Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 24

A brilliant comment from express.co.uk:

Expect the atmosphere to be less than cordial when Zelensky, with his willing followers in tow, visits the White House tomorrow.

Trump is tired of being some kind of errand boy for the United Kingdom and other willing parties whose goal is for Zelensky, with their support, to be able to negotiate back what Ukraine has lost in the war.

Trump's primary goal is to end the war, and even he realises that some of Russia's demands must be met, otherwise Putin has no incentive to end the war.

One can probably imagine that an American ultimatum will be presented to Zelensky: either start negotiating with the goal of reaching a settlement, and stop babbling in the press that Ukraine will not give up an inch of its territory, or the United States will reduce or end its support for Ukraine.

Amen.

Nonsense.

A successful entrepreneur, owner of a multi-million business, with a PhD in nuclear physics, and a 19-year-old waitress with no money, no education but a rather nice ass, are definitely not equals. However, if he wants something (whatever that might be) from her, they negotiate. And you would be surprised how much the weaker side is able to negotiate for herself.


What do you mean 'exchange'? Exchange which land for which exactly? I don't get it.

As for the whole Donbass affair, again - for Europe it is a question of whether we will be a subject in or an object of international politics, a question of independence if you will. There was a time when the US had to fight for their independence from European domination; today the situation is reversed. If European politicians played their cards well, Europe could emerge from this mess as an independent superpower. However, looking at Europe's green and other economic policies and mass importing of third worlders, my optimism as to the abilities of current European "elites" is limited. Poland will most likely have to base her safety on her own resources and limited bilateral, regional alliances.


The world has indeed changed and not for the better. It is amazing how the US allowed themselves to be bullied into giving up the world domination by a country with incomparably lower potential in every possible aspect. Oh, well... I suppose political elites do matter after all and democratic choices of populations do matter as well.

If the US isn't going to provide security guarantees to Ukraine then why are they even involved in any meetings ? They could just say no more weapons, no more money and let Ukraine and Europe get on with it.

And it's already clear that the North Nigerians view whatever security guarantees are given as just a minor obstacle- they will then insist on restricting thr Ukrainian armyand air force.

Why bother increasing US troops in Poland ? Totally clear that there is no US security guarantee for Poland either

How have US voters reacted to Golden Cow's humiliation and the fact that he has not negotiated anything favorable ? I'm not talking about low information MAGA types, but normal voters

Exactly.

Ukraine can accept Putin's demands and surrender to Russia on their own; they don't need Trump for that.

Don't get hysterical and dramatic. I hate that in Poland. It has no place in politics.
The presence of the US troops in Poland is a kind of US security guarantee, much better than all lofty talk and paperwork.
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Of course, he talks nonsense. I long concluded that sensible things he happens to utter are simple by accident. I think he fishes on the internet for opinions that seem to him radical or bold and uses them as his own. Sometimes he misses, sometimes he hits the bullseye, rarely comes up with his thoughts, when he does, he sounds like a moron or talks nonsense. Memo to Sad Troll, don't forget to wipe your ass if you are even able to.
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By the way, our genius of foreign policy, Sikorski, has once again proven his brilliance and precise handling of foreign affairs by refusing to talk with Minsk, as Belarus insisted. What a brilliant mind and seasoned politician he is! He has no time for trivial matters; he needs to focus full-time on his Twitter, where he advises the opposition politicians and admonishes them for the crime of criticizing the government he is a part of.

He is right; they are jealous and ungrateful idiots who fail to recognize his majesty and greatness. Honestly, they should just get lost already-these clowns bring us all down.

If you can't keep up. Get lost, deepshit. I hate when idiots do not know their place.
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You don't understand; that is out of the question. The issue is that the guarantees from the US, which we might assume could be given to Ukraine, may be viewed as worthless. They might just be seen as a token security guarantee to sweeten the deal. Ultimately, it's up to Ukraine to decide what they think about it.
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Who are you, Bobko? We seem to agree on a lot of issues.
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It would be very nice to talk to Belarus, but before we start talking to them they could kindly stop the hybrid invasion on Poland that they started four years ago.

Belarus complains that 11 thousand border guards and police are stationed right at their border - well, duh, retards - they are stationed there because you keep sending throngs of third worlders through our border. The cheek! They also complain that Poland is building minefields on the Belarussian-Polish border - well, duh, retards - you give military access to your territory to Russia, so we have to build defensive lines there.

There is only one condition for Poland to talk to Belarus: they need to stop being retards. As long as they insist on remaining mentally retarded, the talks cannot commence.

What will probably happen is that having humiliated Golden Cow, then Putler will ask for something else - new elections in Ukraine, NATO ruled out for Moldova, demilitarized Baltic or something like that. And at that point the US will push back.

That's right! I hate those Muslim-infested European states - look at Minnesota for example...



... f*cking European retards!!!

... erm... no... wait a minute...

You can be the Minister of Foreign Affairs in Poland at the moment; you have all the necessary qualifications.
Hurry up, when we get rid of those incompetent clowns, you will miss your chance.

Putler was running rings around Trup and of course he's crapped out as usual over the sanctions.

If anything, the world is closer to war than when they met.

Instead of worrying about the US and its foreign policy, learn to think logically.
Ukraine is losing the war. The US is neither willing nor able to get directly involved in this conflict. Additionally, there is no other power prepared to send troops there.

What do you propose to do? Bark at the US or the US President? If that makes you feel better? Besides improving your mental well-being, is there anything of value you would like to share?

Look at it this way, Iron: a man breaks into your house and starts raping your wife. You walk towards your cabinet, pull out your shotgun and start loading it with bullets. On seeing this, the rapist says (while still f*cking your wife) - "hey, dude, we seem to be in a difficult situation here - I would like to initialize talks with you" (and he intensifies f*cking).

This man is Belarus, who wants to initalize talks but still continues hybrid invasion of Poland.

So, what do we do: talk to him while he continues raping or do we calmly keep loading the shotgun? Minister Sikorski is for the latter option with which you seem to disagree.

No, there is no way to justify that foolishness. If that's the case, what is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs for? A sanctuary for idle people? After all, with such an attitude, we might as well send a messenger on horseback to Minsk and announce our intentions. What on earth?

Seriously, how can you explain the obvious? Anyone need a little help.

What I meant is that if Belarus wants to initialize talks, they should - at the very least - show some good will and pause (only pause) the hybrid invasion of Poland (i.e. the guy should at least pause raping your wife if he wants to avoid getting shot). If they are not willing to do that, they should not be surprised or appalled at any actions that Poland undertakes to counter their hostile activities.

Today, Z will be given a choice. End the war or not end the war. Trump will deliver the terms he finds acceptable, the EU leaders will squawk, Z will chirp, and eventually a framework will be agreed on for continued talks with Russia in person. If this doesnt happen Trump will tell Z to fvck off, and Starmer and the rest to continue to ruin their countries because he is busy cleaning up the US and doesnt have any more time for their bvllshit. Notice who is coming to who with this amazing summit.

US security for Ukraine comes in the form of a military base somewhere in Western Ukraine most likely so as to not be too close tot the Russian border. This base is largely a reconstruction coordination hub, and not a place where heavey arms are kept at the ready. That base would likely stay in Poland. Security for the EU is in a commitment to stay in NATO as long as everyone reaches their agreed to spending.

What is Russia giving the US? Thats the question I am interested in having answered. Putin has to be giving something.

We could stop that hybrid invasion at any time. I would need six months to do it. Six because five months would be needed to prepare people and procedures.
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It means you don't want to talk.
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Funny Trump cosplaying as a messenger on horseback bringing terms from Putin to Zelensky. How the mighty have fallen. lol!
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What military base?

Putler has indeed given something - a very nice portrait of Golden Cow and a set of commemorative tea towels.

What do you think Putler did with Melanie's letter about the missing kids ?

Putin's dick to obediently suck. And Trump is happy to comply.

Seriously, my expectations for the guy were always extremely low but holy f*ck...





By the way, PolAm, you didn't answer my question from #438...

You're the russia booster here.... you tell us....


Didn't you hear the announcement by Steve "drooling retard" Witkoff?

x.com/sumlenny/status/1957138025508442328

Hmm... that's suspicious. It is as if they knew they had a retarded 3rd grader as president and they had to write down the spelling for him.

But Russia should really make a diplomatic protest about this "P*O". xD

Credit for their help?

x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1957354290475069805

It's probably the same flag...

All of that info should be immediately put into the public domain ani.

Trump said European. Maybe I misread, but non-European foreign troops makes no sense.


Exchange for the end of the war. The point I'm trying to make is from what keeps filtering through the media, Russia's major concern is less about land and more aboutUkraine in NATO.


How to did we get bullied into anything? It was Putin who suggested meeting after Trump's 60-day or whatever ultimatum.

Besides, what's going in now seems to be somewhat ordinary negotiations done through shuttle diplomacy.
Agreed, and that seems to be the Trump position as well. Of course, those decisions have consequences.

That just means Ukraine's capitulation. They don't need Trump to surrender.


But you just said they want land for peace. I am confused.

We don't know what those terms are. However, we can guess. There is no reason for Russia to give up anything.
In short, Trump and the US weren't told by Ukraine to take a hike ( such pitiful terms they can get by themselves ), only in the hope of gaining some other advantage from the US. They are being diplomatic lol!
A case when someone sees himself as a great hero on a white horse while in reality he is a horse.

@Torq

No, from piecing together what Euro and Russian leaders are saying post- Alaska, it seems to me that Russia's main concern is Ukraine joining NATO. I got a feeling (and it's only a feeling), Russia may be willing to vacate some ofvthe land it captured for a guarantee Uke will not be a NATO member.


What is Trump surrendering? Sounds like he's gathering, presenting, and arguing through proposals.

Golden Cow and his idiot team have capitulated on every point so far. Of course it is a surrender

What do you think he is gathering ? Presenting ?

His performance so far is a dream for Putler - his illegal invasion has gone unpunished and he may as well try the next one

Correct me if I'm wrong, Anti, but don't the United States have a clear legal and policy stance on this?

In July 2018, the U.S. government issued the Crimea Declaration, which explicitly states that the U.S. will never recognize Russia's claims of sovereignty over Crimea. It is formal U.S. policy, binding on the government, that the annexation of Crimea is considered illegal and will not be acknowledged.

And this is only about Crimea! We are not even talking about the eastern Ukrainian lands that Russia occupies at the moment.

Or are you saying borders can be changed by force and no law, American or any other, can prevent it?

You see - that's what Putin and his mafia bullied you into... :(