Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 26

russia doing what russia does best.... breaking things....

only this time it was a ship they've been building since 2018....

instead of using it they decided to capsize it in sevastopol....

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Typical rusonigerian engineering. USSR's was able to kidnap thousands of German scientists only once. It was enough to boost their country to a decent technological level for a few decades, but once they started dying and had to be replaced with russian mongoloids again, it quickly went back to african levels of scientific advancement and lost any hope of being able to compete with white nations.

It's started.... Russia is in meltdown......



Russia is weak..... now is the time for the west to give Ukraine the weapons they need to end the war NOW!

...to attack Russia and hang pride flags in every Russian school...as well as on the Kremlin. That will give them a massive heart attack...

Can you post the Euro countries that are getting ready for this final act of bravery?

In this short fragment of your post you have just informed everyone about your level of education.

If you had anything to do with academia, you would know that the level of Russian science is generally higher than ours. If they are african mongoloids (or mongoloid africans), what does that make us?

What are the reasons then why their weapons have underperformed Ukraine's equipment (including some from Poland) in every aspect of the war - land, sea, air ?

They according to you have brilliant scientists and no shortage of natural resources so it's a real mystery

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim

Germans did amazing work building up Russian non-existent research structures, most branches of heavy industry were completely redesigned and rebuilt from scratch by German engineers - with their brains and Russian manpower, they managed to raise USSR from a barbarian horde that lucked into a land rich with natural resources, to a modern country which finally started utilizing all the advantages they had to achieve a superpower status. But as I said, once Germans started dying, there was no one to replace them, as Russian white population was extremely small and concentrated near the western borders, while rest of the country was filled with useless mongoloids incapable of producing scientists.

One of the biggest failures of USSR, was purging Polish and Ukrainian intelligentsia. Stalin had massive white population under his boot, capable of producing bright minds to rival the US, but in his paranoia he wasted all that potential. Killed tens of thousands of the best and brightest slavs, and caused the ones surviving and the ones raised afterwards, to hide and avoid cooperating with Soviets. This directly led to USSR, despite having massive population on paper, only being able to utilize a fraction of that to create their brainpower, at a rate similar to 6-7x smaller European countries.

No surprise that since the UNNR started to allow Jewsish scientists to leave that Israel has become a tech superpower and the NN science diaspora is also strong in the US and Germany

They for sure have good academics but since the government is mainly focused on new and interesting ways to steal money, these scientists get frustrated and leave

Sometimes I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of kindergarten kids - surely you do realise that scientific talent, even backed up with resources, does not automatically translate into effective military performance? Brilliant scientists and resources are necessary but not sufficient to achieve that. You need, among other things, reliable production, effective logistics, good doctrine, trained personnel, morale, and adaptive leadership. Soviet Union was much better at these but decades of systemic issues in putinist Russia (corruption, mismanagement, poor modernization, outdated doctrine etc.) caused the failure on the battlefield that we are witnessing.

Once again, these are systemic political and managerial issues causing Russia's failure, not any deficiency in academia. So when Korvinus writes about "african levels of scientific advancement" in Russia, it means he has no idea what he's talking about.

russians are certainly intelligent enough to make the country a science superpower, but their potential is wasted because of their devotion to their terrible hybrid royal-mafia socio-political system

which is a shame....

....and I wonder if that somehow is part of one another?

All that land...all this space....all these resources!

I can't help compare that with all these central european states....so many cramped into the same place, fighting endlessly for abit more space...barely any resources but its people...they had to groom what they had, to make the most out of it.

But Russia? They always had so much of everything....the need to develop should never have been as urgent as in central Europe, IMHO.

Could be also totally wrong here...

America got the lion's share of Nazi scientists. Werner Von Braun alone, was worth his weight in gold. He built the American space program.

They got nearly all the nuclear physicists. We got two dudes that knew isotope separation and gas diffusion, while the Americans got the other 80% of what it takes to make an atom bomb.

The Americans got access to all of Germany's chemical geniuses. To Japan's biologists (who collected that data by killing tens of thousands of Chinese).

Quite strange to accuse the USSR of benefiting from Nazi technology, when it was the "Free World" that got the majority of the dividends.


Russia's old school historians - like Gumilev, Solzhenitsyn, and Klyuchevsky have argued that what explains Russia's backwardness is geography and history.

Endless open plains, and no natural borders left Russia constantly exposed to invasions. Because of this... Russia could never afford weak central power or decentralized feudalism like in Western Europe. But it was precisely decentralized feudalism which sowed the seeds of a future bourgeoisie and a working class.

So these historians, then see Russia as a "fortress civilization", always centralizing, militant, and constantly paranoid.

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Modern Russian reformers, like Gaidar and Mau, subscribed more to your view. That Russia suffers from a "Dutch Disease" on steroids.

That is, that Russia's wealth in land and raw materials removed the incentive for modernization and innovation. The economy and state became addicted to resource rents (first serf labor and land, later oil and gas).

The elite, living off extraction rather than production, had little interest in legal or civic development. As Gaidar put it: "Russia learned to live by distributing resource rents, not creating value."

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Finally we have neo-conservative (or Eurasianists
as they call themselves) historians now, like Dugin and Panarin.

To these guys - nothing is wrong with Russia.

They reject the premise of backwardness itself. They think we have our own unique civilization, based on communitarianism and autocracy, as opposed to the West's decadent individualism and commercialism.

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As many Russians as there are, so many opinions there are about why we are living like we live.

That is not a new premise. Already present in the 19th century
Russian thought. I say lame excuses. Unless you say that is what our civilization is about, it won't be better, so we have to get used to it.

Those other people are real reformers and intellectuals; at least they dig deep. Dugin and Panarin are charlatans playing it safe and supporting the current system, giving it pseudo-intellectual support. I guess for a Russian, it must be very attractive and a safe option at the same time, as they can present their blind support of the authorities as a deep philosophical thought.

Yes, they carry on the torch of the 19th century Slavophiles and Pan-Slavists. Like Aksakov, Pogodin... And the old Eurasianists which appeared after the Revolution, attempting to explain how Russia collapsed to Bolshevism (like Prince Trubetzkoy, and Vernadsky).

It's not new.

Even in the times of Ivan the Terrible, there were people attempting to argue that Russia represents a unique axis in the world - a blend of Tataro-Mongol militarism, and Byzantine merger of church and autocracy.


They are not simple dummies who didn't study well at school. But they are lazy.

Dugin went through an evolution, as wide spectrum as the evolution Russian went through between 1989 and 2025.

Like the young Viktor Orban, Dugin was an unapologetic liberal. Was part of the underground Soviet intelligentsia, mixing with artists, poets, and philosophers. Read forbidden texts, and listened to Western punk rock.

Then something happened to him in France, where he met Alain de Benoist, the founder of the European Nouvelle Droite.

So... it is pretty funny when people say Russian money is fueling Marine Le Pen.

Right politics did not come to France from Russia, but from France to Russia.

Further - when Russia's reformers were designing the power vertical of Russia in the early 1990s, they borrowed primarily from two systems. The French and the American - because they felt that the Uber-Powerful presidencies of France and America fit Russia's cultural and historical profile.

Putin is a big fan of De Gaulle and Mitterrand.

Another fun fact - Dugin was kind of at the root of the movement in Ukraine, which eventually bore Azov.

Now, of course, Dugin calls them a "satanic inversion" - an apostate offspring of Eurasianism that turned against its parent civilization.

He thinks... Western influence "corrupted" the Slavic unity he imagined.

But whether he likes it or not, Biletskiy for many years considered Dugin a guiding light.

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Russian nationalism has a hard time coexisting with Ukrainian nationalism. Which is why the Bolsheviks correctly identified it as a cancer.

I don't know if NATO is dying, but the title sounded so good I couldn't resist.

Memo to NATO: Please die. The US needs you like I need a bone through my nose or a pride flag...

Just added two new members and there is a queue to get in.

The reason is obvious - nobody wants to live like North Nigerians do

We know exactly where the Germans went. Fact is, USSR stole more German specialists than the US. (1600 in operation Paperclip vs 2500 in operation Osoaviakhim)

US just utilized them better, as they also had their own considerable brainpower reserves. Germans were integrated flawlessly into the existing structures, they were a massive boon, but they were not essential. US used their work, then later expanded on it with their own scientists decade after decade. USSR was incapable of doing that.

You're of course referring to the infamous "brain drain" from Europe,
principally during the fifties and continuing until the late '60's.

While the UK was clearly a target for this emigation, the US wasn't far
behind, most clearly seen in the NASA Space Program, notably von Braun,
Debus, Strughold, and Rudolph.

The russian army acting russian again....

A russian soldier says there is about 90% fatality rate among new recruits. Most are killed on their first mission. Their bodies are left to rot wherever they are and its forbidden to collect IDs (because they don't want to pay compensation to the families).

More.... here....

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But then russians could care less....

Yeah and after their attack on the kindergarten,Russia is £vcked......

Meaningless.

In the last days of the war, nearly the entire "cream" of Germany's scientific class began escaping into what would become the western occupation zones.

The most important physicists and chemists in Berlin, Leipzig, and Dresden nearly all fled. This is how we missed people like Von Braun, and Heisenberg.

America took nearly all the top tier talent - as I wrote above. The USSR got second rate folks, like plant directors, metallurgists, chemists, and draftsmen. Basically infrastructure and mid-level industrial experts who hadn't been mobile or foresighted enough to flee.

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In a fundamental sense - America got "system level innovators", while Russia gained reverse-engineering talent and production know-how.

Comparing by simple numbers of people "taken", gives you a wrong sense of what was going on.

Everyone important in the eastern universities, had known by May/June that if they fell into Soviet hands it could be a very long time before they would be allowed to return home. In the event, the last Germans were only allowed to go home in 1958.

Russia will lose this war....... it is obvious even to the biggest idiot on this forum.....

Two new US parasites...

There are queues in front of every US welfare office and where they give away free cheese.

Now explain how these two new parasites help the US defend itself from China and Russia.

I am ready...

Russians are stupid, disorganised, corrupt and not motivated..... they are losing this war.....

The UK, France, and Germany are smart, organized, and motivated...

When are you planning to invade Russia?

Still waiting for an explanation of how these two new parasites can help the US defend itself from China and Russia...

When they attack us, stupid!

Did Russia ever attack you, morons?

In fact, thanks to the Red Army, you, stupid Brits ended up on the winning side.

If Hitler didn't attack the USSR, you would dead meat...Germany lost 75% of its army fighting these great men.

No, because they are too weak and afraid to.


Really? we did but Eastern Europe suffered nearly 50 years of Russian rule.

And you don't think Americans helped too?

Russia didn't attack Mongolia, Peru, or Nepal...

Who would want to attack the UK and why?

For your oil?