Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 27

So how did it work in Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq?


How many civilians did they kill since Feb 2022?

For reference, 100,000 American civilians die every year because leftists are deliberately against the death penalty.

@Novichok

Your posts are becoming ever more irratic and inane.

Meanwhile, here is the reality..... Russia is losing the war in Ukraine and if the USA is too spineless to help us, European NATO will do it anyway,without your help!
Maybe we should call it ETO..... but hey, Canada are still with us......



Same old Russia, they just talk bollox and lie.......

Can I just say that I have nothing against Russian people.(Except of course, those that support the state).
The Russian state has for decades been ruled by tyrants, firstly the Tsars, then The Communists that persuaded the people that life would be better under them.....that didn't work out well.... and now The Mafia......the poor Russian people need to grow some balls and rise up once and for all.
We all know that democracy is not perfect but it is better than what the poor Russian people have been suffering for well over 100 years!

I am old enough to remember listening to broadcasts from stations like Radio Moscow and Radio Tirana and even as a kid I was laughing at what they were saying!

Even as a 10 year old, I knew thew were lying and all the talk of their productive agriculture just sent me to sleep.....Le plus ca change......

Please do.


I wish you Brits didn't leave yours in France. You could use them now, guarding your country, and keep the brown scum from landing.

That is basically all of them - Putler wins elections with 85 percent of the vote and when asked in the street almost all North Nigerians express support for Putler and the illegal invasion

They really think like that.

Do they?

Have you all forgotten our own peoples history "supporting" a dictatorship for decades?

Would you all say the same about your own peoples, families, friends, loved ones back then?

The Russians right now are not different to our own Past.....some would think having lived through such times ourselves we would have more empathy and less judgement!

(or some posters here are alot younger than I thought and truly don't remember....and never learned about it in history class?)

People are all the same everywhere....a few "Do'ers" (for "it" and against "it")....but the overwhelming mass just wants to muddle through with their lives and will nod to everyway the coin might fall but honestly just wants to be left alone!


....or what? Risking to fall out some window next?

Russia is not a country where your real opinion is asked for! You keep it to yourself if you want to keep your head....is that so hard to understand?

They do.
They really do have that mentality... at least as a nation. Individuals may be different. I work with them every day, and my Russian doesn't like Putin and is against the war, and he's always arguing about it with my Ukrainian, who doesn't recognize Ukraine's existence and is just waiting for Russia to take over the country. My Lebanese support him in this, but my Syrians are against it. The Egyptian is just silent and the Bulgarians (I have two) also do not like current Russia. The Indian, on the other hand, is not interested in politics. The German is the one who likes to talk about politics the most (we have one).

They walk willingly into machine gun fire and drone attacks, rather than risk their lives by criticizing the Tsar ? That is exhibit A in my argument that thyey genuinely like Putler and support the war

Plus they have been demanding Ukraine hold elections and they had a referendum in Crimea, so they must deeply believe in their rights to express their will

....its never about ones own life only, not in a dictatorship! If only, there wouldn't be one for long....

You were born "after", were you cms?

There might be naive enthusiasm and belief in the leadership shortly after the beginning. But as the promise of "six weeks" faded slowly into a long, bloody war of attrition, with more and more young sons dying, and now at home the costs of this war being felt much more strongly, I'm totally sure that mood is turning!

....and Putin, the former secret service agent, will know!

Yes, they do. They are a different breed than Europeans. Even Germans, as a certain mutation, are still largely European; it doesn't pertain to Russians. So don't project your country's past onto Russia.
Russia has been consistently Russia since the time of the Duchy of Moscow; the other option for Russians, Novgorod, was destroyed.

....."a certain mutation"....pheeeeeew....we are the real thing, Iron! :)


The Soviet bloc contained not only Russia + Germany.....it contained half of Europe....full of people who behaved the same as now Russians do.....who would repeat the state propaganda if "asked" on the streets, just out of fear to say the wrong thing!

Who, if ordered, would had invaded the neighbour, once the leadership demands it, all for the "good cause" of course!

Remember?

But....there would never had been a '89 if the people in their majority truly believed all that **** and would honestly support it, or this bloc would still exist!

That is a separate issue; Russians had been like 'that' long before the Soviet era.
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Really? Prove it! :)

I am told by a friend that huge metropolises of Myrnohrad and Huyapole have fallen to the mighty Red Army...

t.me/milinfolive/163212

... and that there will be no negotiations because all aims of SMO will be achieved by pure, brutal shock-and-awe military blitzkrieg.

Darn... :-/

express.co.uk/news/world/2150661/russia-colonel-general-yuri-sadovenko-death-putin#comments-wrapper

Yuri Sadovenko will be missing the victory parade - unfortunately died suddenly of heart disease

Again, the North Nigerians either support this, or they are pussies and losers too scared to do anything about it. My view is that they support it

Meanwhile, China is slowly but surely coming back to their historical territories and getting ready to restore Kitayski Mir...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/zagranica/news-pekin-szykuje-sie-na-upadek-moskwy-chinskie-media-nie-maja-z,nId,22503083

wydarzenia.interia.pl/zagranica/news-rosja-traci-suwerennosc-maja-powody-do-niepokoju-alarmujace,nId,22466165

... hmm... what could Russia do to possibly solve this problem? I know! Throw more resources at Pokrovsk and consolidate gains in Huyapole, not to lose it again. *rolls eyes*

BB is right about the state terror in Russia - you can get 15 years in prison even just for saying that Russia isn't defending herself but attacked Ukraine...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/ukraina-rosja/news-znawczyni-rosji-wreszcie-dotarlo-do-polakow-to-co-mowia-o-na,nId,22502313

... throw this into ChatGPT translation; a scary read.

Dunno. Probably.

It's hard to speak about "what ifs" when neither of us have been in trenches.

BTW, that WWI story about the football match is apparently somewhat exaggerated.

The threat of Russia isn't that they can conquer Europe outright but they can take nibbles here and there and never illicit a decisive and organized response that would permanently prevent them from continuing the overarching imperial project. They didn't become the largest country by landmass in the world by accident but because they increased bit by bit, increment by increment.

The calculus here is that the individual polities of Europe are and always have been collectively stronger than Russia, but convincing a Western European he should die for an Eastern European because Russian influence might creep into Central Europe and beyond someday at some time for some reason is essentially impossible, a fact that can be exploited by Russia for strategic advantage.

You're four years late with this diagnosis, Korvinus.

Incremental territorial "nibbling" works only when actions remain below the threshold of collective response. Since 2022, Russian military action has ceased to be ambiguous. We know exactly what Russia is doing. Any use of force against any European NATO member will now be interpreted through the lens of large-scale war.


Have you been reading pro-Russian propaganda recently? All such arguments that presume some sort of inertia don't find confirmation in reality: NATO has demonstrated rapid force posture changes, forward deployments, integrated planning, and clear signaling. The alliance is more unified and operationally prepared than at any point since the Cold War, even if the USA stays away from it as Russians managed to place their asset in the office of the US president, European NATO is well prepared and ready to repel any laughable attempts at invading Europe.

Also, Finland and Sweden - that used to be sort of "grey zones" are now members of NATO. So, no - those "nibbles" as you describe them are no longer possible for Russia. What are they going to "nibble"? The Baltics? Scandinavia? Poland? All NATO members, all prepared and willing to fight. In the current environment, there is no credible way for Russia to "take nibbles" in Europe without provoking an immediate and organized response.

Who are those mythical people? If you mean a few old countries. Take a shower. How long do you need to process a simple and undeniable fact that they can't be counted on? NO!
Stop it.

What I think will happen is that Putin, frustrated by ever growing losses in Ukraine, will make one last retarded move and invade somewhere in the Baltics (Mafketis thinks it will be Estonia, I am rather inclined to bet on Królewiec and some sort of incident with Lithuania), counting on the lack of appropriate response from NATO. His calculations will turn out to be wrong.

We've been over this. Is a rabid dog a huge threat to a group of people? No. Do you want to take precautions against being bitten? Hell yes.

A brilliant Ukrainian strike on a command post for supposedly elite troops on 26th December. 50-100 casualties

Expect more of the same the next few days

express.co.uk/news/world/2151129/russia-gru-brigade-ukraine-drones

Do you mean the desk, phone, and a filing cabinet in Brussels or the US?

Or maybe the UK "army" that's about the size of the NY PD?

Now the funny part...Euroholes don't have enough balls to defend their own women from Muslim garbage, they were so stupid happy to invite ...

The results are as they should be when one is a pussified girlie moron...

France - 63
Scotland - 44
Norway - 42
Denmark - 40
Poland - 1

Yes, in Poland, just 1 per 100,000.

Why?

Because, as one Polish patriot said, Poland does not accept the world's most useless brown and Muslim human waste Western azzholes so gladly do.

I love numbers...

I meant strong, united and coordinated military action by all European NATO states as well as American troops in Europe. Should the USA in time of need decide not to honour obligations to their allies, they would degrade themselves to a permanent secondary power position. This wouldn't, of course, affect the European response. Europeans still have balls and are ready to respond to aggression and lawlessness with military might. God bless Europe.

...except that no aggression ever came...and never will.

In fact, after the USSR left Europe alone, it was NATO that crawled up to Russia's doorstep while lying along the way how NATO will stay in place if Germany is allowed to reunite.

Also, Merkel's famous: "We lied for time..."

You will never win with me.

You see, that's why people don't treat you seriously. You repeat lies that have been exposed many times before, even on this forum. You are like Goebbels - repeating lies 1000 times in vain hope that they will become truth.


And now you manipulate. Surprise, surprise. Merkel never said, as your use of quotation marks would suggest, "we lied for time". She said "The 2014 Minsk agreement was an attempt to give time to Ukraine. It also used this time to become stronger as can be seen today."

Russian state media and pro-Kremlin narratives have amplified her remarks as if the West lied to Russia and used Minsk to build up Ukraine for war, which is a distortion of what she said. Several analyses and translations confirm that Merkel described the effect of the Minsk process as having given Kyiv time to strengthen - not that it was deliberately engineered as a deceptive ruse to mislead Russia. The interpretation that pro-Putinist shills like you spread is a mischaracterization or exaggeration not directly supported by the original interview texts.

So, as usual, you lie, manipulate and intentionally exaggerate to deceive people. Only it's not working. :)


"Win"? B*tch, please, we are not even playing in the same league. Get real.

Why you sould be proud to be Polish.