Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 26

Which they are.

Having said that, however, if both Americans and Russians insist on slinking ever further into mental retardation, we will have no other option but to offer the Chinese an alliance: Eurasia United - from Lisbon to Hǎishēnwǎi.

Then, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth in Russia and the US, but it will be too late. Sorry.

Nah... now he says he wrote it. After some "input" from our side.

I don't blame you for losing track... on account this guy said three different things to 3 different groups of people within the past 36 hours.

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Ha ha xD

Who was the guy who directed Idiocracy? He's a veritable genius and a visionary!

Fair enough - we have enough sexist cretins on this board and don't need another one

Golden Cow now saying the plan is not his final offer.

North Nigeria hasn't accepted it either

As I said this will be dead by Monday morning as as for Thanksgiving, the Americans can watch their football and eat their pumpkin in peace, maybe sparing a thought for all their own broken treaties and massacres of the Native population.

The social product of the entire EU amounts to € 18,000 billion.🤔

If only!

I bet that instead of football they will watch their idiotic cyborgball.


Quiet! Quiet, piggy!

youtube.com/shorts/mz2x04OI4VQ

No - it's not AI. xD


As a good Pole (even if a Volksdeutch too) you are confusing miliardy (billions) with biliony (trillions).

Unless you meant 18000 not 18 comma 0. :)

He told a group of Senators that this plan was a "Russian wish list".

They went on TV and said as much.

Then, the State Department spokesman came out, and called the Senators a bunch of liars - insisting that America authored the whole thing.

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One of the Senators already came back, insisting he was not under the influence of any substances, and did not hallucinate his conversation with Rubio.

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What a mess...

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Poor Ukrainians and Europeans took this for the "genuine item", and have been discussing it in earnest like fools. Recording joint communiques from the G20 Summit in RSA, and staging press conferences.. lol!

At least the Russians simply said - haven't studied it, can't comment.

Well - now it is the real thing - and not least because the Europeans sh*t their pants and started running around like mad with this plan. It became a self fulfilling bag of sh*t for both them and the Ukrainians.

Sometimes - it's better to just stay silent and let things evolve on "inertia". Europe's silence would arguably be better than the desperate hysterics. America would still have to loop them in.

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This, pożal się Panie Boże, document looks exactly like something written by Russians, and not especially smart Russians at that (maybe Medvedev was asked to write it?).


Well, Russians wrote it for others to study. xD

The extent of Trump administration's mental retardation almost makes me want to be allied to Russia instead.

Almost.

that's exactly what I mean.

So, 100 out of 18000 is not that bad.

That wasn't the point - the point was that Russians and Americans agree between themselves how much the EU will pay and whether or not the EU will accept a new member. :)

@Torq

If I am China, and I am watching this comedy unfold - then I would think:

1) These fools cannot coordinate a thing as "simple" as Ukraine, they will be absolutely hopeless during a hypothetical Taiwan.

2) It is not worth negotiating seriously with them over tariffs - because this means to disrespect oneself.

3) Europe must be getting irritated to such a point, that soon it will cross a "red line". Europe negotiated with America in good faith, and did not retaliate on tariffs - because they were worried to lose the American security guarantee during the largest war in Europe since 1945. Now America is dumping Europe anyway, so there is less incentive for Europe to sell away its Crown Jewels (the Common Market). Let us wait for the Americans and Europeans to arrive at a point of complete mutual distrust - and then swoop in as the mediator and broker.

I'm surprised the invasion hasn't started yet.


Exactly.


... and then it's Eurasia United - from Lisbon to Hǎishēnwǎi.

Maybe it's all for the best and all is well in the universe as a little bird told me.

This isn't the first time they've tried this, nor will it be the last.

You are too atomized, too easily divided - to pull off any such thing.

In the end, you'll accept what's presented - because various Orbans and Ficos and Babis' will block all your noble attempts at acting decisively.

The people that had strong opinions, will one day leave. Other, younger people - not as invested in past conflicts - will come and argue that it's important to engage, because not to do so means to not be a player. Everyone will clap, and say prayers for the departing dinosaurs.

Then it'll repeat again.

It's baked into the architecture and DNA of your thing. Meaning - the EU weaknesses.

The founding "partners" - France and Germany - ensured it would be this way.

I think the world is gonna be a lot more like it was in the past.

Everyone's gonna stick to minding their own business in their own little gardens.

Trump has said as much - he wants to focus on his hemisphere. He wants to break the Canadians, invade the Venezuelans, nationalize the Panamians, free his buddy from jail in Brazil, and so on.

China wants to do as it wishes in its waters - and boss around various Philippines and Myanmars without lectures from others.

Russia wants to cobble back together what it can of its own former space.

Europe can be a little neat island of prosperity and calm - like Disneyland. Good museums, good wine, rich history... So long as it can STFU and doesn't try to spread "values" and "principles" to others.

Another thing that makes me wonder...

...perhaps Konfa, and all the other nationalist teddy bears, saw the writing on the wall and - on the sidelines - had a better feeling or hunch of what was going on. Hence, Braun's letter to Lavrov...

polsatnews.pl/wiadomosc/2025-11-20/braun-chce-normalizacji-w-polityce-wschodniej-partia-napisala-list-do-lawrowa/

... the plot thickens more than it has ever thickened before.


We are now.

However, once the economic crisis begins and Europeans start to feel it ever more acutely then old primal instincts will return to us, and no one will be tiptoeing around midgets like Orbán and Fico. I have no idea why everyone thinks Europe is not capable of going "full-nazi" again. Of course she is.

Ay, there's the rub.

Communism fell because at some point it was no longer able to spread its values and principles to others. When this happens, you get colonised - first mentally, then economically and finally fully. It almost happened to Russia in 1990s.

Europe must keep her values and spread them, but in a more authoritarian way. We have all it takes: technology, money, industry, manpower etc. We just need to be a bit more selfish and firm because the entire world has become more selfish and firm.

It was discussed in Russian press, but a little bit overshadowed by the closure of the Consulate in Gdansk...

Also, it was noticed by our Hohol brothers, causing some dupa ignitions...

It's a nice letter - seemingly not written by a Menorah-extinguishing maniac.

Of course, as a Pole - he had to start with complaints about removing the Virtuti Militarii and September Campaign Cross from the cemetery reliefs. But ok... that's fair, and better than some "saccharine" letter which fools no one.

The Katyn stuff... is exhausting... but probably the only logical place where we can pick up and start rebuilding some kind of shabby dialogue.

There's nothing else to discuss, as we cut everything with each other - so we must go back to the eternal Katyn to have something in common again.

Probably another big visit to the grounds (hopefully without a plane crash), and just do everything all over again.

No. Katyń is prehistory. Just like Volhyn.

Braun had to mention it - pensioners are still a large part of his voter base, and he has to present himself as a staunch defender of all things Polish to appeal to nationalist troglodytes (another significant part of his voter base). I don't think he gives two f*cks about Katyń himself. I would be very disappointed (and bored) if Russia allowed herself to be dragged into Katyń issue again.

Maybe. Maybe you're right.

To my mind - so long as you don't manage to erase Poles, Germans, Italians, Spaniards, Romanians, etc - and build "Europeans" - it won't happen.

You won't get some United States, or Russian Federation, or China.

White Anglos bind the US. Russians bind the RF. Han bind China.

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During the Euro crisis - you folks were ready to let people die, rather than share a couple hundred bucks with each other. That was telling...

The British managed to whip themselves up into such a paranoia about being taken advantage of - that they had a full mental collapse and bailed. This, was symptomatic.

During COVID, the blanket pulling in all directions started again in earnest - and was pretty damn ugly.

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It's enough to listen to Ironsides and Korvinuses to see why this thing is going to be very hard to put together.

People are still talking about Visegrad groups, and intermariums. So... maybe in another 200 years the Intermariums might recede into the rear view mirror?

I think that's because of the meeting in Kiev on Friday. The Americans sent their Army Secretary, some Driscoll, in to the meeting - inexperienced in politics and diplomacy he told the Euros and Ukies they were a bunch of arseholes, that Ukraine had no cards and the better sign it.

So what to do ? Ring Golden Cow direct or take the sensible approach of making plans for a worse case scenario. The Americans have been foolish and incompetent - and they are making it worse with Rubio clearly at odds with the crazies.

You are right that all North Nigeria needs to do is pour a large cup of Cuban coffee and watch the comedy.

Not proud to say this as a Russian - but I believe that is the exact calculus by Putin.

He doesn't mind being dragged into it again. Not at all.

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I don't understand why we should pull anything off of monuments to dead Poles (the medals, and the other stupid things the Kremlin ordered).

Even if the Poles are weekly coming out to Soviet POW cemeteries and taking big dumps on those graves - why should we reciprocate and also act like idiots?

There's no good reason to continually mess with the Katyn grounds. But it's done anyway...

Because:

1) We don't sell each other anything
2) We've cut all ties
3) But still, somewhere deep inside - we think it's important to fix things with Poles. Even if it's not "popular".
4) So we go back to picking at this old wound, because there is no other way than this grotesque method to start talking again. Because if we don't, maybe the Poles will simply forget about us one day?
5) While people are alive (the Brain pensioners), and the pain has resonance - why not use it? Tomorrow, it won't be as effective.

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It's cynical.

Well, that does make sense.

On the other hand - that meeting you mentioned - as I understood... happened at the acting ambassadors house in Kiev where the other ambassadors were invited.

Not exactly - the highest level - at which you might decide "Ok - this it - let's roll with it".

A bunch of secondary and tertiary people meeting in an informal setting and shooting the sh*t.

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But nothing else makes as much sense, so I think you are right.

Again, incredible stuff. Just really hard to wrap one's brain around.

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The lost-looking senator who's begging people to believe him that he actually heard Rubio say what he thinks he heard... cherry on top.

The idea of Intermarium will be consigned to the dustbin of history right after the EU manages to integrate much more closely. There will simply be no more need for it then.

As it is, the "small" nations between Germany and Russia, whose right to independence was and still is questioned by various Dugins and Fyodorovs of this world, not to mention Chrupallas and Protschkas (notice how the greatest c*nts have Slavic-origin names), treat Intermarium as a grand idea safeguarding their freedom.


... and you know what I think of Soviet soldiers' monuments issue in Poland.


Talk to a Pole for a bit longer, even a Korvinus-type, and you will hear the same thing about Russians.

How did we end up in this mess? Ah, well... if all this is seen and understood by a Russian émigré businessman and a Polish physics teacher, then maybe - just maybe - our politicians, deep inside, think in a similar way too. Here's hoping.

@Bobko
Europe's "plan" is to allow Ukraine to bleed out, while bleeding Russia so they can prepare for the all feared Russian attack on the EU. So, Poland needs another three to five years to be ready, Germany at least five, France who TF knows. We know Slovakia and Hungary would not participate in a war with Russia, I would probably add Czech to that list as well.

The EU peace plan does not exist. They dont want it. Meanwhile, the US continues to spend on this and it shouldnt. It really is that simple. Ukraine is not a US protectorate, or territory. It is not the US responsibility. Ukraine is so corrupt, it make DC look like a kindergarten.

The stupid fvvkker approach to Polish nationalism.... be subservient to moscow. They might not always like the side effects but it's a world they understand, perpetual victimhood and no real responsibility....

Braun's shenanigans in public are infantile tantrums. Like russians he wants to be told what to do and what to think.His mind is captive to his pyschological limitations.

As has been clarified many times, Europe has spent more cash and sent as many weapons as the US. And don't forget other democracies like SK, Japan and Australia.

The one piece of leverage the US does have is intelligence capabilities. So they are playing this card for all it is worth, but they have overplayed their hand this time. Europe needs to find ways to build up their own infrastructure that is not reliant on people like Musk or Hegseth who have addiction issues.

Yip.

Even Poland is launching her own independent military sattelites...

wnp.pl/tech/wojsko-wkracza-w-nowa-ere-rozpoznania-polskie-satelity-czekaja-na-start,1002778.html

portalobronny.se.pl/wideo/nowa-era-polskiego-wywiadu-satelita-wojskowy-iceye-juz-gotowy-do-startu-aa-sxuv-2bDL-tgum.html

hmmm hmmmm hmmmmm

Interesting how public topics change..... no one's talking about the Ukraine corruption scandal and everybody's busy talking about how awful the US "plan" is (which "plan" is not new and has been around forever).

Does any politician understand Don Draper's famous quote as well as Trump does?

Can't wage war on China because nukes, and China isn't as stupid as Russia and won't invade some shitter country just to let west pump it full of weapons and money. No fun allowed in the world, until someone finally invents a foolproof defense against nukes or some superweapon that can take them all out before they have a chance to be launched. Until that time, the Nothing Ever Happens guy reigns superme.