Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 24

Narcissists feed off of reactions.... if people gave them the attention they deserve (none) then they would be gone soon enough.

But some posters insist on feeding them.

If you phrase the situation in these terms, my only advice is - good luck.

We are not willing to give a single village to the Ukrainians, and will lay down tens of thousands of men to deny it (which represents a magnitude of order more human beings than ever lived in the city).

If you want Kaliningrad - then you must be prepared to send your son, your nephew, and eventually yourself.

On these terms - you may be able to fight us. God knows - Poland can fight.

If you are not able to do this... like some other neighboring countries... then sooner or later you should prepare for a new format of relations with the Russian Federation.

Cause you're murdering thieves.... mafia guys think what they steal is theirs too.

I'm just repeating what you're saying but without the euphemisms....

Wouldn't that be a sign of sincerity from Russia, marking the beginning of a new era in Polish-Russian cooperation

Go back in time enough and you can say that about any country. Is Donald Trump an Apache or a Sioux by any chance? No? Exactly.


Especially that Königsberg/Królewiec was never really a part of Русский мир, so it's not like Russia would be handing over some ancestral lands to us. For Poland, on the other hand, there is a historic connection to the Holy First Rzeczpospolita and our (un)faithful Prussian vassals; also it would make our borders safer in case of another Russian-Polish war.

But Iron - there is always something for something, we would have to give something to Russia too. Azoy geit dos lebn - alts kost epes, as ancient Poles of Mosaic confession used to say. Emes iz umzist nor der toyt, and all that.

So what would we give Russia in return?

But most other countries have grown out of it.... russia is still stuck there.


russia's hungry for new residents so Poland could send undocumented migrants there....

Dude, I wouldn't send you to any negotiations. (facepalm)
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A country that negotiates is not a superpower.

The US didn't negotiate with the Japs. Just fried 200,000 of them in two installments.

Two equals negotiate.

Not only in positions, Finland had no so much national complexes and there was no such destructive "platforms" like polish "prometeus" (linked to western special services very tightly, especially British).

From what European leaders and some of the Russian envoys are saying, a possible peace is going to hinge on whether or not Ukraine will be given the potential for NATO membership more than anything else.

There may be a willingness to exchange land, but the ukraine in NATO thing seems to be the biggest obstacle for Russia.

The European argument that Russia can't be given veto power over NATO membership is solid and reasonable, but is it worth it? And, will America go along with it-I'm sure there's spirited debate going on in the Oval Office about whether it's worth it or not.

Tomorrow is going to be a very big deal. It might even be the touchspark of the reconfiguring of the world order.

Zelensky calls for more sanctions on Russia
The Ukrainian leader has claimed there should be tougher penalties if no peace talks happen

More sanctions??? WTF!!! Does it mean that some sanctions have not been imposed as yet?

Hey, Z, are you on drugs or just saying this shlt because it sounds good...

Cut the crap, Ivan. The crux of the matter is you **** in your napies on the thought that Poland might regain its power because it would threaten the position you usurp.
Finland, on the other hand, can send you a nasty message on Nokia.

It's bigger than the Soviet nukes in Cuba or Mexico in the Warsaw Pact.

Russia is entitled to the same reaction...

Finland potentially block access to Saint Petersburg by Baltic Sea. While it was neutral - it was one case and there was little strategic interests. New - totally different. So, finns now need to be quite careful and avoid "too fast moves"...

Poland is like Puerto Rico - on the American leash...

The US remembers Poles' great wisdom in August 1944...

There is no merit in having NATO membership in the current climate. If, instead, Ukraine were to get the US guarantees, that would be an equivalent. The issue of the US guarantees and its ability to fulfill promises is questioned.
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Talking about the 1830s? If there were no ground made ready for upheaval by the Russians, all their influence would come to nothing.
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Why don't you crawl back to where you came from and stop your trolling, moron?, There is trolling, and there are boring morons.

About 1920-2020 (roughly)...

Still, it is not a major issue.
The point is, they pissed you off with their NATO move.

Trolling???

Your idiotic posts are beyond trolling...Who the fvck do you azzhole think is the US?..a night guard to make sure you Euro parasites can sleep well?

Europe can guarantee whatever the fvck it wants. If Russia wants to take the whole damn Ukraine back, nobody here gives a shlt. Most don't know or care where that shlthole is on the map.

Poland included. Got a problem with Russia? Cool... We don't, so FU and FO.

BTW, how many Americans should we send to your Muslim-infested Europe to die if Russia gets pizzed off...100,000, 250,000?

I wouldn't send one if you all were going to die tomorrow...

Trump has said publicly that Putin accepts that if there were an agreement, foreign troops would have to be present within Ukraine to ensure peace was maintained. Those would be European troops, not American. Trump said America may contribute troops at a later time.

Personally, I don't know why we would put our troops in Ukraine. I could see increasing troop presence in Poland, but not Ukraine.

I would put US troops where the host will pay $250,000 each a year.

Why the f*ck would the United States guarantee Ukraine's security?

Maybe I don't know much about the political workings of America, but it's my feeling that in the current climate the chance of an American guarantee of Ukraine is about as big as that of an African-American boy born in the inner city, to become CEO of Apple Inc.

That is - bordering on zero.

Pot - meet kettle.

Memo to Ukraine: Want your security guaranteed? Fine. 1 trillion bucks a year. Up front...

Memo to Russia: Half is yours.

650,000 fighting-age men have fled Ukraine - Telegraph
The authorities in Kiev have struggled to deal with widespread draft evasion throughout the conflict with Russia

I feel like shlt about that Z-P=0...My apologies to you, Mr. Z and a correction:

Z >>>>> P ..

Also, to those Ukrainian men who are still alive:

Dying for "freedom and democracy" is the most noble thing any human being can do...even if later they will call you a useful idiot.

If I understand correctly, there was exclusion, foreign but not NATO troops. So, probably infested EU can sleep calmly... NATO countries is disqualified.

Does "foreign but not NATO" exclude Western Euros or are we talking about Nigerians?

IMO, Russia should take over the whole Ukraine...I can't imagine U being any more secure.

That's a very good question, and it seems to be a major point of contention between the US and Europe/Ukraine.


Well, that Afro- Am has the opportunity to become CEO of Apple, it's question of the effect of his environment. Whereas, an American guarantee is a question of strategic interest.

It seems Trump wants to have closer ties with Russia. He wants to go back to the age-old strategy of keeping Russia closer to us than they are to China.

Which is another point of difference between us and Europe. We see China as much more an adversary to us than Russia, Europe sees Russia as its main adversary (or so it seems).

Trump said European. Maybe I misread, but non-European foreign troops makes no sense.

We have none. No upside. Only a risk of war with Russia.

I guess we never learn...Always meddling...

If Texas broke away and years later the US army went to Texas to unify it with the remaining 49, would Russia or any other country give a damn?

Would Russia spend 200B to arm Texans and watch thousands of them die?

This country is insane.

Quoting from RT.com:

President Donald Trump has issued an extraordinary rebuke of Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky, telling him he can 'end the war with Russia.'

Trump should give Zelensky an order to end the war with Russia.

Trump categorically ruled out Zelensky's hope to see Ukraine join NATO and indicated he has no desire to see Crimea returned to Ukrainian rule.

Finelly, a healthy dose of sanity...

His shock position comes just hours ahead of his scheduled meeting with Zelensky in Washington on Monday - the first since their famous bust-up in February.

As I said, Monday meeting with Z and the Seven Dwarfs should last 3 minutes...Read this and GTFO...