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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25


OP Novichok  8 | 10803
21 hrs ago   #781
Trump just listens to the last person that whispered in his ear.

I am afraid that it's always one of Trump's females...family or hired.
Torq  21 | 1870
21 hrs ago   #782
russia could leave Ukraine tomorrow

They could, after two weeks in 2022, when it was obvious that the blitzkrieg failed.

Now, after all this time, all the casualties and all the material losses, do you really see Russia withdrawing from Ukraine just like that? Too much is at stake, too much was destroyed already, and too many people died for such scenario to be still possible.
mafketis  43 | 11769
21 hrs ago   #783
too much was destroyed already, and too many people died for such scenario to be still possible

This is russia... they can withdraw to 2013 borders, call it a great victory and dare anybody to disagree (maybe throw a few who do disagree from windows to drive the point home) and within 2 weeks bobko and velund would be talking about russia stronk! russia stronk! they beat the hohols so bad! yay russia!!!!
Torq  21 | 1870
21 hrs ago   #784
bobko and velund would be talking about russia stronk! russia stronk! they beat the hohols so bad! yay russia!!!

That's definitely not how either Bobko or Velund sound.

Fascinating. The extent to which peoples' perception of everything can be distorted is truly immense, but there's always a reason for the distortion. For some it's fear, for other's hatred or contempt. What is it for you, Maf?
mafketis  43 | 11769
21 hrs ago   #785
That's definitely not how either Bobko

They wouldn't use those words, but that would be the idea... that russia did everything it wanted/needed to and it was a great victory.

Bobko supports continuing the war even though he said he was 'appalled' that it began....

russians can't have firmly held public opinions.... they repeat what they're told to repeat... and ultimately believe what they're told to believe. When has it ever been different?
Torq  21 | 1870
21 hrs ago   #786
that russia did everything it wanted/needed to and it was a great victory

I doubt it. There was much more nuance in their posts even early in the war.

Anyways, as Bobko wisely noticed, little people like us have almost no influence over the events decided by powers that be. We can, however, remain homo more or less sapiens and it will be our victory.
mafketis  43 | 11769
20 hrs ago   #787
little people like us have almost no influence

vomit.... did Solidarity fall for that line? Did the maidan protesters fall for it?

"We're tiny and have no influence" is the siren song of losers.
Torq  21 | 1870
20 hrs ago   #788
Solidarity

Well, when there's 10 million little people, things change a bit - a matter of scale.
mafketis  43 | 11769
20 hrs ago   #789
there's 10 million little people, things change a bit - a matter of scale

Yeah, over 25% of the population were not afraid to publicly say the PRK stunk.... not even one percent of russians are prepared to say that putin stinks (though he, as Gessler once put it "śmierdzi trupem").
cms neuf  1 | 2231
20 hrs ago   #790
Now - I suppose - Iran and North Korea are bound to get some sophisticated goodies in their Christmas stocking.

Neither of them believe in Christmas

I'm sure they can't wait to get their hands on some moth eaten Cold War missiles and tanks disguised as houses

If North Nigeria really has these wunder waffen why are they stuck in the same place since the 2022 World Cup ?

The lady who wrote that article has not spent even a day in a North Nigerian frontline trench where commanders extort and rape their recruits and send them out with no ammo and no armor.
Torq  21 | 1870
20 hrs ago   #791
25% of the population were not afraid to publicly say

Oh, come on - people in the EU can freely say that they disagree with the EU's foreign policies, for example.

And it's exactly the same in Russia - Russians are not afraid to publicly say that they disagree with the EU's policies.

;)
Bobko  28 | 2794
20 hrs ago   #792
The lady who wrote that article has not spent even a day in a North Nigerian frontline trench

Dara?

Yes she has.

Alongside Rob Lee, Michael Koffman, Konrad Muzyka, and that Austrian fella.

They make several trips annually, and then go home and write reports for RAND, CNS, Polish MoD, etc.
Korvinus  8 | 800
20 hrs ago   #793
Putin was interested in Minsk II.

From Russia's point of view agreements with Russia are tools for Russia to wield against others to accomplish their goals, not binding limitations on or commitments for Russia. And Russia also thinks it is actually shameful for Russia to abide by an agreement that actually disfavors Russia, so that situation must be corrected as soon as possible.

NO, it was caused by RU having been unwilling to accept UA sovereignty.
Bobko  28 | 2794
19 hrs ago   #794
From Russia's point of view agreements with Russia are tools for Russia .

Congratulations - you have described how every serious nation conducts its foreign policy.
cms neuf  1 | 2231
19 hrs ago   #795
@Bobko

I am amazed that she is allowed by NN command anywhere near the front line - all her pics and videos show her in a pant suit on some stage or podcast
Mr Grunwald  34 | 2272
19 hrs ago   #796
What did I tell you?

I am expecting a North Korea/South Korea divide with tight border. No peace treaty just a long lasting truce with no end
Miloslaw  24 | 5543
19 hrs ago   #797
Generally it's a good idea to look at whatever r*SSians say and assume the opposite is true.

Brilliant advice!

...because "Russia is losing" - at least according to Milo...

How can you deny it? After 3.5 years they only hold 20% of Ukraine, much of which was captured earlier, they have lost hundreds of thousands of troops and tons of equipment and yet they still can't advance any further!In fact they are being attacked in Russia now! How the £uck can that be winning????
OP Novichok  8 | 10803
19 hrs ago   #798
How can you deny it? After 3.5 years they only hold 20% of Ukraine,

In July, 1945, the US was holding less than 20% of Japan.

A month later, Japan was begging for mercy...while signing unconditional surrender...with 200,000 bodies rotting in the heat of summer...
Korvinus  8 | 800
18 hrs ago   #799
Congratulations - you have described how every serious nation conducts its foreign policy.

So a classic case of selective justice. Why anyone would want to have anything to do with that kind of "serious nation"?

And this is classic Russian imperialism 101.

But the only way this can be sustainable is you cannot take the risk of allowing any country to decide there own future, which is why the political interference and invasions become a mandatory part of Russian geopolitical objectives
Velund  1 | 537
18 hrs ago   #800
they can withdraw to 2013 borders

We may choose to withdraw to 1913 borders, if NATO will ask. ;)
Ironside  53 | 13769
18 hrs ago   #801
Why anyone would want to have anything to do with that kind of "serious nation"?

Go back to kindergarten and learn.
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So a classic case of selective justice.

Why are you a juice warrior? Orange or apple?
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What is RAISON D'ÊTRE for politicians and the politics of a country?
Miloslaw  24 | 5543
17 hrs ago   #802
And the Russophiles on here STILL think that Russia is winning this war?
HaHaHaHaHa!

Miloslaw  24 | 5543
17 hrs ago   #803
Yeah,yeah,yeah..... Russia is winning this war! LOL!!!!!


Bobko  28 | 2794
17 hrs ago   #804
So a classic case of selective justice

Hehehehe!

Hello, and good morning!

Would you like some coffee?
OP Novichok  8 | 10803
17 hrs ago   #805
Hey, Bobko, how close are you to the point of total exasperation or exhaustion?

From the post above ... very close...
Torq  21 | 1870
11 hrs ago   #806
total exasperation or exhaustion

I bet that's why Crow left PF.

He could see better and sooner than we did that this inter-Slavic abomination of a war will shatter the foundations of three largest Slavic countries and effectively end Slavia as any real or even potential future power in the world.

It doesn't look like at this point Polish-Russian war can be avoided. Too many factors clearly point in this direction.

Today people can call it "SMO" or "war in Ukraine" or "Donbass conflict" etc. History, however, will remember it as End-of-Slavia War or Glory of the Anglos War, or perhaps the most aptly Slavic Retards War.
Torq  21 | 1870
11 hrs ago   #807
How cunning are the people behind this war!

They used all the factors to their benefit...

- Russian irrational fear of being attacked from западное направление (justified in times of Napoleon or Hitler but nonsensical today because of nuclear weapons);

- Putin's psychology (his propensity for violence and imperialistic dreams);

- Ukrainian nationalism with nazi-banderist roots;

- Polish fear dating back to partitions, insurrections, Siberian gulags, NKVD etc.

... they gathered all these ingredients together and they cooked the End-of-Slavia war.

C*nts of the highest order, yes, but one can't help but admire their cunning.
OP Novichok  8 | 10803
11 hrs ago   #808
The problem is NATO.

We don't need it for our securtiy but it allows the US to deploy all kinds of crap that goes boom at Russia's doorstep.

The US would shlt a brick if the situation was reversed.

From Russia'a POV, NATO in Ukraine would be add an insult to the injury so they drew a red line there.
Torq  21 | 1870
10 hrs ago   #809
The problem is NATO.

The problem is, Novi, that Russia - together with other BRICS countries - was successfully challenging the monopolar order of the world. If they had continued to consistently pursue this goal in a peaceful manner, the USA would have faced certain and permanent loss of their hegemony in the world.

So, a war had to be cooked; and the war was cooked.

The problem is that the puppet masters (not the muppets we see on TV) knew exactly on what fears, complexes and phobias to play to start this war and keep it going. The problem is that even now, when all this is pretty much obvious, Russia sees the EU as their worst enemy (it is enough to listen to their politicians and media) and neither Britain nor the US are even EU members! The problem is Polish, Russian and Ukrainian mental retardation. Polish because we think we can build huge army and decisively tip the scales of this war in Ukraine's favour; Ukraine because they believed that policy of confrontation with Russia can somehow improve their situation; Russian because they allowed themselves to be dragged into this war instead of calmly doing what they had been doing perfectly before 2014. When the dust settles many years from now, this war will turn out to be a true disaster for all countries directly involved. As I said - that's why Crow left. Slavia is no more.

Of course, it was all artistically cooked: Ukraine - the only country allowed to openly worship Waffen-SS and not be totally ostracized by the civilised world; Poland - hysterically fearing the return of Russian domination and pumping billions upon billions into her army; Russia - still butt-hurt about the fall of Soviet Union and still cherishing 19th century imperial ambitions. Perfect ingredients.
cms neuf  1 | 2231
10 hrs ago   #810
Russian because they allowed themselves to be dragged into this war

Yeah, it's terrible for them

Maybe they could allow themselves to be dragged back to their own country and leave their neighbors in peace


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