Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25

Really? you forget western aid.....


Correct.And now they are showing that tech made them superior to Russia.


I doubt that, Polish military is now too strong for Russia.


I think it's the other way round, some Russians feel a huge superiority over Poles....... they are wrong.


Face the facts, most Russians ARE wild Asians!

And does this mean that America can invade a pro-Western part of, say, Belarus, and annex it on a vote? Or Russia can invade Texas and annex it if Trump gets removed from office?

It's still an illegal act.

But Russia is winning the war in Ukraine?
Trump is doing a great job!

people are more desperate to get out of russia than India?

Don't try to use legality in any discussion, that boat didn't so much as sail as was blown out of the water by the NATO countries with their invasions and regime changes. The current genocidal onslaught facilitated by the NATO countries has exposed their hypocrisy and has been noted by everyone.

Russia has been banished from the world stage yet the Apartheid state of Israel is welcomed by NATO countries. The Israeli thugs banned by the British police are welcomed by the British State that has been facilitating genocide.

@Miloslaw
Why do you keep posting YouTube videos when we all have the internet?

How many countries has NATO invaded?

I know Ireland's got a h@rd on for Palestinians but you do realize they've been executing people in the street and despise every single thing about Irish culture, don't you?

And... if they could... what would Palestinians do to Israel that isn't 10 times worse than what Israel has done to Palestinians?

....you surely mean democratic state!


Barney would hate to live under HAMAS rule...as a leftie he would not survive for long!

In Israel he would...the big difference...

@mafketis
NATO countries have invaded almost every country in he Middle East. There is no point listing either but it's overwhelmingly NATO countries doing the invading and Muslim countries being invaded. There are some places trying to win favour from NATO by joining the invasions...Ukraine springs to mind which is surprising as they don't seem to like being invaded


Of course, I would hate to live under any theocratic apartheid

Why does an Irish support islamist terror? Because its far away....yet....

You don't have many islamists between your borders actually, haven't you Barney? No attacks, no murders, no amok killing sprees?

Be glad about it....but don't be naive! For them you are no different to any other Westerner which needs to be converted or killed.....just stop and think for a minute what you are supporting so strongly!

When? As NATO?


Cause you can't!

I have never supported any terrorist action that is the point of my posts. I simply oppose genocide, colonialism and all forms of anti democratic actions like regime change or old school coups. I don't have a hard on for Palestine in particular but see it as he litmus test just as opposition to Apartheid South Africa as a few decades ago. Support for Israel is incompatible with support for Ukrain's war against Russian Invasion.


Pathetic

Where is the difference between russian soldiers sneaking over the border and murdering, kidnapping Ukrainian civilians, women and children and Hamas terrorists doing it within Israel?

Ukraine tries to defend itself, its people and its border....Israel does exactly the same....only so much more effective!

Is that the difference you mean? Jews being able to defend themselves and punish the murderers? Would you prefer them also helplessly looking on? Begging the uncaring world community for help? What would you have them doing instead what you could still support?

A "litmus"-test question from me....do you think the total destruction of Germany (aka Dresden) was necessary to end this war, to end the Nazis? Would that also fall under "genocide" and if not, why not?

.@Bratwurst Boy
I have answered that question several times and it's not the silver bullet you think it is. The genocide of the Baltic Germans for example was wrong and not necessary to bring the Germans to heel.

I do think it's distasteful to draw comparisons between legal Palestinian resistance and German genocidal aggression. No one was occupying Germany having expelled the people and refusing to allow the survivors to return. In Palestine however that is exactly what is happening. So the illegal onslaught on Palestine from the genocide in Gaz@ to the ethnic cleansing in the wast bank cannot be supported while opposing Putins onslaught on Ukraine. I think that last point is obvious. Palestinians have a legal right to resist occupation. This site is full f people talking about guns and how they would deal with invaders etc. well the same people object when Palestinians do as they fantasise.

I think not!

Its similiar....WWII did only end with the total destruction of the Nazis and their infrastructure....even the ethnic cleansing of german lands was necessary! Brutal, inhuman, cruel with lotsa innocent victims but with the hindsight of nearly a century peace, necessary!

The Palis stand before the same question...fighting and suffering and dying for lost lands, for a past that will never come back or do away with their terrorist overlords and accept the peace they get!

And Israel does its best to destroy the terrorist infrastructure, helping the peace-preferring civilians along....these situations are definitely comparable!

PS: Maybe a good start would be to avoid such bummer-words like "genocide" generally....all your argumentation gets devalued by using such words, its just plain wrong. For that to many Palis still exists and keep on living, totally unthreatened!

The non confrontational approach has really helped the indigenous population in the wast bank retain their land, lives and culture. There is no problem for any Palestinian getting building permission in this occupied land and luckily no one else can take their land or demolish their homes.


Clearly there is no comparison, the Germans launched an unprovoked war of annihilation, Palestinians on the other hand are resisting occupation.

A word like genocide or phrases like ethnic cleansing are accurate descriptions of the situation, it's how colonialism happens.

Not unprovoked, Barney!

Believe me, Hitler would had been just an unimportant footnote of history hadn't he been able to count on and grow huge on feelings of suffered injustice after WW1 and wishes for revenge, for getting back what was lost/taken away!
The same as Hamas does with the Palis today....and as with Germany back then...instead getting back what we lost, every lost war made us smaller, left us less land. The Palis better stop that now or they will lose also even more land, and never get anything back!

And its neither genocide nor colonialism.....neither get all Palis murdered for just being Palis nor does Israel want anything from them, just being left alone! They build huge fences for stopping Palis coming in....that has nothing to do with undertaking a genocide or wanting to colonialize anybody but anything with guarding their homes!

You should google these words for their true meaning, Barney!

The imperialist whinging doesn't justify the unprovoked genocidal war. Every representative of the Palestinians have been demonised by Israel and their NATO backers. It doesn't matter who won the elections in Palestine they would be painted as terrorists because they wanted equality. The same thing happened in every colonial outpost that tried to rebrand as democratic.

Israel is an expansionist entity that steals land from the surrounding states and the rump of Palestine except the states bought by the US. If they wanted to be left alone why do they have a government stuffed with terrorists who live in occupied land. A government, the latest of many, that encourages land theft. If they anted to be left alone why steal others land?

...because it IS THEIR LAND! Has been even before the Arabs came...they have been ethnically cleansed before, they won't allow that again!


@Barney

Just saying....every try to justify Hamas today is a nod to the Nazis back then, they did nothing else...and making the Allies the bad guys!

That's why I keep bringing that comparison up...not for nothing have these Arabs been such fans of Hitler (and most Palis still are)!

Just think about that for a moment....look for better company, they are just not worth your support, and at best you are totally naive.

'night all *waves*

I know a better word but in the spirit of ...I am not sure what...I will not use it here.

Memo to all: With an army like the IDF, history doesn't matter.

It's like saying: The check bounced, so the US should return Alaska.

Every 4th soldier would be a woman. 🙈

NATO is purely defensive alliance though. What one or other member does on its own is of no consequence.

No, its not. Dude, its the other way around. It is Israel that is wiping out Palestine.
Jews live everywhere. Should we carve every single country they may happen to reside in and give them political jurisdiction there? What makes Palestine different? The Bible?

Unless you can show that the Palestinians were throwing phosphorous bombs at the Jews all the good reasons why Israel should be allowed to exist at this point is irrelevant when the problem is that it is Palestine that is being denied the right to exist.

Indeed. The Palistinians need a leader like Brandt who acknowledges that what has been lost will never again be theirs, and instead consolidate what they still have. Sadly such a leader is no-where in sight.

Congratulations Germans! Poland is once again pissing in your face.

You must really enjoy it, because there is never a response.

Only the AfD and the government of Viktor Orban seem willing to stand up for German interests.

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1) Asking for trillion dollar reparations.

2) Blowing up their strategic energy infrastructure.

3) Poisoning the Oder.

Carrying on well, gentlemen! Proceed as you are - and you will remain famous friends with your neighbor.

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You're not reading this right, kiddo.

In the current geopolitical situation Germans would find it rather difficult to investigate and persecute the perpetrator, so it was actually to Germany's benefit that Poland "defied" them. Remember that Tusk is Germany's lapdog - if Germans really wanted Poland to hand over the suspect, Poland would have handed him over in 20 seconds.

Besides, it was a legitimate strike on enemy's infrastructure during a just defensive war. Nothing to see here.

@Bobko

Remeber also that Italians did exactly the same thing: Serhii Kuznietsov was arrested in Italy in August 2025 under a European Arrest Warrant issued by Germany in connection with the Nord Stream pipelines explosions. He was supposed to be handed over to the Germans too, but a couple of days ago the Italian Supreme Court annulled the extradition order and sent the case back for reconsideration, thereby blocking the immediate surrender.

Is Italy also sh*tting on Germany? No. They are doing them a favour. Just like we just did.

Is the EU at war with Russia? Is Germany? How about Poland?

It's hard to disagree with the Hungarian foreign minister here... because Polish judges are exploring some new legal frontiers here.

1) "Functional immunity" - as claimed by the Polish judge - typically applies to official acts of a state actor exercising governmental authority in an international, diplomatic/consular context. It doesn't apply to James Bond type actions, where you are blowing up other people's infrastructure.

Under this definition, anyone can do anything - and then claim "I did this on behalf of my state."

2) The court says: "If Ukraine organized the act ... then only Ukraine can be held responsible."

This is retarded. It completely ignores individual criminal liability. In normal countries, both an individual and a state can be held liable for criminal acts - especially ones involving terrorism.

Under this definition, all the 9/11 guys had to be let go, and the prosecution focused only on Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. No Guantanamo.

3) Poland cannot refuse to comply with a European Arrest Warrant, unless it suspects risk of torture, political pressure, or double jeopardy. None of which apply to the German case.

4) You literally had Nawrocki and Tusk telegraphing what they think the Polish judge should do, days before he actually began to review the case. Even Putin doesn't do such things.

5) The piece of infrastructure in question was "non combatant infrastructure", so claiming war time context seems strange.

No, but we support Ukrainian defensive effort against Russian invasion.


... and Italian judges as well.


Watch us.


Well, you've been saying that Poles and Russians are brothers - we learn from the best (and surpass them!). ;)

And the piece of infrastructure might have been non-combatant but it was vital in financing Russian war effort. It had to go, sorry.

This is the fundamental misunderstanding most people with your views have, you believe any large and powerful country can invade a smaller country and there is nothing anyone can do about it. So you must always listen to large and powerful countries or you might get invaded.

Its technically correct but its also cynical, misplaced and doesn't align to what the majority of the world thinks or what the UN, international law and sovereignty means.

To keep this simple, any country in the world has a right to decide its own future and who it wants to align with politically, economically or through other similar unions.

If I made posts that every ME country must do exactly what Israel tells them to do or wants them to do or they will get invaded I can guarantee you most people wouldn't agree with that. But Israel could invade and defeat any ME country and the US could do the same.

So you " right" about the reality of how any powerful military can operate but it doesn't make it " right " and its not a world I am sure most of us want to live in which is basically " might makes right ".

Saying all that every country in world has a right to defend itself if invaded and any country can send military aid to that country if they want. This is same logic that applies to your view around powerful countries dictating to smaller countries, powerful countries can also help smaller countries if they invaded.

So if we follow your view on Ukraine now which is basically " Ukraine should have agreed to what Russia wanted to avoid invasion " you also must agree " any country can provide Ukraine with assistance because it was invaded ".

And thats exactly what is happening, your views are being realized as we speak. Don't complain .

You support Ukraine, by sabotaging the economy of its greatest benefactor?

Even as Ukraine continued to pump billions of cubic meters of "aggressor" gas, earning transit fees in the process (it ended only on January 1, 2025)?

Maybe it is possible to help Ukraine by sending them more weapons, or more money? Are you sure the best way to help Ukraine is by blowing up German energy infrastructure?


The Italian Cassation Court was much more circumspect in its motivations. In fact, we still don't fully know them.

It only recommended that a panel of judges of the same appeals court review the case.

The Italian judges are not rewriting all of international law, as they make politically expedient decisions. Only Polish judges are this brave and Sarmatian.


Yes, watching in awe of your Polishness.