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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 24


Torq  19 | 1927
16 Aug 2025   #331
Well, one thing is certain--Europe has to increase efforts aimed at severing all ties with the USA. All the subsidizing of American economy with multi-billion arms purchases from the US and giving up the development of strong European nuclear forces was based on the premise that America would not abandon Europe in times of need--this is now increasingly doubtful (to put it mildly), so Europe needs to first quietly prepare for the severing of relations and then openly renounce all ties with America who has ceased to be a reliable ally.

The first logical step would be to cancel all arms deals with American companies and arm ourselves to the teeth without pumping billions upon billions into the American economy; we have to switch European economies to war modes and bring back mass conscription. When the EU is free from the necessity of sucking American dicks, we will be able to choose our allies more carefully or act as an independent united power.

As for Ukraine... well, they wanted to achieve victory at the lowest possible cost but they miscalculated: they should have conducted proper offensive long time ago when they still had the chance. They wanted to spare their soldiers but they ended up losing even more of them and are now faced with even more painful losses. That's what happens when you don't conduct proper mobilization: there were 60 thousand Ukrainians on the recent Max Korzh concert in Warsaw - that's two full infantry divisions having fun listening to rap music instead of defending their country (and that's just one silly concert in Poland!). So, yes: exporting millions upon millions of conscription age males to most EU countries in times of war was beyond retarded (and it wasn't the only mistake that Ukraine made).

Lesson for Europe: don't count on anyone else apart from yourself.

Lesson for America: you are absolutely free to be cold mercantile c*nts but the cost in the end will be much higher than you realize.

Lesson for Ukraine: there is no victory over a much stronger enemy without treating the war seriously (no proper mobilization - really?)

Lesson for Poland: the lesson for Poland was given in 1939, when we had enemies close to our borders and "friends" far away; a country can make such a disastrous mistake only once in their history, right? ... right?
mafketis  43 | 11756
16 Aug 2025   #332
On a positive note both sides have said another meeting will happen

On a negative note, it seems like russia did the bare minimum possible to play for more time and obedient poochie Trump wagged gave them more time....

I was a huge Trump fan for the few days he seemed to be getting tough but he's back to appeasing and hoping for a "reset"
Torq  19 | 1927
16 Aug 2025   #333
On a negative note

On another negative note: ICC arrest warrants seem to be little more than a rather expensive toilet paper these days.
Torq  19 | 1927
16 Aug 2025   #334
On a negative note

On a yet another negative note: apparently the president of the United States of America - the world's only superpower - is willing to perform a professional rimming on the abovementioned criminal's anus.

Seriously guys, wouldn't an all-out nuclear war and the destruction of Planet Earth be better (and I mean waaaaaay better) than watching this sh*tshow?
Torq  19 | 1927
16 Aug 2025   #335
wouldn't an all-out nuclear war and the destruction of Planet Earth be better than watching this sh*tshow?

That's why it is so absolutely vital that Poland gets her own nuclear weapons. We are the Guardians of Decency.

So that when there are too many war criminals, paedos and other scumbags involved in deciding the fate of the world, we simply turn off the lights.

For decency's sake.
cms neuf  1 | 2237
16 Aug 2025   #336
Absolutely- we should have started already with the process
Feniks  1 | 1004
16 Aug 2025   #337
obedient poochie Trump wagged gave them more time....

That's about the size of it. Whatever happened to Trump not being happy unless Putin agreed to a ceasefire? He's running rings around him.

What feeds his ego

Call me cynical but it's the thought of a Nobel Peace Prize.

Putin seemed confident in his cause.

Because he had no intention of agreeing to a ceasefire.

No idea what the point of this meeting was

Me neither.
Torq  19 | 1927
16 Aug 2025   #338
Absolutely- we should have started already with the process

Thank you, Cms. We might have had our differences in the past but you have a Polish soul.

it's the thought of a Nobel Peace Prize.

He thinks Nobel Prize will make people forget about Epstein's files. He needs to think again.

Me neither.

The point of the meeting, children, was to put pressure on Zelensky to agree to territorial concessions.
PolAmKrakow  3 | 999
16 Aug 2025   #339
@Torq
LMFAO cancel all arms deals with US companies? WTF are you going to fight with? Rocks? Europe has no air defense without US equipment, and nothing is more effective than the Patriot systems. This is about as likely as Polish built cars in Silesia that will revolutionize the industry and give unemployed coal miners new opportunities. Thats just fvcking hilarious.

@mafketis
And Trump is getting something from Russia in the end for the US, and that is the only thing he is focusing on, the USA. Z is never going to cede territory, and if he doesnt his own people will eventually take him out. He is hanging on by a thread in Ukraine. Ukraine is running out of men to send to die.

Putin and Trump did a good job yesterday. They are putting their countries interests first. Thats their job. Unlike the UK who puts everyone but their own citizens first, Germany who has fvcked itself, and France who is happy to watch Marseille go from a major tourism destination to a no go zone if you are white. The war will end on terms the US and Russia put together, Ukraine and Europe will be forced to accept, or Ukraine will be completely left to Europe to fund, and the US will leave NATO. Thats the negotiation strategy.
Torq  19 | 1927
16 Aug 2025   #340
LMFAO cancel all arms deals with US companies?

Do not LYFAO so much, PolAm, because it's already happening: Portugal is giving up on their F-35 deal, Switzerland and Denmark are considering the same, and India has decided to pause efforts to buy American combat vehicles. And it's only the beginning - many European countries are now turning to EU-made weapons and reducing U.S. procurement, €150 billion defense fund prioritizing EU manufacturers has been launched and European defense industry is expanding.

The war will end on terms the US and Russia put together

... поживём - увидим, as ancient Romans used to say.

Ukraine and Europe will be forced to accept

LMFAO

Trump can keep on furiously rimming Putin but Europe can only watch in disgust.

the US will leave NATO

... and don't let the door hit you on your way out.
Feniks  1 | 1004
16 Aug 2025   #341
was to put pressure on Zelensky to agree to territorial concessions.

Given that Zelensky had already firmly rejected Ukraine ceding any territory prior to the meeting it seems unlikely that he would back down.

Still wondering what the 'very severe consequences' for Putin will be that Trump threatened last week if there was no ceasefire after the Alaska meeting......TACO.
Torq  19 | 1927
16 Aug 2025   #342
it seems unlikely that he would back down

Fingers crossed and all that, but he should finally start treating this war seriously and conduct a proper mobilization to begin with. We recently had two full Ukrainian infantry divisions of young men, mostly in their 20s, having fun in the Max Korzh's concert in Warsaw.

what the 'very severe consequences' for Putin will be that Trump threatened last week if there was no ceasefire after the Alaska meeting

Well, there is no cease fire, so we will soon see what terrible consequences Trump was talking about. I wouldn't hold my breath though.
mafketis  43 | 11756
16 Aug 2025   #343
Trump is getting something from Russia in the end for the US

And what might that be?

war will end on terms the US and Russia put together,

Да, товарищ!

the US will leave NATO.

I've said it before, if the US abandons Ukraine it will abandon Poland.

Poland needs to plan accordingly, depend on the US and the same thing will happen to it as happened to Ukraine.
Bobko  28 | 2837
16 Aug 2025   #344
Still wondering what the 'very severe consequences' for Putin will be that Trump threatened last week if there was no ceasefire

Trump said that his meeting with Putin was a "10 out of 10", and that he has decided to withhold from applying further sanctions on Russia.
Torq  19 | 1927
16 Aug 2025   #345
And what might that be?

The privilege of licking Putin's arse.

American soldiers on their knees, rolling out red carpet in front of the war criminal's plane, and Trump clapping his hands as Putin approaches...

on your knees, US soldiers!

... that's furious rimming at the very beginning, and it only continued later.

And the saddest part is, Trump didn't really have to do it - he is still the president of the most powerful democratic country on Earth... and yet he decided to go on all fours. Sad.

Poland needs to plan accordingly, depend on the US and the same thing will happen to it as happened to Ukraine.

Oh, we know that. It's been evident for quite a while now.

he has decided to withhold from applying further sanctions on Russia

See, PolAm? :)
cms neuf  1 | 2237
16 Aug 2025   #346
Golden Cow plus Rubio and all the rest of them are now backpedaling and trying to get Europe to buy more overpriced American weapons

They told the Europeans to look after themselves but were then surprised when their orders fell.

Of course there is no reason why European defence companies couldn't develop their own air protection systems - we have enough engineers and infrastructure and plenty of capital.

Sooner we start on this the better. Golden Cow just rolled out the red carpet for a rapist murderer. The US will abandon Poland just like they want to abandon Ukraine
Torq  19 | 1927
16 Aug 2025   #347
Sooner we start on this the better.

Hear, hear.

The US will abandon Poland just like they want to abandon Ukraine

Of course. Another Yalta is coming.


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Torq  19 | 1927
16 Aug 2025   #348
what the 'very severe consequences' for Putin will be that Trump threatened last week if there was no ceasefire after the Alaska meeting

Trump: If there is no ceasefire after the meeting, there will be horrible consequences! RAAAWRR!!! My wrath will be horrible RAAWRR!!!

*there is no ceasefire after the meeting*

Trump: It was a brilliant meeting - 10 out of 10. Amazing meeting. Lovely meeting. I withhold from applying further sanctions on Russia.

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How can people in America, even Trump's voters, fail to see that the guy's completely and utterly retarded?
mafketis  43 | 11756
16 Aug 2025   #349
*there is no ceasefire after the meeting*

TACO TACO man, Trump always is the TACO man....
Ironside  53 | 13672
16 Aug 2025   #350
Lesson for Poland:

Lesson for Poland? Unfortunately, Poland hasn't learned its lessons yet and seems somewhat reluctant to do so(retarded?). These lessons should have been recognized and appropriate measures implemented long ago. I'm afraid that even those who are aware of the situation struggle to get through to the delusional mindset of Polish politicians. They need to be replaced, as I have been saying repeatedly for years.
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we should have started already with the process
@ cms neuf

Aren't you the one supporting Tusk and his crew of clowans? Why are you being hypocritical for now?
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Oh, we know that. It's been evident for quite a while now.

Who knows? It seems to me that quite a few politicians didn't get the memo.
Tusk and his crew (yes, including PSL) think that Brussels will help instead; they are even more retarded.
Ironside  53 | 13672
16 Aug 2025   #351
the US

They are resorting to their old tricks. This time, the world has changed; they won't be able to make a comeback.

Also, which Europe are you referring to? Western and Southern Europe have different interests compared to our part of the world. Instead of looking in that direction, focus on where the interests align.
Torq  19 | 1927
16 Aug 2025   #352
They need to be replaced, as I have been saying repeatedly for years.

May the next elections come sooner than in two years. *fingers crossed*

Tusk and his crew (yes, including PSL) think that Brussels will help instead

... and Nawrocki is madly in love with Trump. Difficult to say who's more retarded. :-/

Instead of looking in that direction, focus on where the interests align.

So we're talking Scandinavia, Turkey and the frontline (Baltics, Romania, Bulgaria). Hmm... looks like you were right all along.
Torq  19 | 1927
16 Aug 2025   #353
European statement...

consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2025/08/16/statement-by-president-macron-prime-minister-meloni-chancellor-merz-prime-minister-starmer-president-stubb-prime-minister-tusk-president-costa-president-von-der-leyen/
Ironside  53 | 13672
16 Aug 2025   #354
Difficult to say who's more retarded. :-/

It is clear who is more retarded, lol.
Even if the President is delusional, which is difficult to say, good relations are a product of diplomacy, not throwing a tantrum. There is no doubt that PiS was and is supportive of the U.S. At least they are betting on a power that could actually help if there were the political will to assist Poland. Meanwhile, Brussels won't be able to help at all.
So who is more retarded?
Torq  19 | 1927
16 Aug 2025   #355
Meanwhile, Brussels won't be able to help at all.

I have a feeling that they count more on Germany, France, and the UK than on Brussels itself, but still - not a very reasonable approach.

Luckily, at least in one point there is a political consensus--beefing up our armed forces. Of course, getting our own nuclear weapons is an indispensable component for that but such information will not be made public until we actually have the nukes. There are certain signs and clues that can give us limited optimism but it is not the right time to talk about them.

Meanwhile, the European stance on the war is more commonsensical than the American rimming of Putin's anus. Let's see how things develop.
Ironside  53 | 13672
16 Aug 2025   #356
I have a feeling that they count more on Germany, France, and the UK

Do they recognize their military potential? In the current circumstances, they are all relying on the Polish army. Their forces are not capable of providing substantial help; they could offer some assistance, but that is all. I am afraid any support apart from the U.S. would be insufficient. Provided that they are willing to help.
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is a political consensus--beefing up our armed forces.

That is all big talk; they are talking from their anuses without really doing much, but throwing money at the problem. That not enough.We are currently spending about the same amount on the military as Saudi Arabia and Israel. If we look at the potential and capabilities of Saudi Arabia's military, it's clear that nobody takes them seriously. The main issue isn't the money; it's the organization.
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Meanwhile, the European stance on the war is more commonsensical

You mean those European leaders making faces at Putin? They are hiding behind NATO and Poland and the awareness that they are not really in danger of the imminent invasion.
PolAmKrakow  3 | 999
16 Aug 2025   #357
@Torq
Say it isnt so. Oh my. helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/27615-us-troops-expand-presence-across-finland-in-new-phase-of-defence-cooperation.html Real cutbacks there. presstv.ir/Detail/2025/08/15/753112/US-secures--1-5B-arms-sales-Ukraine-ahead-Alaska-meeting and there. And here npr.org/2025/08/05/g-s1-81084/europe-us-weapons-ukraine-russia-war

Oh and about those threats on the F35's they wont back out, its just a threat. Europe is fvcked without the US military. It always has been. But lets all forget the history in Europe and pretend everyone is united.
Ironside  53 | 13672
16 Aug 2025   #358
Europe is fvcked without the US military.

Son,, what delusional nonsense are you spewing? The US military means the US armed forces, not expensive junk produced by the US factories, we can get most of what you have to offer cheaper and easier to maintain elsewhere.
Torq  19 | 1927
16 Aug 2025   #359
they could offer some assistance

France could help with Polish nuclear forces, and that would already be enough.

it's the organization

True. All the billions won't help much if we don't bring back mass conscription and build Swiss-style territorial defense with armed society. The only party that could realistically pull this off is Konfederacja. I know, I know... you always said that. I should have listened to you.

Europe is fvcked without the US military.

The point, that you are obviously missing PolAm, is that US military is no loger a reliable ally and under Trump America is more than willing to sell at least parts of Europe to Putin. For Europe this war is vital - it is about us being either a subject in or an object of international politics. Is Russia currently strong enough to invade and defeat European NATO? No, she's not. That's why we have to take this opportunity to detach ourselves from increasingly unreliable and unpredictable Americans and create a more united and strong Europe (with additional closer regional alliances, like Iron suggests).

As I said before, it is all good and well to be a cold cynical mercantile c*nt, but only up to a certain point. America is dangerously approaching this point (some even say it has been crossed).
Ironside  53 | 13672
16 Aug 2025   #360
France could help with Polish nuclear forces

Bien sur, LOL bahahaha! You are je ne sais quoi. I admire your naivety. In a good way.
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you always said that. I

I think I should do more than just talk. See you at the upcoming election.
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(with additional closer regional alliances, like Iron suggests).

There is also an option to have a bilateral alliance with the US aside from the NATO pact that smells somewhat musty.


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