Poland has always had one problem - as soon as the state collapsed, both Russia and Germany rushed to take us over and make sure we never recover again.
The problem is sort of still relevant in modern times, in my opinion. Do you have the impression that former countries of the Duchy of Lithuania (Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine) are set against us with nonsense historical arguments on purpose ?
Normal countries try to resolve historical controversies in order to advance their geopolitical futures, especially if they have common interests and backgrounds. The former Lithuanian countries (I'll call them that for simplicity's sake) seem to be all to keen to keep annoying us with political nonsense.
Lithuania - they refuse to give Polish roadsigns in predominantly Polish areas. What the hell is that all about ? It's a European standard to do that, other countries do that, especially in the Carpathian Basin, where loads of Hungarians were displaced because of Hungary shrinking in size. I understand them being politically unfriendly to Russia, but Poland ? We're hardly keen on invading them, are we ? We're not particularly interested in polonising them either. Only a few weirdos believe in that.
Ukraine - the OUN UPA problem. I understand the Ukrainians' need to have national heroes. UPA was their great chance to get independence back. And Poland wasn't exactly very friendly or respectful to Ukraine before. But they killed loads of our people, and we didn't commit any atrocity even compatible to theirs against us. But when circumstances change, one has to adapt. Ukraine has remained in this useless conflict with Poland (nobody's interested in changing the present border arrangement in Europe, and nobody's interested in ethnically cleansing others out of some areas anymore), and I don't really see a real reason for it. Can't both sides just go for an agreement ?
For me it seems as if there are foreign interest in this. It's in the interest of Germany/France to keep us separated so they can treat us as their economic colonies. They don't want us cooperating and creating our own sphere of influence, as we used to have. Russia definitely doesn't want us and Ukrainians to be friends. And the Poroshenko government is very pro-Berlin. Is this all just a mere coincidence ?
Trolls, keep out, I don't want any ad personal or nonsense provocations, because you don't agree with me.
Isn't it interesting how these things are always written with major transference errors, which are characteristic of Russian native speakers and not of Polish native speakers?
I do. I can tell you this guy made none of the typical mistakes that native Russian speakers make. We would expect to see a lack of prepositions where they belong, and prepositions added into places they don't belong. For instance at the very end where he said "you don't agree with me," a native Russian speaker would make the common mistake of "you don't agree to me." In fact, I'd like to ask Delph what if anything in that guys entire writing makes him think the guy is a native Russian speaker? Point out the transference errors. I see none, he used no typical Russian grammar rules when writing in English.
Now the topic of this diatribe is similar to the stuff that comes out of 55 Savushkina, but really lacks a lot of typical 'what about isms' that you'd expect to find. I think Delph, you're using this 'Russian troll' thing as an excuse like you did in your last posting. So, again, please point out which specific transference errors you're referring to.
a native Russian speaker would make the common mistake of "you don't agree to me."
The English phrase "You don't agree with me" translates into Russian as "Вы не согласны со мной", so I don't really understand why a Russian speaker should say it as "You don't agree to me" since the English counterpart of the Russian preposition 'co' is 'with' precisely.
I'm talking about the mistakes I hear in everyday language when speaking English with Russian speakers. There are a load of prepositions missing where they should be, or improperly used choices of prepositions and conjunctions, or added in where there should be none. Anyone who has spoken to Russian native speakers for long enough can rattle off a list of errors in everyday speaking, which clearly Delph has never heard because what the OP wrote sounded fine.
Common things you'd hear... "join to us" instead of join us........ Go out from your apartment, instead of "come out"......... "one my friend" instead of "one OF my friends"....
The OP may not be a native English speaker, although I see no reason to believe that, but he wrote nothing that resembles the way a native Russian speaker would write in English.
Hear, hear Ziemowit! If you don't correct, they'll never learn:-)
As to the thread title, Poland is geopolitically damned if she does and damned if she doesn't! Historically, Poland has had to bear the brunt of some pretty harsh and bellicose neighbors, Germany to the West, Russia to the East. One heck of a pickle to find oneself in, I'd say.
BTW, thanks for ruining my post with nonsense tinfoil Russian conspiracy theories. Most of my mistakes are because I'm just a clumsy writer, I sometimes omit entire segments of sentences or single words.
Besides, the following sentences, from my own post may I add, would make me a really lame FSB troll:
"I understand them [Ukraine] being politically unfriendly to Russia, but Poland ?"
"Russia definitely doesn't want us and Ukrainians to be friends."
Very Russia friendly indeed. As I said before, if you want to troll posts, then just back off, I like talking serious politics, not simple minded headlines from MSM.
Poland has had to bear the brunt of some pretty harsh and bellicose neighbors, Germany to the West, Russia to the East.
Poland could be like them if the Polish elites had decided to have a strong state. They chose otherwise, a weak state, and it resulted in partitions. Simple.
They don't want us cooperating and creating our own sphere of influence
That's a valid point. If Poland truly united with the Baltic countries and the former Czechoslovakia + Hungary, it would create a very strong Central Europe which Germany or France don't want as they would lose their strong influence in EU.
It's unlikely to think about that because we know it's not going to happen, maybe unless more people realize it would be in their best interests long term. I believe most Polish people realize that, but they cannot act alone.
The Baltic states and the Czechs would never trust Polish politicians and their delusions of grandeur.
I would say you have a delusion of being an intelligent person. Nobody holds it against you. The Baltic needs Poland, not the other way around. As to Chechs, who needs them? As long as they stay neutral is good enough. Of course, if they volunteer to join, they would be welcome. ----
They would recommend a swift POLEXIT,
It is a good idea.Poland primarily needs access to the market, especially the German market. This access would be granted, as it is in Germany's interest to maintain economic relations with Poland. As for the other countries, they can go ahead and look after themselves.
The Baltic needs Poland, not the other way around. As to Chechs, who needs them?
Don't flatter yourself. In reality, nobody needs Poland. Especially not the EU, which will have a much better chance to prosper without its East European leeches. I blame BLiar for the current mess.
Well, at least they were a net payer. For all I'm concerned, Polish big-mouth politicians may be allowed to sit at the grown-up table once the country starts paying its fair share.
Don't flatter yourself. In reality, nobody needs Poland.
I'm talking about the real world, not about your made-up reality. ---
the EU, which will have a much better chance to prosper without its East European leeches.
Good luck to them. Who needs Western losers profiting from their accumulated wealth and exploitation of Eastern Europe? Enjoy your influx of migrants; I mean, the boat people, they are arriving steadily. Have fun. You Britons deserve it after you sold Rhodesia down the river.
At this point, if a coalition with other Slavic countries doesn't succeed (it won't succeed because the other countries are p**ssies), the only way for Poland to become a significant nation, rather than just a less prosperous neighbor of Germany or France, is to develop into a strong military state.
Poland and its soldiers have the potential to serve as the "policeman" of the EU. The US and NATO would then invest funds in equipment, anti-missile shields, and nuclear power to deter Russia. Perhaps now is one in a century opportunity for Poland to build on that. Imagine -- Poland as the Israel of Europe.
The US and NATO would then invest funds in equipment, anti-missile shields, and nuclear power to deter Russia.
That's as circular as it ever gets....
Russia told Western warmongers not to expand NATO 2475 times. NATO did just that...again and again... Russia reacted when Ukraine was next.
And now the warmongers, including Russia-obssessed Polaks, scream: Oh, my God, Russia is a threat...We have to "invest funds in equipment, anti-missile shields, and nuclear power to deter Russia".
The morons never answer this basic question: Why the fvck would Russia want to invade any part of Europe after voluntarily giving it up? Becaue Russia has MICC or lacks land?
Or is it the vast resources the Baltics and Poland are so famous for? Yeah, must be that Polish oil Russia is running out of...
Moreover, capitalism was still a new frame of mind for those "former" Soviets! It is primarily for this reason that corruption, bribery and so forth was so rampant during the '90's, since the Russian people on the whole had little to no experience with Western-style Free Market economy.
To put it bluntly, people went crazy trying to make up for what was now believed to be nearly half-a-century of lost time, taking only the scummy parts of capitalism with none of the quality incentive necessary to manufacture American, certainly German, products, particularly in the automotive sector.
This doesn't alter the fact that the erstwhile Soviet Union was struggling, grappling, with an entirely foreign system of government and economics, for which she was most ill-equipped.
Reminds me a little of Weimar Germany before the rise of Hitler. German democracy?? What a joke and as of '33, the joke was on the German people.
It means nohting by itself because it depends on GDP includes. Context is everything.
If the US stopped making those idiotic tanks and artillery, reduced military budget from the insane 1T to 200B, and closed all the bases all over the world, its GDP would fall down, too.
