European News and Poland Thread - part 4

Though thinking about it, Maf, what you've just described is Capitalism.

Fortunately we voted a Democratic Socialist party in.

Yes, but only if they want to appeal on certain grounds. If they just want to appeal because they want to go to Windsor Castle, no, they don't have a right to appeal. If they just want to appeal because, for example, they have been refused under some aspects of the EU Settlement Scheme or because they have claimed asylum, yes, they do have a right to appeal.


That might sound tough and so on, but do you have any idea how much it would cost?


The problem is that the only proven way to stop the boats is to rejoin the Dublin mechanism, but that involves rejoining the EU and the thick northern racists who decide any election these days don't want that.

It would save money in the long run.


The "Dublin mechanism" failed catastrophically during its first stress test and is for all intents and purposes dead.

Try something else.

''The problem is that the only proven way to stop the boats is to rejoin the Dublin mechanism, but that involves rejoining the EU and the thick northern racists who decide any election these days don't want that.''

The boats are coming from the EU, so if you wanted to stop the boats from coming, I don't see how rejoining would help in this case?

Where would you rather be for a year: an active war zone, followed by the rest of your life there, or a British prison camp, followed by possibly the rest of your life in the UK? So, where's the deterrent?


When the UK benefitted from the Dublin mechanism the numbers crossing in small boats was in the dozens each year (if any at all), now it's in the tens of thousands. That said, the small boats crossings are little more than a distraction from the overall numbers, which are themselves just a distraction from bigger issues.

Migrants in the UK are just the latest in a long line of scapegoats on whom the ills of society are blamed. The UK certainly does have problems, but most of those can be attributed to two things: Brexit and failure to collect taxes. Brexit has caused a 4.5% drop in UK GDP, but Starmer won't even mention it, for fear of upsetting the thick northern racists who now swing elections. And the rich frankly take the p!ss when it comes to not paying UK tax. That c*nt Bamford alone owes half a billion quid in unpaid income tax, and the Radford pr!ck saved seven billion by officially moving to Monte Carlo but still has his centre of vital interests in the UK.

They weren't coming then, since the legal mechanism existed to prevent it, and of course Micron is letting them cross as a form of hybrid warfare.

Everyone whinges about them; nobody has a plausible solution. And when our new Labour government actually try to sort it, the bollock faced gammons all blame them for the failings of the previous 14 years of rightwing misrule that caused the problem and during which the boats started.

quote=Lazarus]the small boats crossings are little more than a distraction from the overall numbers, which are themselves just a distraction from bigger issues.[/quote]
Very much so.

And the thing is, migration to Europe will only increase over the next few decades. And probably increase massively.


And of course the Tories privatising things. Selling off our national assets to corporate pirates that pay huge dividends and to whom we've also hat to pay 200 billion.

Anyone who thinks there's an easy answer isn't the person who has to fix that. Migration is not the biggest problem.


Less of the northern. I may be thick (at least my OH keeps saying "I love how it's so very thick" however it was us who got the Tories out.

'And the thing is, migration to Europe will only increase over the next few decades. And probably increase massively'

Yeah I agree, it will be interesting to see if the EU can successfully transition into an Islamic state without too much bloodshed, of course the year will have to change to 1417, which will be quite apt!

What war is going on in Albania? Dude....

"From 2018 to 2024, nationals of six countries accounted for 70% of all arrivals - Iran (17%), Afghanistan (15%), Iraq (12%), Albania (10%), Syria (9%), and Eritrea (8%)."

Are there wars going on in any of those?


Only if European governments allow it.... which most of them are at present.

That's a bit daft, especially as new Britons come from all over the world, all religions and cultures, however yes, nothing ever stays the same.

'Only if European governments allow it.... which most of them are at present'

I don't think they have a choice at this stage.

They can't stop climate change or the disparity in population growth, so time to understand that the world will be very different in the future.

dude.... migration is not gravity...(a physical law of the universe) and it is not like breathing oxygen (a non-negotiable feature of human existence).

migration is a series of choices....

Allowing unvetted Afghans into the country is a choice.

Allowing Pakistani led grooming gangs to brutalize thousands of young British women is a choice.

Allowing Albanian drug dealers and "Turkish" barber shop money laundering operations are all choices.

Putting a woman in prison for a social media post that was up for three hours is a choice.

Arresting Graham Linehan was a choice.

Governments are not powerless, they are choosing to facilitate all of the above.

'Governments are not powerless, they are choosing to facilitate all of the above.'

Western governments became powerless the moment they decided to start printing money (cheers Gordon!). We are now beholden to the people that own our debt.

So you're okay with British ensh|tification.....

Here, just for you: A very good description of why there's no bottom.... things will get worse and worse in the UK and people will just accept it.

x.com/kunley_drukpa/status/1968040089105338479

Sorry, but the thick southern racists are far less likely to change their vote to Labour (although they are now in large numbers changing to support Reform).


Believing utter bollocks spread by racists is also a choice.


Actually that was an obligation. Unless you'd prefer to live in a world where inciting mass murder and spreading racial hatred go unpunished (which I'm sure you don't when you actually think about it).

How many people saw the post in the three hours it was up?


How so? Which part is not true?

theguardian.com/society/2025/jun/16/grooming-gangs-in-uk-thrived-in-culture-of-ignorance-casey-report-says

'So you're okay with British ensh|tification.....'

On the bright side it's now ok and even beneficial for a politician to profess faith in Christianity in England for the first time in a long time, certainly in my lifetime. The spell of socialism is weakening.

How many people are you OK with being incited to commit mass murder? Or is the number less relevant than the act?


You just gave a link which refers to ignorance and claim it supports the stance that grooming was "allowed" as "a choice". But one cannot allow something that one is ignorant of, and one cannot choose something which one is ignorant of. You were to say that "Not paying sufficiently close attention to the problem of sexual abuse is a choice", you might have a leg to stand on, but that isn't what you chose to say.

To be fair, there are some appalling individuals holding a minute's silence for a fringe youtuber who was very happy indeed to incite race hate and advocate for public executions.

Unfortunately people are easily conned by gangster capitalists and their rightwing stooges.


In which dictionary is "allowiing" on the same page as "jailing"?


The moral of that story is, don't incite pogroms.

'To be fair, there are some appalling individuals holding a minute's silence for a fringe youtube'

I think you are underestimating the depth of feeling on this one, you don't have to swing at every pitch, you're trying too hard.

Or how easy it is to whip things up.

Some people are very easily manipulated and the backers of rightwing parties spend a lot of time and effort on doing this well.

Hey, let's bang on about transgender people with blue hair, or have a candelight vigil for an extreme youtuber, or blame migrants in a hostel or joke about Diane Abbott's fat arse. Instead of asking why some 'investors' are making more money from someone's job than they are themselves or why they can't get a hospital appointment or buy a house with only one wage in the family.

You can swing at this if you want, I'm just warning you that this is not going away, this was a tragic event that was felt very keenly around the world, by belittling it, you expose yourself as a heartless ghoul for all to see. I'd advise against doing so in public.

Until it does.


Youtuber shot by someone and which is now being milked. Do you rememebr the Minnesota politician and her husband who were murdered? Where was the attention about that?


Advise away, the guy was an extremist.

I'm just saying be careful with this one, people are losing their jobs over this.

Americans in America. Their malign hand doesn't reach outside.

Imagine if they tried it with people in the UK; the industrial tribunals would go to town.

Anyway, it's factual. He was a YouTuber with extreme views who advocated for public executions and made racist comments.

'Americans in America. Their malign hand doesn't reach outside.'

That's true, in the UK you would probably lose your job if you don't celebrate it to be fair.

Most people aren't that interested and certainly hadn't heard of him before, unless they like watching extreme content on YouTube.

You are underestimating the scale of the event, because you exist in a left wing echo chamber. Your judgement on this issue is not sound.

That's a very strange assumption to make. Wrong as well.


Less than the murder of that politician and her husband and far less than a school shooting.

It's being whipped up for political purposes.

As mentioned, most people outside his own country (and millions in it) had never heard of him. Most people don't watch extreme YouTubers or tiktokkers.

Yes, he said that chopping his dick off does not make a man a woman.

Anything else?