Germany's Socio-Political Climate and Its Impact on Poland

But those statistics, I'm sure only apply to the welfare economics of Denmark. I don't know how much they pay for child benefit, how much they pay for pensions, and it is a mistake to assume that that logic would translate to other countries, like Poland, where benefits are at a far lower level than in in the bike riding countries.

If I wanted to, I could find studies whole communities of white working class in the "developed" world which are dependent on the welfare state and make a negative contribution. West Virginia, Ayrshire, parts of Northern France etc.

But in any case, whatever the net long term economics people are simply needed to do the work. Again today in Warsaw, I think that 80% of the entry-level people I have transacted with - cleaners, cashiers, cab, drivers, bar staff are immigrants. And this is in a country with quite generous pro natal policies.

On the social issues, there is a discussion that needs to be had. But you are in danger of turning into a single issue guy like the one you posted earlier this morning.

So randos from dysfunctional chaotic societies that manage to cross the border should get the same support as citizens? Why even have countries then?

Again, your counter arguments to research is anecdotal... no one has been able to make the numbers work for MENA immigration to Europe yet it continues unabated... again, how is that sustainable?


Which only works if you can get them into jobs.... many/most of the boat/border arrivals in Europe simply don't have the life skills that make them employable. Ukrainians do, Afghanis mostly don't.

Being an employee means getting out of bed and getting yourself to your job on time even on days when you don't want to.

It means taking orders from someone even if you don't agree.

It means maybe taking orders from a person you're conditioned to think of as lower status.

It means doing what your employer wants you to and not just whatever you feel like.

It means being nice to people when they're rude to you.

It means being able to work with people that you don't like.

You would be surprised how many of the permanent poor don't have those basic skills....