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Dalai Lama says: "POLAND HAS RETAINED ITS SPIRIT"


Seanus 15 | 19,706
6 Dec 2009 #61
Ksysia, this has been a perennial issue dating back to the 1980's and the continuing debates on the appointment of judges, most notably to the Constitutional Tribunal. Tbh, I hadn't heard about that new matter until you raised it. I thought it was finally settled in the 1997 version where judges were not to have a fixed term of 5 years but be open to reappointment whenever. If Tusk is indeed doing what you are saying, he is cutting against the grain of modern practice and will be slated.
Ksysia 25 | 430
6 Dec 2009 #62
Let's hope he will be slated and possibly put in jail... It's not so easily done when PO is using international public opinion to Present itself as liberal, freeminded, and cool looking and in direct opposition to uncool 'homophobiac' Kaczynski.

At least Kaczynski is trying to put them in jail. Not that he's dome much good to the economy, being a silly socialist. But PO is not a capitalist party either.

what happened with the judge appointment was that there were some changes to the law, but the judges were actually kept. Old guys are still ruling, and taking rides in other people's joy cars.
lesser 4 | 1,311
6 Dec 2009 #63
Is that too much to ask for? I don't think so.

Chinese establishment don't believe that this is their final goal. Neither I do.

he is simply taking the middle path. it is an important aspect of buddism

If one is a pushover then Buddhism seems to be appropriate religion.

Maybe he wanted to say 'Poland has retained its spirits'. How does the Dalai Lama know what the Polish spirit is anyway?

There is no sense to dig into some deeper sense of this comment. This is usual diplomatic BS. In Somalia he would talk about Somali spirit.

I assume you are aware of the "Free Tibet" campaign.
Or are you suggesting they are better off under China's regime?

I rather don't follow developments of movements which objectively cannot succeed. However I assume that vast majority of people who openly identify themselves with this campaign live outside of China.

I think that China have a chance to move forward. I see no such perspectives for Tibet which would realize theoretical concepts of Dalai Lama.

Norman Davies described the previous system in Poland as a spider web of unlawfulness and mediocrity. Korwin-Mikke is noting that this spider web had not given up after 1989 - it has simply changed the name and appearance.

Let be realistic, no regime is willing to surrender its power. Whether this is king, dictator, political party or democratic establishment, this doesn't really matter. Enemies of ruling class wont be tolerated. Do you think that the EU would accept results of pan-European and democratic referendum which would create one great Catholic monarchy? Of course not, the will of people would be ignored. The EU doesn't even allow people to decide about shape of this supposedly democratic newborn empire.

When Ziobro wanted to be Attorney General and put the mobster behind bars, the entire party was pictured as fascist. (while it is in fact socialist, pro-benefits et c.)

At least Kaczynski is trying to put them in jail. Not that he's dome much good to the economy, being a silly socialist. But PO is not a capitalist party either.

Anti-PiS propaganda should not be confused with real intentions of this party. Kaczynski want to earn political capital eternally chasing bad guys. He need them like a fresh air, they cannot disappear or be imprisoned.

I 100% agree about PO, there is a lot of people in this party who lacking elementary knowledge about liberalism. Those few with proper theoretical background care about their own particular business anyway, thus they support pan European socialist superstate.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
6 Dec 2009 #64
Very true, lesser. It's all in the name of close diplomatic ties and back patting. Currying favour is nothing new.
jasinski 10 | 62
13 Dec 2009 #65
poland kicked the crap out of germans russians turks and swedes. for centuries upon centuries it is really amazing how poland repelled so many foes from 966- 1655 untill they finally ganged up. many called it treachery. and it is the reason poland was wiped from the map no country could take poland with fairness and with honour. it was only cowardice and weakness from frustrated foes that brought down poland.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
13 Dec 2009 #66
poland kicked the crap out of germans russians turks and swedes. for centuries upon centuries

680 years to be specific, then it entered 110~ years of decline and following 200~ years of rather bad luck.

it was only cowardice and weakness from frustrated foes that brought down poland.

Actually it was primarily our own (Polish) errors that brought down Poland.
Mr Grunwald 27 | 1,816
13 Dec 2009 #67
Actually it was primarily our own (Polish) errors that brought down Poland.

Yepp, too nice :)
If we were some evil mofoes we would rule the world ^^
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436
13 Dec 2009 #68
then it entered 110~ years of decline and following 200~ years of

"Bad luck"?
Not inherent dysfunctionality??? ;)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
13 Dec 2009 #69
Not inherent dysfunctionality??? ;)

So where was this inherent dysfunctionality for the past 680 years when we turned Germany into a backwater state by sheer economical output and geopolitical relevance?

It know it was waiting to creep up on us when we least expected it! Even today its apparent in our economy, the only one thats growing and our effortless conquest of every possible job market, something no other country including hard working Germans could do:))))

Also:

t inherent dysfunctionality??? ;)

Say's a grandson of a Nazi soldier, how does it feel to have the greatest genocide in the history of the human race in your non-dysfunctional nations history books:))))
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436
13 Dec 2009 #70
Say's a grandson of a Nazi soldier, how does it feel to have the greatest genocide in the history of the human race in your non-dysfunctional nations history books:))))

Well...we are an exceptional people...
Germanics conquered the globe, no other people has given the world so many thinkers, scientists, writers, poets, musicians....and even in war and killing we are the best!

It fits somehow!

We are just to good and successful when we put our minds and energies to it....so beware! ;)
(We are "überfunctional"!)
Puzzled
13 Dec 2009 #71
Actually it was primarily our own (Polish) errors that brought down Poland.

This is so true. So many Poles seem to create their own problems. Sometime it seems they do it just so they can wallow in self-pity and victim hood. What is it about them that makes them do this - I have seen it in no other culture. It is truely an anomaly.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
13 Dec 2009 #72
no other people has given the world so many thinkers, scientists, writers, poets, musicians....

Jews, Greeks, Romans ... We could go on. Poles didnt give the world so many thinkers and scientists i give you that but as far as military achievement we surpassed everyone, going so far as to occupy Moscow, twice and having our prince becoming a Tzar so i guess we must have not been so dysfunctional after all.

Sometime it seems they do it just so they can wallow in self-pity and victim hood. What is it about them that makes them do this

Becuase we were the pariah of Europe and after we did quite a bit for it saving European civilisation twice etc, there's multiple reasons for that but that self-pity and anger towards Europe is largely justified, times are changing and so are attitudes but it takes time.

We are just to good and successful when we put our minds and energies to it....so beware! ;)

Not really you're just rich and you've always been bordering someone who had you on edge, first it was powerfull Poland, then it was powerfull Austria and then Russia so you never let your society slide like France or Italy did.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436
13 Dec 2009 #73
Poles didnt give the world so many thinkers and scientists i give you that but as far as military achievement we surpassed everyone, going so far as to occupy Moscow, twice and having our prince becoming a Tzar so i guess we must have not been so dysfunctional after all.

Heeey....it's you declaring others for "dysfunctional"!
(I found that funny all the time) ;)
That's a strange concept after all, generalizing whole peoples like that....

Not really you're just rich and you've always been bordering someone who had you on edge, first it was powerfull Poland, then it was powerfull Austria and then Russia so you never let your society slide like France or Italy did.

Well, richness doesn't come easy to a country without many natural resources to speak of..
And France and Italy were "überfunctional" in their heydays too...

You are just to crass in your judgement...
santander 1 | 68
13 Dec 2009 #74
Poland ranks amongst thsoe countries that despite all the vicissitudes has retained its spirit."

I would agree with this, I thing also Poland has retained its individualism, despite everything that has happened. Maybe I have said this a few times on this forum, but once you reallly know a Polish person, you know a polish person! they don't open up easily, but once they do they really trust you. However, they have done all the groundwork beforehand they don't trust just anyone, they know when someone is genuine when they tell you everything. I think that I was accepted into many places that non-poles were not accepted because of just the way that I am. They have a great spirit and are very passionate about certain things.
bravo 4 | 63
20 Jan 2010 #75
While I agree with this statement. (I am Irish by the way) It still just sounds like Dalai Lama speak to me.


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