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Poland and Germany should unite, says Lech Walesa


Crow  154 | 9248
30 Nov 2013   #61
TheOther

when Slavs win they would write their history. Soon to be, very soon

:)
TheOther  6 | 3596
30 Nov 2013   #62
I envy your optimism and dedication... ;)
Harry
30 Nov 2013   #63
Crow, you can keep lying about it as much as you want, but the simple fact is that Poles joined together with Germans to fight against Serbs.
McDouche  6 | 282
1 Dec 2013   #64
After the fall of the Wall, pan-German identity became more important than at practically any time since the end of WWII, McDouche, you don't know what you're talking about!

You're talking about something else. There was no popular movement to unite all Germanic-speaking nations.
Wlodzimierz  4 | 539
1 Dec 2013   #65
Not amongst the mainstream population, McDouche! However there always crops up some adjit-prop fringe group which asserts its insane desire to re-annex fomer "Prussia" with the present German republicLOL
delphiandomine  86 | 17823
1 Dec 2013   #66
There was no popular movement to unite all Germanic-speaking nations.

No, nothing apart from National Socialism.
Crow  154 | 9248
1 Dec 2013   #67
Crow, you can keep lying about it as much as you want, but the simple fact is that Poles joined together with Germans to fight against Serbs.

i never denied power of EU, did i
McDouche  6 | 282
2 Dec 2013   #68
No, nothing apart from National Socialism.

I was referring to the previous poster's claim about there being a movement during the fall of the Berlin Wall.
PlasticPole  7 | 2641
2 Dec 2013   #69
They are already united. It's called the EU.
Crow  154 | 9248
27 Aug 2021   #70
No need for more then that, God knows.
Cojestdocholery  2 | 986
2 Apr 2022   #71
I wonder IF after their Russian romance failed would they be considering to have an real alliance with Poland?
Alien  23 | 5533
3 Apr 2022   #72
As @PlasticPole 2013 wrote they are already united...in the EU and now much more economically united than 2013.
jon357  72 | 22950
1 day ago   #73
This shocked me.

A verdict is expected in the trial of a former officer in the East German secret police who stands accused of the murder of a Polish firefighter at a Berlin border crossing 50 years ago.

Martin Naumann, now 80, is accused of shooting Czesław Kukuczka in the back at close range on 29 March 1974 as Kukuczka walked towards the last in a series of control posts at a transit area in the divided city, having been told he had a free pass to escape to West Berlin.


theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/14/trial-former-stasi-officer-martin-naumann-1974-berlin-shooting-czeslaw-kukuczka

Hard to understand why the trial is in Germany rather than Poland.
mafketis  38 | 10907
1 day ago   #74
Hard to understand why the trial is in Germany rather than Poland.

Trials almost always take place where the alleged crime was committed.
jon357  72 | 22950
1 day ago   #75
True, however the case now is happening as a result of a EAW from Poland who do prefer to try some cases themselves.
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 11675
1 day ago   #76
Germany's BILD made it to its headline now....

bild.de/regional/berlin/prozess-in-berlin-zehn-jahre-haft-fuer-stasi-mord-von-1974-670cd17a1970835c9d86110c

Google translation:

Berlin - Around 50 years after a fatal shot at the former GDR border crossing at Friedrichstrasse station, former Stasi officer Manfred N. (80) has been sentenced to ten years in prison.

The Berlin Regional Court found the 80-year-old man from Leipzig guilty of murdering the Polish victim. The defendant's defense attorney had called for an acquittal. It has not been proven that her client was the shooter, said attorney Andrea Liebscher.

The Berlin public prosecutor's office had requested twelve years in prison. The verdict is not final.....


www-bild-de.translate.goog/regional/berlin/prozess-in-berlin-zehn-jahre-haft-fuer-stasi-mord-von-1974-670cd17a1970835c9d86110c?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
jon357  72 | 22950
1 day ago   #77
zehn-jahre

Probably as much as it should be given his age. He'll do less than that probably, perhaps in a prison hospital.
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 11675
1 day ago   #78
I wonder about that though.....

It has not been proven that her client was the shooter, said attorney ....

Hasn't it????
jon357  72 | 22950
1 day ago   #79
Hasn't it????

I'm pretty sure it has. They tried to dispose of the records however they were found by a Polish researcher.
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 11675
1 day ago   #80
Yeah....otherwise he wouldn't hadn't gotten 10 years....it was known that the STASI tried to destroy every and all proof they got their dirty hands on...
jon357  72 | 22950
1 day ago   #81
Authoritarian regimes tend to do that. You don't need me to tell you though that Germany is strong on paperwork and maybe there was just so much that a lot slipped through the net.


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