The Iran war and Poland

It's all kicking off now.

Tusk said the world has not been this close to a global conflict since World War II. "The confrontation between Israel and Iran is moving towards a regular war in the region that may destabilise the whole world," the prime minister wrote on social media.
tvpworld.com/87289600/europe-presses-iran-for-talks-as-poland-warns-of-war

Poland has traditionally had good relations with Iran. The Shah of Iran helped Polish refugees in WWII and Poland donated millions of zl of Vaccines during the COVID crisis.

If this situation escalates, it will affect us all. We are very close to a World War.

"The Iran War"

Not surprising that a big British Zionist stooge like yourself dodges Israel's provocations. You're obviously too scared to admit the truth. Instead, you blame Iran like the real instigator was never there and had nothing to do with it. Pathetic.

And speaking of British Zionist stooges, here is a VERY interesting statement made by Permanent Representative Vassily Nebenzia at a UNSC Briefing following Israel's strikes on Iran:

I refer to reported possible coordination of actions between Israel and British special services - immediately after the Israeli strikes on Iran the British sheltered the Israeli aircraft involved in the operation at their base in Cyprus.

russiaun.ru/en/news/iran_130625

That's irrelevant. Behave.

This is a war that could potentially affect all of us in Poland.

The only direct effect so far is President Nawrocki's plane being delayed and an embassy in Warsaw belonging to one of the two belligerents closing temporarily.


As you would know if you lived in Poland, Polish public opinion is firmly behind Israel.

I noticed Iran has been hitting Israeli targets with much greater efficiency and accuracy these past 24 hours.

If it's not the Iranians putting themselves back together, then I hope it's Russia and China offering support.

Iran just lost its top three commanders on the first day of the Israeli strikes. The chief of the general staff, the head of the IRGC, and their chief nuclear scientist.

I'm sure the Ayatollah is disoriented, and not sure who he can rely on. The three men killed possessed deep and specific knowledge, and without them Iran is substantially adrift.

It should be the job of Chinese and Russians to offer comradely help in this moment. Dust off and shake out the Iranians from their state of shock. Give them a reason to believe in themselves again.

They are a great nation, with a glorious history. They cannot be allowed to be defeated by this upstart organization.

Iran has exactly the same right to have nukes as any other nuke country.

Preemptive strikes are good as movie material but don't look good if directed at us - whoever "us" is.

See Iraq and 5 trillion bucks we dumped into that shlthole while snooping for those alleged WMDs we have plenty of.


Especially after Ukraine, you have every legal and moral right to do just that.

Preemptive strikes worked fantastically well in Iraq and Libya.

Saddam and Ghaddafi are dead - and there are no more problems in the world since.

Jokes aside - this is exactly what Mr. Donald Trump was elected on.... He is breaking his promises.

His staunchest supporter - Steve Bannon - says there will be a showdown within MAGA over this bullshit.

He says - Israel is "Israel First", and we should be "America First". I agree with the guy.

No more eternal wars.

That wasn't what killed him tnough.


No surprises there. He craps out of everything and it's very hard to believe he's really in charge. Fortunately their 'deep state' know what they're doing.

Yes they are and yes they have.

They are, however, also a totalitarian theocratic regime that enforces Islamic Sharia law in public and private life, especially for women, and suppresses any form of dissent - critics, journalists, activists, and protesters are regularly imprisoned, tortured, or executed. This totalitarian regime has directly and openly stated its aim of destroying Israel. So what was Israel supposed to do? Wait until Iran gets nukes and destroys them? Israel is a very courageous nation that has the guts to stand up against this tyrannical regime and stop them before they get the weapons of mass destruction. When somebody wants to destroy you, you have a commandment to destroy them first, and that's what Israel is doing.


But, Ryszard, you have spent the last three years explaining to everyone that Russia is not the aggressor, and that they only made a preemptive strike because NATO was encroaching on them. So make up your mind - is a nation entitled to a preemptive strike if it believes it's for their own survival or not?

It's called aiding and abetting and so it is entirely relevant.


No, it isn't. You're confused (or just outright lying, as usual). Your hasbara won't work here - go try a different forum that caters to Anglo-Zionist stooge Boomers like yourself.

...and so does sarcasm...

I can recognize your posts from it before I see "Bobko".


Pleeeease! I will give you ten bucks, jon, if you do it...

I'm afraid Polish public opinion is divided on the matter.

People are indeed tired with the eternal trouble in the Middle East, but I am quite sure that those who give it a moment of thoughtful consideration can see that Israel really had no other option but to do whatever it takes to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. The fact that they would like to force a government change in Iran is quite understandable too. Israel's in a zugzwang, their every move is pretty much forced.

There have been good times, and Poland remembered the help they'd had from Iran when the Chios were down and they couldn't get Covid vaccines.

There were problems just before that though; a minor diplomatic crisis and even recently, Iran was angry with Poland about some weapons (drones I th8 k) that had been diverted elsewhere.


I hear mostly pro-USA and pro-Israel sentiment. Pope JPII's praise of and affection for Israel ar a large part of that.


The regime and the people are so different. Remember the crisis a couple of years ago with all the demonstrations (and executions). We also forget that Iran is multicultural with Europeans living in the north east of the country,

A quick question (didactic, not rhetorical) - I just read a book about this). Do you know why the Shah named the modern state Iran rather than Persia?

Because it's not really just Persia. The wise Shah knew it and wanted the name to express more broader, more inclusive national identity.

Exactly that.

Europeans in the Northwest, Arabs in the south (where the oil is) and the Persians occupying a relatively small crescent in the hills. The rest is a huge salt desert and barren mountains.

Almost impossible to invade the Persian heartland. Vulnerable only to nukes, hybrid warfare and large scale conventional bombings.

...because it is not...

If you ignore the referenda, we can debate the details. With the referenda, the discussion is over.

In fact, the UN and the US should join Russia and help end this war soon enough for me to visit Russia.

Israel is the only country the US didn't counterattack after an act of naked aggression against the US. Not even a slap...

It's an open secret that Israel has nuclear weapons. It's a fact that Israel frequently carries out military aggression and assassinations against many of its neighbors (and even the United States, if you count its unprovoked and savage attack on the USS Liberty).

Every Zionist regime in Israel's relatively short history has sought to destabilize Iran. It's no surprise, then, that Iran would want nuclear weapons as well. Why on earth should a bully like Israel be the only country in the Middle East with weapons of mass destruction? Article 51 of the United Nations Charter states that every nation has an inherent right to self-defense.

And that right should be exercised proportionally.

Israel and its stooge supporters love to give moralizing lectures to the rest of the world. Rather than being a bunch of galling hypocrites, they should dismantle their own nuclear weapons program and open their borders to migration to put a permanent end to their ethno-theocratic racism-and to curb their psychotic need for WMDs as a means to maintain their racial and religious supremacist agenda.

And yet, unlike Iran, they don't threaten any country to use those weapons against them.

Are you saying Iran has an equivalent to Israel's Samson Option?

The Samson Option: Israel's Plan to Nuke Its Opponents

The Samson Option stands in contrast to doctrines embraced by other nuclear powers, such as "Mutually Assured Destruction" (MAD). Unlike MAD, Israel's Samson Option specifically threatens its non-nuclear opponents.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-samson-option-israel-s-plan-to-nuke-its-opponents/ar-BB1oWBZt

I am a simple man so I like simple answers to simple questions...

1. Why does Israel freak out about Iran and their calls "Death to Israel!"?

2. What should the US do in response to "Death to America" from the same source?

File an objection at the UN or kiil the mother fvckers?

My vote is in favor of the latter...but I am a mean sob...so maybe being nice is a better way...

Golden Cow's weakness has made this possible

Not sure that Israel has "no choice" but to attack Iran - especially at a fragile time like this. In 10 year many countries will have nukes, including Poland, so is Israel entitled to attack all of them ?

To me, threatening non-nuclear opponents is a lot smarter than doing it to those who have nukes...

Also... the opponent is a soccer team from another town. Guys who want you dead are called something else...


No, Golden Moron...Only those who mumble "Death to Israel' 24/7 - breakfast, lunch, and dinner...and in between...

Has Poland or any of those countries threatened to level Tel-Aviv to the ground?


Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons and hopefully they will never have them. States under Islamic sharia law who have explicitly expressed their genocidal intentions should not be allowed to have weapons of mass destruction.

As for Israel, if a country is surrounded by enemies who want to slaughter them - not just defeat their armies but murder the civilians as well - then they have full right to do anything not to let that happen. Iran's highest authorities explicitly stated that they would "destroy Tel Aviv and Haifa" and "wipe Israel off the map", so they shouldn't act surprised or shocked when Israel uses any means possible to destroy their nuclear program and change their murderous regime.

...you mean that unhappy minor incident on 10/7?

Now it's my turn to wish death...

Death to every single scum who danced after 9/11 - including women, children, and old geezers...

I pray for your death to be slow and painful...

Because they are extreme narcissists and would never admit that they are the source of dislike directed toward them.

I often hear that this phrase is a deliberate mistranslation aimed at Western audiences, and that Iran has called for the end of the Zionist regime in Israel, rather than the country or its people. This is sometimes demonstrated when real-time translations show Iranian officials referring to Israel in terms of Zionism. This makes sense too because apparently Iran has the largest Jewish population in the Middle East outside of Israel:

In Iran, Mideast's largest Jewish population outside Israel finds new acceptance by officials

foxnews.com/world/in-iran-mideasts-largest-jewish-population-outside-israel-finds-new-acceptance-by-officials


Again, it is a mistranslated critique of America's unquestioning devotion to Zionism.

America is suffering from being run by a Zionist cult.

A truly "America First" administration would treat Israel no differently than, say, Papua New Guinea.

But they don't, and haven't for decades.

It is a demographic and generational problem.

Most Christian Zionists are from the Confederate South, and it is obvious from their grotesque worshiping of Zionist Israel that they are still bitter about losing the Civil War-because Zionist Israel embodies the racist, segregationist state they once aspired to become before it was dashed.

Most Zionists (both Christian and Jewish) are Baby Boomers, and they willingly drank the Kool-Aid served up by their Frankfurt School teachers-to hate themselves, hate America, but always be eager to prove their philo-Semitism-so much so that they are willing to defend Zionist Israel to the last American dollar and the last drop of American blood (but of course, not their own-such sacrifices are to be made by younger generations).

Poland has no interest in this region of the world. Taking sides would be unwise.

Poland may have no choice in the matter.
British fighter jets could still be deployed to defend Israel from Iranian missiles, despite fears of the UK being dragged into a regional Middle East war.
Which no doubt would drag Poland into the war too.
Exciting times ain't it.

It does.

Aside from millions of złotych worth of trade (which has been decreasing but is still important, especially Styrene polymers) any conflict in that region may well make oil prices rocket, something Polish consumers, the Polish government and Polish businesses can ill afford.

As you know, Iran has a long coast on the Arabian Gulf. This is a huge risk to oil shipments and other trade (including exports from Poland. Plus the billions of dollars of trade between Poland and countries bordering Iran. This will be affected if the war continues to escalate


Poland has already taken sides. It is part of the western alliance. It cannot stay out of this as if it were Switzerland and at the same time expect help from other countries in the future.

I hope Iran will destroy Israel.

For you history nerds above, that discuss why Iran and not Persia...

The word "Iran" though ancient, was brought back into the popular milieu by the Ilkhanid Mongols, under a grandson of Hulegu.

The Ilkhanids (who were opposed to our Mongols - the Golden Horde, on account of their pitiable Islamism), were the first to apply this supranationalist label to this geographic territory. To make it easier to control. The later Timur's, Saffavids and Qajars found it useful and continued it.

If Europe has the Peace of Westphalia, then the East has Genghis Khan - that set most modern boundaries.

We all heard that hollow argument before.

Poland contributed roughly 2,000-2,500 troops to Iraq and Afghanistan, suffering around 60 deaths and nearly one thousand injuries across both conflicts.

Are Iraq and Afghanistan better off today?

No.

Is Poland?

No.

I take it back - I don't want them to be destroyed, but it would be nice if at least they disabled them to the extent where they can't occupy the Golan Heights and Southern Lebanon Willy-nilly.

That would be nice!