Will Poland help defend Greenland against US Imperialism

....thing is, I'm with all that still more team Trump!

You know my stance about the ME and my support for Israel in its war against Hamas and all the other mad islamist terrorist nutters. To call Netanjahu a war criminal comes out the same bin like calling Israels defense war a "genocide", its just leftist crap!

And no the US didn't need to declare Maduro illegitimate, he WAS official illegitimate, not many people are crying now in sympathy for him!


The Left would very much like that....but I would still prefer to live in the Team US than in anything the Left comes up with, sorry!

Judeo-America, and it will only get worse - end times are coming.

As you know, for the last couple of months I have been studying the Hebrew language, watching Jewish YT channels and interacting with Jews online. It is extremely difficult to engage in this kind of activities without developing strong anti-semitism but I'm trying not to.

Hahahaha!

I thought travel and language acquisition was fatal to prejudice?!

Are you saying that it is the reverse? The more you learn, the less you are impressed?


Now you are arguing for the continuance of the US monopoly - and against any alternative schemes? Not very democratic, no?

People should have options in terms of how they move their money, and how they travel - I thought you might agree with that at least?

I find it shocking that you are willing to celebrate the trampling of European's rights as punishment for calling a spade a spade.

Why not?

As long as any alternative can again voted out of power, whats undemocratic about it?

It was Maduro who faked the elections, it's Putin who throws differentminded people out of windows, when he not orders them poisoned....Trump was voted into office, two times, in official legal and acknowledged elections...see the difference?


Erm....we better end this here now, Bobko....we should return later with cooler heads!

*bows out*

Well... let me just say that Jews are special. Very special.

But, of course, I am not an anti-semite... yet.

Of course, of course...


Ahhh, was just about to list you another dozen ways in which America has recently interfered in EU and British affairs.

Not that that bothers me particularly - perhaps its deserved comeuppance for the Europeans that spent the last 500 years intervening in everyone else's business.

Very well - to be continued.

Incidentally, as a history teacher, don't imagine I think Trump has a precedent on imperialism!!

If we recall learning in school, the Spanish-American War was a trumped up conflict (no pun intended.LOL) back in 1898, during which a newspaper mogul, William Randolph Hearst, a private citizen, influenced the president to declare war on Cuba.

Yes, but only because the countries of Central America are so much smaller than those of Africa where "popular revolutions" resulted in USSR-back communists coming to power.

@Lazarus
A lot of those revolutions were indeed popular the west always backed the money men at the expense of the people. Vietnam being the prime example, the NLA fought alongside the organisation that became the CIA to free their country and were later betrayed by the CIA. Is it any wonder they turned to the Soviets and China at different times. The same is true in both Africa and Latin America.

Seid immer bereit, as some say

Based on Trump's criminal record, it's possible he made a deal with Putin for Russia to stage a fake attack on Greenland, giving the U.S. a pretext to seize it from Denmark.

I wasn't aware that Vietnam was part of Africa. What interesting maps you must have in the Free Counties.


At this point North Nigeria couldn't manage a fake attack on a dead sheep without being badly savaged.


At which point the EU Member States tank the US economy by dumping US debt and imposing sanctions and tank the US currency by saying that from now on all oil for EU markets will be bought and sold in euro.

Cuba may be the next US target because technocrat billionaires need cobalt:

World Cobalt Production by Countries

7. Cuba

Cobalt production: 3,500 metric tons

Going to disagree with that. It's not only leftists. It's what has come out of the mouths of some of Bibi's deputies and first-hand accounts of former US military who were working in Gaza to deliver aid that changed my mind that its merely a defense war with a bit of collateral lives lost sprinkled in.


You think the US has the right to go into a sovereign country, drop some bombs and extract anyone perceived as illegimate? Granted, the execution was VERY impressive, but is it right?

I fear the moral vacuum is becoming absolute.

Told you so, you should listen to me, I might not know much, but I know what I know. :)
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Has it ever existed in governmental circles? Dropping nukes on Japan wasn't necessary; all those killed there were civilians. I think that Christian morality is not high on the list of the leadership.

Surely there are jurisdictional issues about what has happened.


Plus China dumping currency reserves as well as the end of their variously deals about AI data centres in Europe.

@AntV
It had nothing to do with legitimacy. He had a warrant for his arrest since 2020.

I virtually shake your hand!

You are a good and decent American.

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Tell me - what do you think about the legal merits of the case?

The other precedents - Noriega and Hernandez seem different. Different in that:

1) In Noriega's case the evidence was unusually strong. As in, there were recorded conversations, banking records, and direct testimony from narcotraffickers he had personally worked with. He really was a gangster general straight out of a movie, with golden toilets and golden telephones.

2) In Hernandez's case: (a) He was no longer president (b) Honduran authorities cooperated fully and granted extradition (c) he accepted bribes from traffickers (d) he used state security forces to guard shipments (e) he explicitly promised protection in exchange for money.

In Maduro's case:

1) The US government instead insists that he created a "permissive environment". This would be eminently easy for Maduro to deny, and his lawyers will likely drill this line of defense for all it's worth. He can claim he was naive to instances of lax enforcement by government agencies, or blame bad actors within the system while still claiming ignorance.

2) An earlier National Intelligence Council report refuted Trump's claims that there was any connection between his government and Tren de Aragua.

The only thing that I think can sink Maduro is:

1) Recorded conversations

2) Some very solid witnesses

3) An actual paper trail

For some reason I think these are absent. So the main line of the prosecution's attack will be the "permissive environment" argument, which when compared against the relevant statutes doesn't quite measure up.

This is why I think they threw in the machine gun and grenades charges against him and his wife, as a sort of insurance. If the narcoterrorism charges don't stick, they can still put him in jail for a good amount of time on those insane charges.

In this way - America will be able to keep him for some time longer as a bargaining chip without having to let him free. It would be tremendously embarrassing, that the government had to resort to machine gun charges to keep a foreign president jailed - but likely less embarrassing than kidnapping him and then having to let him go.

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Anyway - you know more about how this can play out than me, so I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

🙂. I can't remember, were you arguing Israel doesn't have a right to exist, Palestine was a country, etc or were you arguing something else?


Well, if morality is about ordering actions toward the good, then I'd say it has to one degree or another.


Yeah, by another country. This arrest warrant is the definition of a slippery slope argument. All a country needs to do to legitimize taking out another country's leader is to issue an arrest warrant.

This has nothing to do with the arrest warrant. He was removed because of strategic geopolitical goals. The arrest warrant was the Bush WMD argument-something to sell to the public.

@Bobko

Frankly, I haven't seen the actual indictment, so I can't speak to the legal points.

The minute I heard we were deeming certain countries narco-terrorists, I knew we were drumming something up. Trump's admin paved a path to get to where we are at. It's all contrived to reach certain geopolitical goals. In this sense, whether they can actually convict Maduro or not is irrelevant-the time this will take to get to trial will be long enough for the geopolitical goals to succeed (or fail).

I cannot articulate how disgusted I am to agree with some of these anti-Trump protest freaks. We may have completely different reasons for being against this operation, but makes me want to vomit to agree with their protesting the action.

This is correct, I feel.


Haha!

It's not just anti-Trump protest freaks.

It's MTG. It's Tucker. Perhaps the two people most responsible for Trump's election - that feel he is breaking the promises he campaigned on.

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Have you been following what MTG has been saying?

I made this post a couple days ago:

https://polishforums.com/off-topic/american-special-military-operation-venezuela-89089/5/#msg2053689

Same sentiment as yours. I felt I was having a brain hemorrhage because I found myself agreeing with nearly everything she said.

People who protest against that character are hardly "freaks" and given his abysmal approval ratings, we are likely to see far more protests and a very nice protest vote come the midterms.


As Head of State he had a right to do so.

This adventure is very likely to rebound on them.

I return to post #367.
Trump is by no means the most egregious offender.

The strangest aspect of this whole story is that Trump recently pardoned the former Honduran president... who went to an American jail for directly contributing to the smuggling of 400 tons of cocaine into the country.

Now he's kidnapped a guy based on an indictment that contains no claim of:

1) Maduro personally receiving suitcases of cash.

2) Maduro personally coordinating shipments.

3) Maduro personally using U.S. banks.

4) Or any single "smoking gun" document or recording.

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Some kind of Alice in Wonderland situation.

I wonder if now Maduro will invest in Trump's sons' businesses and also get an eventual pardon - bringing things full circle.

Or is that too much? Too fantastic?

He was a rightwingnut. Plus of course the money.

trump doesn't care a fig about justice or the rule of law. Nor do his henchmen. trump cares about making back the money he lost from his inheritance and glorifying his wretched reputation and his cronies care about fascism and their own personal careers.


Not too fantastic at all, however I'd guess that the trump crime family and some of their backers will be milking Venezuela for everything they can get.

Which is a strange thing considering he will be 80 this year. One might think that at this age people care about something more than money they will never be able to spend anyway... like leaving the world a better place, living in grateful memory of people whose lives were changed for the better and not only those who will inherit the wealth... I don't know.

Chasing money at 80, when average lifespan of males in the US is 76 years, so you can die any day really, seems somewhat nonsensical, doesn't it?

No, I was arguing that what Israel is doing in Gaza is intentional, that it is calculated, ethnic cleansing and genocide aimed at removing Arabs from those lands that Israel claims for its own. I haven't said that, but it stands to reason that you can't see that because of Zionist propaganda in the US, where all those neo-cons have one answer to all that - Israel has the right to exist. As if an act of pointing out their crimes, erase the right of Israel to exist.
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It's semantic; Palestine existed during Roman times, within the Ottoman Empire, and as part of the British mandate. Granted, it was always a province or a region that was part of a larger entity, but this does not negate the fact that it is a real region with real people who have lived there for millennia.

That's exactly what he is and I don't know what else you would call the systematic destruction of the Palestinian people by indiscriminate bombing and starvation, other than a genocide. Nothing 'leftist' about it.


I was fully expecting for all the Americans on PF to be cheering but you've given me hope because what the US has done is unacceptable and very, very wrong. Scary to think what Trump will do next.

This has nothing to do with drugs or the US would be invading Mexico. Plus, how can he pardon former Honduran president Hernandez for drug trafficking to the US and then arrest Maduro on drug-trafficking charges. This is all about exploiting the resources in both Venezuela and Greenland and Trump sending a message.

Greed is a terrible thing.

Not so strange; it's been a long term obsession and he's addled with age now.


He lacks any sort of empathy and doesn't give a flying fandango about changing other people's lives for the better. He has a proven history of scamming and harming people.


Not really, and I've known people older than him doing just that. Some people think they'll go on for ever,

As Feniks said, greed is a terrible thing.

He is certainly getting more addled with age and is starting to lose it..... the great American Saviour is no more!


Agreed with you and Feniks!