Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25

russian hell, on the other hand, still has plenty of room....

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The difference:

Russians volunteer to go to the front and to the Russian Hell.

Ukrainians are dragged to the front and to the Ukrainian Hell.

Western warmongers just stand there, watch, and lick their bloody fingers...for "freedom and democracy", of course...that precious thing others should be ready to die for...

We will just cheer them on...from a safe distance...

BTW, why isn't Poland, Germany, France, and the UK fighting along Ukrainians? Invoking A5 is optional so don't mention it.

I love this guy...



I looked up "irony" and "hypocrisy" and found this:

Best observed among the Brits who leave the UK for Poland while expressing undying love for Muslim refugees.

Down below, it says: See Jon.

More russians acting russians.......

Given the abuse, torture and threats of death that russian soldiers routinely get FROM THEIR OWN OFFICERS how does anyone think Ukrainians would be treated by russia?

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Of course hardly any russians care that their brothers, husbands, sons are brutalized and/or end up dead as long as they get their pay out from the government.

This women says she cares but both she and her husband support the war so.... I don't give a rats @ss what happens to either of them.....

Sad country full of broken people....

We don't have to think. We know...

Crimea joined Russia 11 years ago. If Russia treated Crimean Ukrainians badly, it would be known to every rat in New York by now.

Books would be written, and movies made to keep the U soldiers from surrendering..."Better dead than Russified" would be everywhere...

You are really not that swift...

I will tell you a secret. We want Ukraine to win. OK? So stop your nonsense.

russia being russia..... part 459....

the russian army is doing so well that it's abducting foreigners in russia for work or study into the army and sending them to the front...

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supposedly russia wants a million Indians to come to the country (no referendum on what the public thinks about that....) but something tells me that's not going to happen

Feel sorry for this Indian guy but 30 is pretty old for a student visa ! There might be some who thought they would be in some kind of back up or logistics position behind the line

That's what's happened to more than a few Nepalis. They're told they'll get contracts as "security guards" and then when they get to North Nigeria they sign the contract and are promptly told that they've just signed enlistment papers for the North Nigerian army.

It looks the US and other NATO countries in Europe have decided to directly confront Russia. Putin had enough time to make peace. Now it's too late it seems.

War is good for business, especially for America that is not going to be directly involved, besides selling military equipment to Ukraine and EU. I don't think NATO soldiers will put boots on the ground just yet, but they will militarize Ukrainian soldiers up to their teeth as if it was a NATO country. Ukraine may also "hire" contractors from EU and other countries to fight, but they officially won't call them "NATO soldiers."

Poland, as always, will be in the middle of it all.

Really? The way I read it, Trump has washed his hands of this war.


A fact that I'm sure delivers you tremendous joy.

I guess Trump will officially say something like: "The US and NATO will not be directly involved in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, but we will do everything to support Ukraine and Europe to prevent further world-wide escalation. We will not put American soldiers on the ground."

Translation, again: Full military support for Ukraine, "contract" soldiers (many from Poland) to properly use the equipment from day one, but nothing under the official NATO flag. Makes sense for NATO to get involved now, considering Russia is weaker than a year or two ago.

In addition, severe economic sanctions on Russia will follow. The US counts on inflicting as much pain as possible to the Russian economy, so that Russians finally and peacefully get rid of Putin. In the longer term, it could work. Like a quick Cold War 2.0.

It brings me no joy, but we Poles have always been mentally prepared to protect our land. We have no choice.

Yes, you do. See France in 1940.

Only defending your wife and kids is worth dying for. Nothing else...


Nobody wants your land. Russia would pay not to have it because it would come with Poles.


Why would the US send one American to his death because some azzholes 5000 miles away can't play in the sandbox?

Is Putin taunting Nato once again by sending drones over Denmark, as yet more sightings are now reported over airport?

Is the US taunting Russia by expending NATO from where it was in 1990?

Of course, not...NATO expansion is meant to protect "freedom and democracy"...not to weaken Russia, cut it up, and sell the pieces to BlackRock.

A simplified version for morons:

NATO expansion - good

Russia expansion - bad

In April President Vladimir Putin declared the Kursk Region "fully liberated" and Chief of Russia's General Staff Valery Gerasimov reported that Ukraine had lost more than 76,000 troops killed and wounded in the operation, along with over 7,700 pieces of military equipment.

Only 76,000? Nothing is ever enough when defending freedom and democracy. I am so proud...Without this, the US would face an existential threat ... from somebody...

I am so glad we are in NATO along with Albania and Denmark.

NATO is a defense pact that attacks no one. russia is a treacherous aggressor killing its closest brothers.

Russia's attack on Ukraine is like Hitler's expansion. I'm puzzled why Putin and his team invaded Ukraine when Russia has so much empty land and resources. They probably regret it now. The political damage to the relationship with the West is good for two generations.

Wasn't it explained before? Putin didn't expect Ukraine to put up a fight. He expected some token resistance and aimed to switch the government in Kyiv with a little help from his soldiers. Unexpectedly, Ukraine put up quite a fight.

As for the reason, it is simple: to restore Russia's imperial status and influence in the region.

No.

Hitler expanded to enslave, kill, and murder. Russia didn't murder any Ukrainians. I asked how many Ukrainians were killed by Russia after Crimea joined Russia and got silence.

Russia is liberating Russian territory - just as they did in 1941-1945.

Did you know that Crimea and other oblasts had a separation referendum and are now part of the Russian Federation?

The aggressor is Ukraine, NATO useful idiots. 2 million of them dead and nothing in return...what a deal...


Bullshlt.

Putin mentioned NATO expansion only 1765 times, but PF morons pretend he did not.

EVEN IF they stole half of the Ukraine, the imperial status would be negligent because they would not restore the Baltic countries. Europe doesn't need Russia for anything, so their status would be wasted.

Maybe Belarus would be impressed, but it appears Belarusians (not the communist government, of course, but the general public) only wait for Russia's failure to get closer to the West. I see Belarus today as Poland in 1970-ties - it is inevitable that they will eventually break free from Russia and the backward realities of the previous century.

NN's continuing to get pushed back in Pokrovsk where they are running out of equipment and even sending some poor bastards on suicide assaults with no weapons.

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Sure, if I rob you, I can claim that I want to support the poor. That is BS If you listen to Russian BS about NATO, there is something wrong with your brain.
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The aim was to have Ukraine with a puppet government controlled by Moscow. The Baltic states would be left for later consumption. When Moscow looks at the Baltic, it sees tasty little morsels ready for picking, dangling in front of its nose. If not for that nasty NATO.

It was the Russian-run referendum. Like Democrats counting votes in elections.

Now - if you trust Democrats counting the votes, I will fully agree with you that the referendum was valid (even though it was not internationally recognized, but it's another issue).

Now I am curious - why is half of Ukraine marginal, but control over the Baltics makes you an instant superpower?

They have a combined population of around 5 million people. 2 million of which are pensioners.

It was that Pole, Bzezinski, who said the following:

"It cannot be stressed enough that without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire, but with Ukraine suborned and then subordinated, Russia automatically becomes an empire."

Ukraine allows you to project power deep into the continent. It gives you borders with 3 additional EU states. It allows for direct connection to European electricity and pipeline grids. Instead of a Kaliningrad, which is a total liability from a defense point of view, you get a massive beachhead into Europe, with rock solid logistics stretching back into the heart of Russia. You get not 5, but 15-20 million people (if you take only the Left Bank).

Unlike the impenetrable swamps of the Baltics, you get the best farmland in the world.

With the Ukrainian Black Sea coastline, Russia goes from having about as much coastline as Bulgaria or Georgia, to having the longest coastline - longer than Turkey's.

So what's so special about the Baltics?

Even 4 EU states, unless you count Slovakia as Upper Hungary ;)


Yes, but you still have aging and declining population, you are still China's junior partner (to put it extremely mildly), and your best pal is still the fatso Kim.

It was all not worth it, all nonsensical, all pointless.


eSStonian military traditions and Samogitian nobility of spirit

Rock solid logistics ?

Yes because if there's one thing North Nigeria is famous for it's the quality of its trains, buses and planes

Then what's so special about Russia if it so strongly relies on Ukraine?

A few countries will always be more powerful than one. More resources, higher allowable debt ratio, more diversity and more everything. Russia can have all the coastlines it wants, but it will be putting numerous resources on protecting them. It could be even worse than the US managing its debt.

@Bobko

Oh, sorry - I keep forgetting that you already border Poland through Królewiec. So that's 3 additional EU states indeed.

But NATO does prevent Russia from invading any NATO member, thats the main reason Putin doesn't like NATO. Everyone knows that NATO wont invade Russia which is why you wont find any statements from NATO that in any way support that idea.

But the moment a country joins NATO it can no longer be forced to join Russia sphere of influence through invasions or annexing of territory.

Why do you think the majority of East European countries couldn't join NATO fast enough when the Cold War ended, what do you think the reason for that was?

I would rather say...

joining NATO - voluntary

joining Russia - quite the contrary

... and it even rhymes!