Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 27

Scary thing about old retards, like Novi and Milo, and the internet is how utterly unable they are to distnguish genuine information sources from propaganda bots.

Both imbeciles are posting links to the most primitive propaganda videos and think they discovered the fountain of truth.

Anyone over 60 should be cut off from the Internet permanently.

Hey, moron, if you actually read my post, you would notice that I am not passing any information from propaganda sources.

What I am doing is making several brilliant recommendations for Germans. Big difference...So does he...

.....and I thank you for that, the thought counts (alot).


But.....thing is, historical that idea has already been proven disastreous for Germany. We are just to small for "going it alone"! At the end it always ends with us really being alone, and with that ready for the taking!

That is just a non-deniable and hard-learned fact! Other countries may follow their dreams of solitary power but not Germany, as size matters again....we are the safest in an alliance with our neighbours, even if disliked and distrusted neighbours...even in a bitching, infighting, quarreling and inefficient Union....everything has proven better for us than being alone!

My sincere advice for Germany is to look back and realize that Russia is not your enemy.

Your enemy is internal, the warmongers in the US and Europe, and Russia-hating brainless azzholes in Poland.

Try to come up with just one hostile act by Russia toward Germany in the last 30 years. If I missed it, I apologize...

Right now it is.....with a Gorbatschow-Russia our both nations would flourish....now with Putin-Russia we both suffer!

Thing is, it is downright dangerous to depend that much on the accidents of history, on who just rules in the Kremlin. That is no way to build a stable future. For Germany it needs more than that....at best likeminded neighbours who follow the same rules, no matter who just won the election!
That needs a corset of mutual treaties and agreements, no matter how bureaucratic and cumbersome that sometimes (often) appears....

For an USian or a Russian or a Chinese that may look curious or funny, or even weak, but for Germany this is existential! *shrugs*

Proven interference in the elections, supporting and then actually buying Schröder and in the following years supporting AfD and BSW. Isn't that enough?

Yes you are, you senile idiot. You posted a link containing the most obvious, blatant propaganda ever.

People like you should be kept as far away from the Internet as possible.


... also you need a buffer zone of strong independent countries between you and Russia. Germans and Russians are "neighbours from hell" (by the way, I recommend the book)...



... and every time Germany and Russia shared direct border, it eventually ended up very badly for both and for the world.

So actually, at the moment, with supporting Ukraine and being a reliable ally to Poland, Germany is conducting the most sensible and beneficial foreign policy in their history.

kyivpost.com/opinion/66329

The best assessment of global geopolitics I've read since the venal, orange-skinned Russian asset became the US president.

.....but......och.....Bismarck in the same line as Hitler? :( *sniff*

Let's say, in the same column as Schröder. ;)

By the way - read the Kyiv Post article I linked above, BB. Definitely worth it.

I don't know if that is the best assessment, but at the very least, it is a clear, independent opinion of a person who doesn't live in the fantasy land like most of the Polish commentators and politicians.
It is something more than mere dependence on the goodwill of others.
It is the first chapter in the book -The ABC of Politics for Beginners- that every Polish politician should learn by heart, and political commentators should read it too.

Agreed!

Meanwhile, Poland will deploy millions of landmines along the borders with Russia and Belarus...

onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/historyczny-zwrot-polska-wznowi-produkcje-min-przeciwpiechotnych/1p1vsr4,79cfc278

... first, Poland has formally withdrawn from the Ottawa Convention, then the production of landmines was resumed and the final step is going to be laying millions upon millions of landmines on the borders with aggressive, quasi-fascist dictatorships.

The huge permanent minefields will be supplemented, according to tactical needs, with additional minefields created by scatterable mine-laying vehicles like BAOBAB-K.



hsw.pl/produkty/pojazd-minowania-narzutowego-baobab-k/

The minefields will be a part of the great wall "Tarcza Wschód" protecting Poland and the EU from invaders.

Ukraine attacks and disables another North Nigerian rustbucket ship - but this time off the coast of Libya. hopefully a clear message for any sailors or boat owners who want to help war criminals and drunk rapists - they will never be safe again.

reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraine-hits-russian-shadow-fleet-tanker-mediterranean-first-time-sbu-source-2025-12-19/

Torqi,

I just read that article and I'm quite sure the author did not write it with a german audience in mind....and not with a european one generally either me thinks!

Germany is either used as a "warning from the past" or even for the future:


I don't agree!

If he wants the USian public to convince he used a curious media with the Kievpost...and instead to accept the "Zeitenwende", that the Europeans HAVE to change and to shoulder the task to start to defend themselves, he warns about such an development???

I know, most of us wish the good ol' time back, but its not going to happen....so we better accept the new realities....and it doesn't have to be to bow down to China, to pay them for "rescue" from the Russians, now that the US cut back their involvement...what defeatism is that!

Of course! He's an American, so for him a strong, Germany-led, independent Europe that is free to either become an independent superpower or become a Chinese ally is something to worry about.


I agree totally!

And now the time comes for Germany. Finally, after all the mistakes, defeats and miscalculations it has suffered throughout the German history - it is time to make up for all that. You need to assume leadership of Europe, use your still great resources to build a powerful army and rally all pro-European parties and forces in Europe under your banner. I know that Poland under Tusk would join, and even the right-wing parties - if they saw that you genuinely do this for Europe and not only for your position - would rally under your banner.

With Germany representing free, united Europe, we can stand strong and resist any superpower in the world. Even without Americans, European NATO is a considerable force. We don't have to yearn for the "good ol' times" or beg Americans for help. Quite the contrary. Europe can finally stand on their own feet.

The first step should be removing English as the official language of the EU (no large English speaking country is currently a member, and it's nonsensical to keep it for the sake of Ireland only) and switching to German as the main working language. That would be a symbolic, but a very important act on the way to European independence. In general, Anglo-Saxon influence has to be decreased and ties with the USA and Britain gradually severed.

Oh, and as far as Ukraine is concerned - they have proven time and time again to be a faithful and reliable ally. They have to be supported with all our strength. Ukraine should be accepted into the EU and economically lifted, even if it means huge sacrifices.

No, I doubt we ever will again....many Europeans (and Iron too), would be against it.

That doesn't mean we can't become again the industrial, technological furnace in which the tools will be forged to guarantee our future wealth, independence and global influence.

I know, that is a bold vision...but it wouldn't be the first still coming to pass!

What disturbs me reading the article is this defeatism, that absolut lacking of any kind of belief in the strength of Europe...for the author only sees two choices for us...being cuddled by the US or being eaten by everybody else!

No thank you!


Yes, I think they will. With EU-membership, and already on the "road" to such, comes a huge fund of support....that will be used to rebuild what was destroyed in this war.

You have to! Who else will?

The French or Italians? Don't make me laugh. Poland is still too traditional, too Catholic, and too conservative (yes, these can be disadvantages too), so the likes of Netherlands, Scandinavia, Belgium or Austria would never follow us. But they WILL follow you.

Damn it, BB :( How can you not see it?

Europäische Heimat...

- Fleiß, Tradition, Kultur
- Arbeit und Disziplin
- Glaube und Familie

... Vereintes Europa unter deutscher Führung: Einigkeit, Ordnung, Fleiß und Tradition - come on, only you can pull it off. Good old traditional Germany minus the nationalism can finally turn Europe into the powerhouse it deserves to be! You can't bury your head in the sand and shirk responsibility. If you do, we're f*cked. :(


Definitely. I would even be willing to sacrifice Poland's structural funds (76 billion euro in the coming years). We'll be alright without them and Ukraine needs the money more than we do.

Just lets say.....I don't want us....maybe if a new Bismarck comes up....heh:)

And why not keep English as european lingua franca...it works! And I even would have nothing against an english leader, they belong to Europe too, if they want to or not! :)

I guess this will be decided in the future EU sessions....there the political skills are being tested...there the maybe new leader might emerge, it can be one from every member country, I have no idea...we will see...

Hey, I could even stomach a new Doublesnot if he agreed not to persecute Poles too much. ;)


No point. Only the small Ireland uses it as their first language, Britain is out of the EU and Americans are currently in the process of stabbing us in the back. Down with this primitive language. German will work better!


*fingers crossed*

The EU will change and adapt to this new age, so will GB....in such a world the author describes GB would be worse off than mainland Europe! With the US no longer caring for any "special relationship" with the Island, their traditional Empire fading away and the bonds to EU-Europe cut by themselves.

I see them back into our folds, when (not if) the pushes come to shove!

It already is.


Why not. But they would have to be more strictly controlled this time - Russians manipulate them like retards (see Brexit).

.....yeah....they left mainly because they blamed the EU laws for the unwanted immigration....paying to much into it, getting not enough back.

The Brexit didn't help at all...I guess that was an interesting lesson for all observers....more is needed, different measures!

Not that the complaints didn't have any merit, but the biggest changes usually come from the inside, never from the outside...

Till later, have to leave now...*waves*

They have more unwanted immigration now than when they were in the EU. xD

And all it took was some Russian rubles for Farage and his cronies, and dirt cheap social media campaign for Russia to brexit them. Retards.

See ya, BB. *waves*

You are right; don't listen to Torq. He tends to get involved with unrealistic ideas. In other words, the less he is involved, the bigger his dreams become.

I need Germany to establish fair competition and a free market economy with its European neighbors, without any nasty backdoor deals or double standards. The pie is big enough for everyone, and cooperation would benefit all. In other words, it's about the economy.

Poland, with Scandinavia, the Baltic states, Romania, Turkey, and possibly Ukraine, should form a military alliance to manage this part of the world and shield the rest of Europe.
You have this maldy that the rest of the crew is afflicted with, looking for a big brother to do your job. There is nobody; it is up to you, so stop procrastinating.
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It is because they had immigration issues, not due to the EU, but due to their leaders and elites. They are the same liberal type that destroyed the EU.

Said who? You missed how Russia is sending 50s sh!t to the front?

Russia has overwhelming manpower advantage, over9000 more artillery shells, outproduces west, their tech is the stronkest, kindżałs destroy patriots ezpz, Russia destroyed whole hohol airforce in the first week of invasion, Russians kill hundreds of thousands of hohols per week and can pinpoint and eliminate every single individual NATO mercenary that entered the country.

But somehow the war lasts for 3+ years now, and the biggest successes Russia ever accomplished in that time, was taking 2 small towns barely bigger than villages, and moving the frontline like 2km towards the west.

Future looks bleak indeed, at this rate it seems like my great-grandchildren will be able to finally witness Russian forces reach Kyiv and finish their 3 day special military operation.

I am thinking big, dreaming big and planning big.


We need nukes in such case.

And a lot of them.

Agreed.

Germany lead Europe? Its been tried twice and failed each time.

What do you care, PolAm? I thought America was concentrating on Venezuela and Barbados these days.