Attacks against healthcare workers in Poland

lol
Roast chicken isn't a narcotic substance though.


Well, no, just "existing" can't create psychosis. I'd recommend you to read that article.


Dude, come on... The fact that alcohol is worse in some aspects than cocaine, for example, doesn't mean that using cocaine is somehow a good idea lol 🤦

A better idea would be to make alcohol more expensive and have proper free treatment as well as family intervention to mitigate its harm.


Exactly. Paulina is confusing dependence and addiction.


No. You are of course wrong.


The name's not familiar to me, however if it's stronger, smoke smaller amounts. As we drink beer in pints and spirits in small glasses.

I was about to say that nobody would drink a whole bottle of vodka however in Poland, I've seen this. One of the tawdrier aspects of Polish society.

Burroughs of course took anything and everything and that didn't always serve him well.
Indeed. Even heroin if you have a regular supply that isn't cut with nasties. Problems associated with heroin tend to involve withdrawal, inaccurate dosage, and low level crime caused entirely because something with an intrinsic value of 50p is selling at £20 with that money going to organised crime rather than to growers. It's a problem because it's illegal, not because of the substance's narcotic effect.

Than teaching paramedics self defence and giving them stab-proof vests, for example? o_O You can do both, you know.


I wasn't confusing anything. Simply the fact that cocaine is one of the most addictive substances on this planet is enough for me to not consider it as "much, much better" than alcohol.


How am I wrong?


Ekhem o_O:

nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/heroin/what-are-long-term-effects-heroin-use

"Repeated heroin use changes the physical structure13 and physiology of the brain, creating long-term imbalances in neuronal and hormonal systems that are not easily reversed.14,15 Studies have shown some deterioration of the brain's white matter due to heroin use, which may affect decision-making abilities, the ability to regulate behavior, and responses to stressful situations.

(...)

Once a person has heroin use disorder, seeking and using the drug becomes their primary purpose in life."

It's illegal for a reason. Nobody ever tried to make water illegal.

The problem with matriachial touchy feely Western societies is that they are not illegal enough.

See China and how they quickly dispose of smugglers and sellers. 2 years and you are sold as body parts.

In my opinion, 2 is too long...The same with being diagnosed with AIDS and fvcking another azzhole's azz. There should be the death penalty for it...

I can't be bothered to reply to your over quoting however paramedics do not routinely need stab vests and yes, you're confusing dependence and addiction regarding gack.

Whatever the vaguely khemetic-sounding word 'ekhem' means or whatever language it's in, it's possible (and not u common among the better off) to use Heroin for many years; in fact the chemical addiction wears itself out eventually. The problems derive from its legal status and the associated costs/purity issues.


Do you think that situation applies if a user has an uninterrupted and almost free supply of very high quality heroin?

The problem with you is that you blame everything on women. In a matriarchal society even alcohol would be banned lol 🙄

Yes, because it's mostly women that see goodness in every scum and are against the death penalty.

Where men rule, there are executions, the wait is short, and crime rates are low.

Let me guess...You would be violently opposed to Singapore-style justice - swift, low cost, and so very effective...

You can't be "bothered" because you have no argument - what you wrote about the "Niebezpieczne dzielnice" TV show wasn't true.


Then why Polish paramedics asked for those vests?? :D

medonet.pl/zdrowie/wiadomosci,ratownicy-medyczni-dostana-kamizelki-nozoodporne--jest-decyzja,artykul,32236272.html

The all-knowing jon357 knows better than paramedics what they need? lol 🙄🤦


No, I'm not.


What kind of nonsense is this? lol If that was the only problem then there would be no heroine addicts.

Asking is not the same as needing, as well you know.


"Nonsense"? It's absolutely true; read about it.

The problems with heroin come from its legal status. As you were told, that is primarily to do with purity, price and the involvement of organised crime in its supply.

Jon, can you be so kind as to explain why Paulina is so confusing? Not the shades of perception, but the real difference, between dependence and addiction?
You are defending undefendably, and both are devastating, regardless of the wording.

That probably means something, however it adds nothing.

Whre the hell your facts are coming from? But I agree with you on one point: it wears itself out by the death of the addict

Tell that to that Polish parademic who got stabbed to death. Oh wait, you can't tell him anything, because he's dead. So maybe you're going to tell that to his family? I'd like to watch you do that.


...the fact that it's a harmful, highly addictive narcotic.


For once I agree with Ptak.

No, it is not, but your answer is as slippery as an oiled snake, a masterpiece of evasion.

Yeah, let us read about heroin addiction - it's so fun and not harmful at all lol:

modernrecoveryservices.com/conditions/addiction/substances/opioids/heroin/before-and-after-addiction/

"Some effects of heroin use may not fully reverse, especially in cases of long-term addiction. These include:

Heart and lung issues: Damage to the cardiovascular and respiratory systems may require ongoing medical management.

Severe dental damage: Tooth decay and gum disease may require extensive dental procedures or tooth replacement.

Collapsed veins and scarring: Long-term injection use can cause permanent vein damage and visible scarring.

Chronic mental health conditions: Some individuals may experience persistent anxiety, depression, or cognitive decline even after quitting."

It's in Polish, Mr Know-All. I thought someone living in Poland that long would know. The English equivalent is apparently "ahem":

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/ahem

Ooh, snarky. As is the word "ahem".

It still looks khemetic though and perhaps I'm fortunate that nobody in my circle is weak enough to do snark.

@jon357, it's a pity you're too weak yourself to face facts and admit to being wrong about something.

I would if I was. Now show some manners.

We're talking about a doctor being killed in the course of his work. It is not a place to indulge in the online arguments you crave.

No, you wouldn't. And that's a recurring problem with you.


How about you show some manners by not pretending to know better than paramedics what they need in their line of work.


I don't "crave" arguments. I'm just debunking bullsh1t, as I usually do on this forum.

And we're not just talking about one doctor. This thread is about attacks on healthcare workers in Poland in general.

As previously said, we are talking about someone who was killed while at work.

It really isn't the place for arguments or hysteria.

Well, not really, recently you were basically making claims how heroin addiction is "no biggie" o_O


Firstly, that's literally what this forum is on daily basis, so spare me this lol
Secondly, we're "arguing" only because you wrote bullsh1t and because you're behaving like an arrogant a-hole. You can quit doing that anytime :)

Hard to know where you got that from, especially the odd phrase and whatever it is with the 0o.

If you read carefully you'll see that there are many problems about heroin mentioned, pretty well all stemming from its illegality, specifically price, purity and the profits that its illegal status allowed organised crime to make.


No, and less of the "lol". It is juvenile.

The forum isn't about arguments, it's about discussion. Unfortunately there are some, usually people with sad and lonely lives, who use it to vent their frustrations.

Now back to doctors's safety. Nobody wants to see doctors behind Perspex screens or paramedics wearing armour or carrying weapons. So what can be done?

I am so proud of you...


Bring cops along...at 6 cops per one azzhole ratio...

Since there is no crime in Poland that requires lethal force, they are bored our of their minds...


No. It's about nailing leftist globalist woke LGBT scum to the wall. They are cancer and poison to any healthy society.

We are past the discussion point...since the scum I just mentioned is not capable of fact-based discussions.

For example: How many homosexuals are too many? 1% or 100%? Or somewhere in between...

From your comments.


If you don't like my "lols" then behave in such a way as to not deserve those "lols" :)


Then prove it that you mean it and start acting like an adult.


This is an article about paramedics' requests to the government:

niezalezna.pl/polska/ratownicy-medyczni-beda-lepiej-wyposazeni-to-dopiero-4-z-10-postulatow/536420

@Paulina
Enough already.


That's only part of the picture and stab vests only cover part of the body.

If the phenomenon of attacks on nurses, doctors etc is growing, there needs to be a more coherent approach rather than just firefighting.

Education? Publicity? What is best?

I wouldn't go so far as to defend heroin, though maybe Jon has a point about most of the lethality being resolved if there was a cheap and uninterrupted supply of legal heroin.

Switzerland and Germany are the only two countries I know of that provide pharmaceutical grade heroin to "chronic" addicts that are basically hopeless. I don't know if people started dying less there, but I think it's a no brainer. Portugal just decriminalized drugs completely, but I don't think it "supplies" them to addicts.

All the stuff you are writing about collapsing veins and rotting teeth is because these people are using dirty needles and smoking nasty aluminum pipes - not because of the heroin. The overdoses are also because people misdose, not knowing the potency of the specific batch in their possession. Fentanyl is 50 times more potent than heroin, and 100 times more than morphine.

In a hospital setting - clean drugs, sterile environment, perfectly calibrated dose... seems to resolve all the problems.

Just... not a very politically popular proposition, as I think most of the electorate is just hoping for the junkies to die sooner - not invest more money into them.

In former Soviet states, for my grandmas generation, it was totally normal for people to make poppy infusions when sick, or to give kids poppy concentrate when their teeth were cutting or they were running a fever. However, I think heroin is a lot stronger than just a simple poppy infusion.