Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 24

Your "Coalition of the Willing" is a sorry sight.

It willingly admits its own impotence. Starmer and Macron say they will only put boots on the ground, if there is an American backstop.

What a "castrated" thing to even admit out loud. Personally - I would be ashamed to say such a thing.

It's also absolutely retarded.

Why retarded? Because supposedly this initiative was supposed to display European "strategic autonomy". So autonomous, you need the US Air Force to provide an umbrella over your troops.

As an American, I would be irritated to see such a transparent way of trying to pull my country into this entanglement through some kind of 11th hour, back door attempt. As an American, I would say - "I told you ten thousand times I don't want to be involved, what the hell is this nonsense?"

Not as sorry as the sight of your army using drones to hunt down one-year-old toddlers. Not even as sorry as the sight of Trump rolling out red carpet for Putin and clapping as he approaches.

Sorry for being a bit angry, but when I was a kid, I was taught that America stands up to people like that. In Poland we grew up with this silly idealized vision of America as the land of the brave and home of the free and all that. Now when we witness this sh*tshow, don't blame us that we prefer all out war.


Did they really say that? F*ck them too then.

Whoredom... whoredom everywhere... *sighs*

Coalition of the Willing azholes, always happy to **** on the US and Russia, but never ready to go it alone...always brave from behind America's behind

Memo to the Coalition: FU...you are a burden and liability...Allies...hahahahahahaha...

...to let you, parasites, know that the US and Russia don't need your approvals, help, and opinions. You are just pussyfied noise...

I know what Polaks would do instead of that red carpet...They would have a sign: Never Forget Katyn.

Pussyfied? PUSSYFIED?

WTF?

OK, Novi, let's forget for a moment that we hate each other and let's discuss like civilized people because this is something that genuinely mystifies me, and I would like you to explain it to me: Trump is one of the least masculine, least adult people in public life. Needy, whiny, defensive, pleading, scared of women, terrified of more powerful men. I am at a loss about why his base sees him as manly or strong. And to be clear, by "masculine" I mean the things his own followers would associate positively with manliness: stoicism, courage, manners, self-restraint, even chivalry. He is, in every way, an emotionally unstable woman with a dick. And yet they think of him as tough. I don't get that.

That just doesn't make sense. How do you explain it, Novi?

Weird line in the sand since you're not ashamed of Bucha or Mariupol or filtration camps or kidnapping Ukrainian children or human safaris in Kherson.....

But you do you.....

Yes, they did.

But even that plan, with an American backstop, does not envision Europeans fighting against Russia directly.

Quote:

"The Ukrainian army would serve as the primary line of deterrence with European troops providing reassurance at critical national infrastructure, major ports and cities far away from the front lines. A strong post-war Ukrainian force is integral to the coalition, Western officials said."

All this plan does, is free up a few brigades worth of Ukrainian soldiers for the front.

The only madmen advocating direct involvement are the schizophrenics in the Baltics. Easy for them to do - since they know that France, Britain, and Poland will have to do all of the heavy lifting.

We need a new plan then.


Well, I must have some Baltic blood in me then (hopefully not Samogitian) because when I am faced with the current choice of the West going on all fours before Putin or an all out war, I choose war, even if I have to go personally. I find myself really attached to the old world of values, order and honour. If we are to live in a cavemen world where only force decides the borders and fate of nations, then it's better to die fighting those cavemen.

It's kinda like with an old Roman centurion during the fall of Rome, witnessing the innumerable hordes of barbarians approaching... he and his soldiers still have time to run away, maybe even switch sides and join the barbarians, but they choose to fight and die. Novichok will say it's retarded but I think it's beautiful and poetic. :)

Here's the choice that many stupid people don't realize....

The Ukrainian army is incredibly effective but it won't continue independently.

It will either be integrated into western structures or integrated into russia (which is transparently determined to go to war with Europe).

Do you want the Ukrainian army with the west or against it?

Geez, grow up!
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What did I write some time ago? - Those who fail to embrace the change will become fodder for others.
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Maybe next time. Come on, man, you are full of delusions.
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Are you having a tantrum>?

You are preaching to the converted, Maf.


No.


You are wiser than me Iron, and I genuinely mean it. That's why you should go into politics and lead Poland. I just want to fight.


Poetry, Iron. Poetry.

It is all we have left in this world full of whoredom.

Can you consider for one second that there might be no "continuation war"?

You know... Russia signs a deal, and then just doesn't attack anyone afterwards?

Do you still want to go to war with Russia, over 20% of Ukraine?

Or is it about higher level things, as you say - the choice between being an actor or a subject?

Sure, they will soon, just you wait, all those divisions ready, a 100 million strong army at our back and call. WAKE UP!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HAAAHHAAAA HAAAAAA (coughing fit from laughing so hard) HA HA HA H AHA HHAHA HAH A (laughs for another 20 mintues).

Funniest comment..... ever!

For one second I could, but you know as well as I do that Putin didn't start this war for 20% of Ukraine and he definitely won't stop there. It's like expecting that Hitler would stop after the anschluss of Austria. Retarded.


Maf was saying something about fairylands.


This is another thing. Even if we are laughed at and ridiculed at the moment, it doesn't have to be like that forever. Europe deserves better than this.

Look - the arguments:

1) Public polling shows that now 2/3 of Russians support an immediate end to the war.

2) Our economy is not doing so great at the moment.

3) We may not give a sh*t about what you lot think about us, but we certainly have responsibilities before our allies in China, India, and other places. If Russia goes on some kind of European rampage, Xi will likely just throw in the towel at that point. I am convinced, that the Chinese and others expect this to be a one-off affair. Nobody signed up to be Russia's buddy through a series of wars, with an increasingly widening group of countries.

4) Our demographics are not getting any better, and Ukraine certainly did not help. A war with Europe is a great way to ensure we arrive at 2100 with a population of 30 million people.

you're killing me! Another zinger!!!! russians don't care about what Americans think of them.... hilarious!!!!! You really should get into stand up!


they (like you) support whatever the government tells them to and they (like you) will just accept whatever the government decides...


Karma is indeed a b)tch.

I'm here all week!

@Bobko
Try the roast beef and dont forget to tip your waitress.

All the emotional bvllshit posting is getting increasingly boring. Where is this North Nigeria and who is Putler? The war is in Ukraine, and Ukraine has lost 20% of its land to Russia. That is not the definition of winning when you are at the same time killing off a generation of Ukrainian men. Thats the definition of retarded thinking, no offense to actual retards intended.

Deserve has nothing to do with it. There is no need to panic, I have foreseen those results in general. Poland has a small window od opportunity, there is no room for F up.
Step no 1: get rid of those idiots called politicians for some strange reason.
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You seem to be stuck for some time on the same track, going on and again and again.. People moved from that point a long time ago.

Yes, I know that. I read the theory (but it's better not discussed here in the open).


Damn it, I know. Control me, Iron, when I want to go to war too fast. I wish I had your restraint.

There's one more thing that bothers me... eh... never mind. Let's see how this thing develops.

...and a convict...but he did one thing that overrides all of the above...

HE CLOSED THE FVCKING BORDER!!!!

Nothing is or was a greater threat to the US...Not the USSR, not NAZI Germany, not COVID, not a comet, not global warming, not climate change.

MIGRANTS. That's the most mortal threat to any tribe...White pussies are the biggest morons on mother earth because they're girlie touchy-feely idiots who cant defend their countries, their women, their culture...just full of idiotic slogans ... "they are people, too", "live and let live"... this shlt is endless...


Welcome to the asylum and its Number One patient...Golden Moron.

My apologies to morons.

Where will these people come from? From Mars?

You already have 5 parties in the Sejm, and a good twenty more parties that don't pass the threshold.

Not enough choice for Poles to pick from?

You would think, you could find the next Dmowski among these, no? If you can't find him yet - maybe he does not exist?

I think Torq is right - the only correct course of action is to stop wasting time, and start the Iron Party.

... and among those parties there is one that was never in power, namely Konfederacja (called by some Konfederosja but let's not listen to vicious people).

It is an interesting amalgamate of economic liberals, nationalists (more in a Dmowski than Piłsudski tradition) and traditional Catholics. They are growing in popularity and might be a force not to take lightly in the next elections.


Apart from Konfederacja Poland has deep reserves of patriots in academia, military and Church organisations. They are not directly in politics but this might change when the times comes.


It has my vote already!

For me - Dmowski means: national sovereignty, Catholic culture, and suspicion of outside entanglements.

Of course it also means Polish Chauvinism and autocracy - but let's set that aside for the moment...

None of those first three things bother me. Especially being suspicious of getting involved in other people's wars.

1) National Sovereignty - Poland shall reclaim full independence in its security, economic, and cultural policies. NATO membership has tethered Polish decision-making to outside powers. The Iron Party calls for a dignified withdrawal from NATO, and the establishment of a sovereign defense posture rooted in Poland's own resources, traditions, and geography.

2) Catholic Culture: Poland's heritage - Catholic, Slavic, and sovereign - is the iron foundation of the Republic. The Iron Party rejects both rootless cosmopolitanism and narrow chauvinism. It seeks a cultural policy that affirms Polish traditions, supports families, and invests in education that instills pride in Polish history while fostering scientific and technical excellence.

3) Independent Diplomacy: Poland shall pursue foreign relations guided by its own national interest, not the rivalries of distant powers. The Iron Party envisions a Poland that can trade widely, mediate conflicts wherever possible, and preserve peace without bowing to coercion. It affirms friendship with neighbors, especially those who share our historic will to remain free of imperial dictates. This means Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, and... Serbia!