European News and Poland Thread - part 4

Anybody who'd heard of the Dublin mechanism knew. Unfortunately that excludes about 95% of those who voted for Brexit.


Do you happen to have any data to support the claim that more than 50% of migrants are criminals? Or is your claim simply along the same lines of the claims made by Der Stürmer about most Jews being criminals?

See? The Dublin mechanism collapsed years ago and anyone who doesn't realize that is retarded.


How many arrive without passports?

How many ngos coach them on what to say to bypass normal immigration rules?

What happens to

Their mere presence in the UK is evidence of criminal intent. What would happen to random Joe Blow with a passport who sails from Hoek van Holland to Harwich to get around UK immigration/border control?

What happens to Ahmed from Iraq who destroys his passport and uses his fake rehearsed spiel about how repressed he is at home?

Denial of that will not improve the situation.

Yet the failed Conservative government buried their heads in the sand, leaving it for their successors to sort out. It is a complex task.


My feeling too, however thanks to the United Nations, if they claim asylum, their case has to be considered and they have to be accommodated. The accommodation is in dumps (I have been in one) however to hear the righturd moaners, you'd think they were living in luxury.


Denial of that was what the conservatives were doing. Partly through incompetence and partly because they knew they'd be out of office for a decade and wouldn't have to deal with it. Now, asylum applications are being processed and visa overstayers are being deported.


Of course not.

Some of them are actually disappointed when a serious crime hits the breaking news and the perp turns out to be white.

How many have arrived since 'one in one out' began?

How many have been sent out?

That's barely started and is neither here nor there.


About 35,000.as of a month or so ago.

Ah, that old chestnut! Many of those were deported when the Torries were in power, some volunteered, others were paid to leave. The correct number, since they signed the deal with France, is 6 out and 3500 in.

I'm surprised they've gotten 6 out!

The problem is that this is a bi-partisan issue and both sides just want to blame the other.

Also both sides are stuck on an outdated narrative about how cool multiculturalism is and how the UK can welcome anyone! (there's more than a trivial amount of racism involved too as both sides essentially adhere to a new version of the White Man's Burden).

A new narrative is needed badly but both labor and tories are sniping at each other and ignoring the demands of the citizenry.

No they weren't. That is the number for a year to 1/9/25.


Under the deal with France, if 6 go out, 6 ome in.

You obviously believe the propaganda, largely coming fromn malign state actors.


History. Sadly, history that has had devastating effects.


The demands of the 'citizenry' were for a Labour government. The biggest issue among voters polled is the Health Service, something that still works despite being deliberately run down.

No, she wasn't lying, just giving her objective assessment.

How come 3500 have come in since the 6 went out?

The labour government believes that people in third world countries can't possibly be expected to run their own countries and the UK has a special burden to deal with their mess....

The thing with Labour is they don't want to stop the boats, because they're depending on the Muslim vote for next general election. If the truth be known, the Muslims will probably ignore Labour and vote for their own Muslim candidates.

More fantasy.

The Tories started them, Labour are trying to g to stop them.


One reason that it's a fantasy that Labour are somehow OK with the current wave of migration.
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Anyone who has "come in" has nothing to do with the 1 in 1 out deal, have they...

I'm still waiting to hear about the mobile phones and driving lessons that you claimed the public purse is providing

That is why you need a well functioning institution with competent people outside the political system that the states draws it's people from. Tiny form of technocracy, Norway has it, U.K has it and until recently U.S.A had it which is being demolished since they have been seen as protectors of the swamp.

Germany used to have it's «Jünckers» who were on a constant eternal conflict with Poland, sabotaging any efforts of trade, peace and mutual Co-existence as they saw their positions and lifestyles threatened by a larger Poland (until Prussia carved Poland up and later on became Germany, creating a superiority complex and still blocking for the merchants, traders and investors as much as possible)

Russia used to it's Boyars, but as Bobko has explained we're slowly changed out by German elites slowly over time due to German rulers or influence within Tsarist family. Nepotism followed right after and halted or slowed down growth instead of the opposite.

Quite the opposite effect then the German elites that moved to Norway to rule or convey Denmarks orders and wishes, until France and Denmark got beaten during Napoleon and through intricate schemes were able to hold on to power and wealth even to this day by not causing trouble and be of most possible assistance as they knew they were far outnumbered and knew from experience that ruling in Norway without some form of consensus was impossible.

Time went on and most things stayed the same.
Elites, institutions, competence and wellfunctioning educational sector is vital for a states performance, which most power hungry groups, monarchs or dictators rather be without if possible as their fear of losing power caused by it is too great.

Well, the good news for Britain is that Reform is on the rise.

In America, that has been declining ever since corporate life became more desirable for the most talented. They more often nowadays work in big business rather than public service.

In 50 years, Reform will be at 40% - just as Muslims in Londonistan...and possibly the rest of that God-forsaken country ... on a suicide mission...with that stiff upper lip...How manly...

Just remember, UK over 80% white USA less than 60% white...... I think your prospects are worse than ours......people in glass houses and all that!

The Rwanda plan was a deal set up by the previous Conservative government. It entailed sending UK asylum seekers to Rwanda where they would remain if their claims were successful. It was to be used as a deterrent to stop the boats crossing to the UK but was fraught with legal challenges and would have cost an absolute fortune. As it was, the £270 million it cost the government hasn't been returned and when the new Labour government came into power, the deal was scrapped.

The one-in-one-out deal is an agreement between the UK and France set up by the current Labour government.

France will take back migrants that have travelled by boat to the UK and entered illegally in exchange for asylum seekers who do meet immigration rules. This is also supposed to be a deterrent. Given that hundreds of people are arriving here on an almost daily basis, this, in my opinion, is farcical.


Exactly that.


I don't agree because they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. Immigration, healthcare, and the cost of living etc are the issues people worry about most and if those can't be fixed. or a substantial difference seen, then I don't see Labour winning the next election.

Labour hasn't got a snowballs chance in hell of winning the next election. Kier Starmer has made sure of that already. The Tories are finished too.

No, they do, but they don't know how to or if they do they don't have the balls to do it!


Agreed.

@Miloslaw

Don't compare our blacks with your Muslims. Different people, different problem.

In the DC, deploying 200 National Guards solved the black problem literally in hours.

What's the cure for your Muslim cancer? Recall that 3 to 1 ratio before you reply.

THose, and industrial development, are what the government is busy dealing with. Those are the issues (rather than migration, a topic which some here seem to obsess on, that and transgender people) that the voters have said are the biggest problems.


Remember the 14 years of Tory chaos. Lots of soundbites aout Rwanda and nothing happened except an increase.

Quoting:

The UK spent approximately £5.4 billion on its asylum system in 2023/24, with around £3 billion of that total specifically for housing asylum seekers in hotels. These costs reflect accommodation, resettlement, and other asylum-related support, and the total has significantly increased from earlier years, driven largely by the cost of hotel accommodation for asylum seekers.

Not included: schools, incarceration, deportations...

You are either naturally stupid or a woman.

Far less than is extracted from the country every year by private companies who profit from running public infrastructure.

Blame the conservatives for both things; they happened on their watch.

Thats no laughing matter for the Left!

If a growing number of people feels disappointed by what the conservatives deliver they more often than not chose the right-extremists next time...hence their growing.

Actually the western Left should hope for a strong conservative voice in their countries, supporting not fighting them additionally....but that is probably to much asked for!

Fortunately we didn't.

New rightwing parties are always good though since they split the conservative vote nicely.

I blame it on stupid Brits who trust their ruling mob.

You and other Brits never bring this subject on your own ... only in response...

When you respond, it's with tepid excuses...while your country is systematically being destroyed.

Everyone should.

Conservatives have ended the trans idiocy.

Aren't you relieved to know that a guy you want to fvck is in fact a guy, not a chick?