better part of a century.

Supposedly China has some internal rule where they don't want more than 20% of their energy supplies coming from a single source. They're gonna have to amend that, and become like the Germans - sitting tightly on Russia's oil needle.

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Maybe I should put this in the stock trading thread... but I have a near 100% confidence level in that Russia's European pipelines will be restarted.

It may take a very long time before it reaches the 150-200 billion cubic meters we used to supply annually, but it should rise to 50-75 bcm pretty quickly. This should act as additional pressure on China.

First, I think supplies through the southern corridor will increase. Then the Ukrainian pipeline will be relaunched (to help meet their budget needs, and as a "soft" form of reparations from Russia). The finally stage would be the relaunching of the Nord Stream pipes 1 and 2.

How is that different from what Palestinians want? (from the river to the sea.... )

Herein lies a problem. The West Bank and indeed all of israeli/Palestinian milieu is so complex that a cursory view will not merely mislead but misrepresent. Hell, the way one area is ran is different in other areas.

A cursory view also doesn't take into account the question of why things are ordered the way they are. There may be legitimate reasons for some of the measures put in place and legitimate arguments against those reasons.

Reasons and arguments to the contrary that I have personally spewed ad nauseum.

In your mind, does Israel have any legitimate reasons for doing what they do?

Who decides if a reason is legitimate?

UN? ICC? A coin flip?

This "by the book" way of seeing things is exasperating...Like in a kindergarten...Joe, let Adam play with the truck...it's his turn now...

Russia went by the book...referenda...voting...so elegant...and so useless...Three years later, with a million men dead on both sides...still no end in sight...

Z is still alive, and Kiev is like Paris...

When survival is on the table, there is no such thing as right or wrong, children...

From his Trump-hating ass...

Ask him what he would prefer: More damage or less...and watch Golden Moron weasel and wiggle...

@mafketis
Palestine in the form of the PLO recognised Israel no talk of ethnic cleansing Israel didn't like that and set out to destroy the PLO which they have more or less succeeded in doing. They funded and supported HAMAS and ignored the Oslo agreements to undermine the PA. Now they are arming an Islamic state linked criminal gang. The historic recognition of Israel happened on the Palestinian side but Israel is lacking. The difference is that Israel is not interested because they are armed, funded and protected by the USA like a good puppet regime.
@AntV
A closer look would lead to an even bleaker picture than the one I described. I can't see any legitimate reason for state sponsored land theft or the denial of building permits. Israel has two cards, the security card and their ace,American backing. This means they can and do as they want because of western guilt/colonial attitudes and the massive corruption of the Arab world. Arab states that haven't been bought off have been destroyed. It's a lesson in raw power with zero morality, legality or any other sweet words the so called west like to use.


There is never an excuse for genocide.

It's less about who decides, as it is about whether its good or not? You'll say who decides what is good; that is question, ergo it's a matter of competing moral codes.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Oh... sooo complicated. Sooo complex. So arcane and Byzantine in its internal structures... that we shouldn't even bother.

Come on AntV...

Occupation is occupation. Forced resettlement is forced resettlement. Expropriation is expropriation. Murder is murder. Theft is theft.

Nuance is important, and impartiality, but here I feel you are trying to make something that is pretty straightforward into something more complex than it is.

@Barney

Genocide, colonists, apartheid. Nothing more than partisan ideological claptrap that only perpetuates more discord and chasms. You don't offer roads to a solution, only an ideological battlefield. Who will win this battle: Marx or Herzl?

In this contest, an AR-15 wins every time. Or a 30,000-pound bomb...

The choice is often very simple: Moral and dead or immoral and alive...

The best one is: The other guy dead. Morality is negotiable after the fact. See Hiroshima...


Are you quickly becoming my twin?

Or are you trying to make something more simple that is pretty tortuous and complex? Both fair questions/thoughts.

Area A is not ran like Area B, which aren't ran like Area C. Why?

Yes, if, indeed, there ever was such a thing called the Sovereign State of Palestine, then it's more simple. If all 2 million non-Jewish citizens living in Israel were denied opportunities and services, yes, more simple. But...that's not how it is, so it ain't so simple.

@Novichok

Novi, sometimes, maybe even most of the time, I think you spend too much time in the instinctual animal kingdom.🙂

Pals made it simple...10/7...Now they live in Warsaw 1945.

@Bobko
The never ending propaganda and founding myth of Israel has been central to how the European population viewed the area. In The US there is the additional prism of evangelical mythology. In 1967 Moshe Dayan would have been elected US president if circumstances allowed, today in the west the good will towards Israel has largely evaporated bar the ruling elites and people not really that interested. Beyond the west Israel is viewed negatively by the vast majority of the world not because the majority are Jewish but because of their behaviour. It's pure colonialism.

The old analogy is allowing someone to share a table with your family and they then force you to leave because their friends are coming.