Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 24

Haven't russians spilled enough blood? What a bunch of ghouls....

Polish values have always aligned more with western ones regarding individual rights the value of human dignity and human life and intellectual honesty.

More than a few times Poland has been ahead of the curve in terms of expressing western values.

russian values, on the other hand, revolve around worship of a god-king (tsar, first secretary, president) and the idea that individuals have no right to life or dignity if the god-king wishes otherwise and unremitting brutality against each other (outsiders have been repelled by russian intepersonal relations for centuries).

A few individuals might be charming, a few artists might do something okay but russian culture is vile and rotten to the core.

A plea to you (through Blanch Du Bois): Break free of your conformist, submissive russian values... don't hang with the brutes!!!!

Western goals were to use Ukraine to weaken Russia.

U and R were ready sign in 2022.

The US sent that British wh*ore to tell Z to fight, instead...

End of the story.


My words, exactly...

There is a reason why Poland was not invited to Washington and why Putin was greeted better than a British king.

Long live Putin and Russia. Please win.

Nonsense.

Last few days the NN trolls keep coming back to this 2022 bullshit as though none of their atrocities from the last 4 years have happened

It wasn't true then and even if it was then circumstances have changed

You won't see many trolls today though - they wilo be queuing up for petrol just like in the good old UNNR days they want to go back to.

Lies repeated over and over become truth...

Oh really? Why do you pretend that you care about human life? It is funny, in some other post, you claimed that you don't care about anybody but your close kin. Stop your lies.
Your stance derives from some agenda or need for trolling. simple. Who the hell do you think you are? You are too short to fool others.
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What do you have this meltdown? Are you drunk or do you need some help?
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Technically, because he lives in the West. Putting him aside, we were already talking about it. Poland is a Western civilisation regardless of whether anybody or anything recognizes that fact or not.
So, nobody is our blood ( aside from Ukrainians, as their territory has been pretty much settled by peasants from the Polish kingdom after 1569), as Slavic is about culture, not ethnicity. That is the crux of the matter in the video presented about Polish DNA the other day.
Also, an aggressor complaining about spilled blood is a tad hypocritical. If you care so much about it, don't start a war. Simple.

Exactly.

Even if someone magically transported Poland to Mongolian border, we would still be West.


Exactly.

Moreover, these days, in the times of mass abandoning of Christian faith in western Europe, islamization, leftardisation and general kurvisation, Poland remains Western par exellence. We are perhaps the Only True West left. Crow has always been spot on in this regard--it is Poland (with possible addition of other V4 members) that embodies everything that the West used to be. We are like the Western Part of the Roman Empire--there are still Romanians, Bulgarians, Serbs and Greeks - slightly orientalised but still European - they are the Eastern Part of the Empire. As for what was formerly known as the West (France, Benelux, Britain) - they currently undergo a transformation phase. Through self-hatred and leftardisation they turn into islamic shith*les - it will take two, maximum of three, generations and they will become Muslim states. Of course it will cease to be West by then, because - as Bobi very rightly noticed - "West" is not geographic but cultural. There is some hope for Germany still. Who knows, maybe Germany, V4, Austria, Slovenia, Croatia and the Baltics will form some sort of Holy Roman Empire of Central European Nations? That would make sense.


You're a wise man, Iron, but you luck empathy. Put yourself in Bobko's shoes. He is young, he is a proud and honourable man. He watches the army of his empire being held back for the fourth year by a Jewish comedian. Hence his pride suffers. He watches his army conducting drone hunts for one-year-old toddlers. Hence his honour suffers. Have some understanding.

They hope people will forget. Nobody will forget Bucha, Mariupol or the deliberate targeting of schools and hospitals. Ever.


A handful (and only a handful) that were far from the best of their period or type and which have been bettered thousands of times since, some extremely kitsch paintings and some (also frequently kitsch) classical music which only works with orchestras so large that only the Chinese can afford to do it properly nowadays.


You probably mean a very successful Ukrainian TV director and producer with offices in four countries, hit TV shows and who was elected the President of his country.

Corrupt NN stooges Orban and Fico are bleating to the EU because the Ukrainians attacked their fuel supply. They had 4 years to look for alternatives so they get everything they deserve.

North Korean starving elite troops are welcomed back by the dear leader, who has personally pocketed the cash Putler sent.

edition.cnn.com/2025/08/21/asia/kim-jong-un-north-korea-soldiers-russia-ukraine-intl-hnk

These elite troops wives are in for a shock tonight - they spent the last 6 months learning all the ins and outs of North Nigerian amateur ****.

One Chinese person, one accordion, one Russian waltz...

youtube.com/watch?v=5-cIthOGCDc&list=RD5-cIthOGCDc&start_radio=1

There is something wrong with you, Russia haters. I can understand hatred of Putin or the military war criminals hunting children with drones etc., but to constantly show contempt for a country and culture that is in no respect inferior to yours is ridiculous.

Torq it's an empire that had 200 million citizens - of course it had a rich culture of music and literature and painting. We all love Turgenev. But new art can only thrive under conditions of freedom - coincidentally there hasn't been anything of note the last 25 years except for a few tennis players and many gigabytes worth of amateur ****.

what do you mean by culture?

do you mean the literature, visual and performing arts?

do you mean the social structures (how people deal with each other at home, at work or with their government)?

there are some russian works of art that I appreciate

but I have nothing but contempt for russian social structures _because_ they inevitably give rise to kleptocratic governments that engage in domestic oppression and foreign invasions

and, unfortunately, the first (arts) are used to justify or excuse the second (state violence) again and again and again...

have you ever seen the movie kubanske kozaki? total fascist ethos about the bounty produced by collective farms filmed in the midst of a famine...

Have you really thought this statement through, Cms? When was Russia ever "free" by our standards?

Also, when was Polish literature, music, film etc. better - 1945-1989 or 1990-2025? OK, you can say 1945-1980, if you want periods of equal length.


Ech... no Sorokin, no Ulicka or Głuchowski? No Zwiagincew and no Giergijew?


But you guys have been sh*tting on every possible aspect of Russian culture for over three years now, not only on what you perceive as social inadequacies. You even spell 'Russia' either with small 'r' or with capitalised 'SS' in the middle.

I like to play retard sometimes too: talk about the Holiest Rzeczpospolita, Overall Polish Greatness, magical Pan-Slavic fantasies, Poland being The Only and True West etc. but I know I'm being a retard when I do that, and most intelligent people who read it realise that I am being a retard on purpose. You guys, on the other hand, are so f*cking persistent with your hatred of all things Russian that I have a strong suspicion that you are being genuine in this.

In such case...

- f*ck you, Maf;
- f*ck you, Jon;
- f*ck you, Cms.

... you're no better than Putinists themselves.

Unless you're just joking and I fell for it, then I apologise.

Something?

How about everything...Just as there is no such thing as partially moldy bread...You dump all of it...

- f*ck you, Maf;
- f*ck you, Jon;
- f*ck you, Cms.

Can I use the above in my future posts?

Once they take this position and build their entire existence here around it, it's next to impossible to admit being wrong - especially when an opinion is not about specific cases, but it covers a whole nation and its history.

That's why I am always as specific as I can about the Soviets and Germans. I would rather eat broken glass than resort to this British crap of calling German army NAZIS.

These men were as patriotic as any men who were drafted and wanted to come home alive.

We hanged those who crossed the line but left the boots alone.

Personally, I wish Germany and Russia the very best.

There are russians I agree with an admire, Galeev, Denis Zakharov, a few others.

I despise the traditional russian values that shape their socio-political system (apolitical apathy, preemptive obedience to authority, passive conformity, submission to any authority, loving their oppressors etc).

Of course I don't hate every individual russian - but I'm not going to be suckered into separating the government from the people - the people shape the government, not the other way around. I hold 'the russian people' responsible for creating one monster after another. Absolving them of responsibility is enabling.

His stuff is always worth reading.


Yes. You can say the same about much of the MENA region; the people perpetuate the misery that is dumped upon them. At least there they have the excuse of hot weather lethargy and multi-tribal societies which r*SSia doesn't.

You are a moron. In the UK, the country without borders, nobody asked for those smelly migrants but they are getting them anyway.

Why? Because the top doesn't give a fvck about how the bottom feels.

Why? Because the bottom is powerless and frightened by the hate speech laws - straight from the fascists playbook...

That's in a country with the Magna Carta. Scared and powerless...where the ruling mob, azzhole king, and the police always side with the invaders.

Have you smelled them? 👃

I have admiration for Rostopovich and Vishnevskaya who were stripped of their soviet citizenship and found themselves exiled....

They also made one of the great recordings of the century of Shoshtakovich's Lady Macbeth of Mtensk.... (itself one of the pinnacles of russian classical music and a devastating critique of traditional russian life).

Vishnevshaya's life story sounds like an opera (I think one was written about her) from being an unwanted hirsute baby of a military officer (IIRC) to almost starving to death in the siege of Leningrad to becoming one of the very few Soviet classical singers in international demand to de facto exiled dissident.

When I wrote about that before a russian just tried to make them into a dirty joke...

So.....


answered in random....

Let's remember: joint Russia-Germany victory parade, Brest-Litovsk, 1939




Accepting previously offered Russian terms would be suicidal and result in more death and suffering than many more years of the war.
Not to mention, Zelensky couldn't accept the terms even if he wanted, people of Ukraine would hang him and elect someone new to continue the war
Getting a ceasefire where Russia keeps the occupied land, but Ukraine doesn't get demilitarized, and can get western security guarantees - it is still an extremely tough pill to swallow for Ukrainians. If you look at the polls, while support for ceasefire finally got higher than for continuing the war, it flips back to majority supporting the war, if ceasefire includes ceding any Ukrainian land.

Yes because making a joke about North Nigeria is the moral equivalent of human safari or of raping new recruits in Pokrovsk or of littering Bucha high street with corpses.

Honestly who cares about cellists or literature when such beasts are committing these 1940s style atrocities

That's one of the better ones, as is a rather nice suite of music based on those Melodie's.

Boris Godunov too.

So much of the rest needs a vast and expensive orchestra to sound how it's meant to.

Kachaturian wrote some good stuff (not just the well-known two) especially if you like more traditional Krenek-esque pieces and although he was Armenian, his day job counts him as an orc. Another 'big-orchestra' guy, writing at a time when the USSR wanted to show off.

I've a secret liking for some Borodin, (a scientist and a composer too) however some of it is proudly kitsch.

In 1945, Americans hugged the Soviets.

Now what?

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Putin demands Ukraine surrender Donbas, give up NATO ambitions and keep Western troops out of country...

3 and 1/2 years and 1 million dead Ukrainians earlier, Russia wanted only Crimea and no NATO in U...hahahahahahahaha...

Somebody gave Z a really bad advice in 2022...Almost funny...

Let me rephrase: Somebody was a fvcking moron...

This is what he really demands.