Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 23

@cms neuf
Negotiations are taking place today in Turkey. You dont need a cease fire to negotiate.

...to buy time for Z?

I hope Russia will not fall for another lie again...

Memo to Putin:

Whatever they say, don't trust these motherfvckers.

Velund hasn't replied, because went asleep, and then was briefly out for a local business trip and had no time to read BS here.

No reasons to worry, for now...

Why is no one discussing Zelensky's suicidal law?

Protests in 5 large cities last night.

Warnings from G7 ambassadors and EU Commissioner.

Dude has dismantled ten years of Ukrainian efforts at combating corruption - in ten hours.

Because this would upset Russia haters...Being told that they believed a false God is too much for the fanatics...


Hey, Lyzko, now you know who is a dictator...No, it's not Putin or Trump...

Bobko, your petition to leave PF is denied.

I'm not going anywhere. Just been sleeping at a plant for the past two weeks, with only two days at home.

You working in the Tesla gigafactory?

Sadly no - a dairy plant.

Lots of tanks. Lots of plate heat exchangers, pumps, separators, homogenizers, filling machines, packing conveyors, etc - but no robots.

Some pieces of equipment are nearing the century mark in age - and were manufactured by Westfalia in occupied West Germany.

That just shows how you are not qualified to comment on the Russians invasion of Ukraine.

Ukraine is close to retaking Crimea, despite how difficult that may be.

So Bobko is not qualified to comment on the Russian invasion of Usraina ... let me think...oh. yeah ... I got it...because the invading army is...Usrainian!!! ...and Russians are in Russia trying to liberate Russia!!!

That damn Kosovo referendum...fvck...how to make them forget it...

Thats what dictators do. No elections. Then dismantle everything that could allow for a future government to find what was done corruptly during the war. European leaders are scratching their heads now. Thousands take to the streets of Ukraine ignoring the fact that they could be bombed by Russia.

See that's the difference between russia and Ukraine.. Ukrainians are not afraid to stand up to their governments while russians are sitting on their zhopas as the russian government tightens censorship regarding the war....

I don't pretend to know enough about internal Ukrainian politics to say much intelligent (unlike those who apparently can read Ukrainian well enough to follow the news there).

But, following pro-Ukraine sources on twitter it's clear that

existing anti-corruption mechanism have been compromised by russia

protests are about law and process and are not calling for Ukrainian surrender to russia

125 days now since the NN refuse to sign Golden Cow's ceasefire

Saw today that 40 percent of their ammo is now supplied by Commie North Korean scum.

And they are still 6km from Pokrovsk despite some obvious lies that they had entered the city (which they don't care about anyway)

ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/4018161-in-frontline-pokrovsk-1380-residents-still-remain.html

daxe.substack.com/p/the-last-leopard-2-tanks-in-pokrovsk

All lies from Ukraine sources.

@mafketis
Its also clear that all of these people would show up to vote no matter what if Z held elections. But he wont because he would lose. Being brave to protest is obvious proof they would use that same bravery to elect Z again, or someone new.

Who's going to guarantee that russia won't target polling centers? Cause... if you don't realize they would then you haven't been paying attention.


Who would win? A pro-russian candidate? You wish, russiaboy

@mafketis
Easy solution is UN observers to help manage voting. All you ever do is look for problems and never the simple solutions. Z would lose to a ham sandwich at this point his approval numbers are so low.

Sorry, but Ukrainian patriots are too busy right now killing Russian invaders to focus on anything else.

But you know, it doesn't have to be like this. Let's Russonigers fu*ck off from Ukraine and maybe some politician will get rid of Zelensky. After all most Ukrainian presidential elections produced new leaders. Unlike the Russian elections which, with the notable exception of Yeltsin, always produced more Monke.

If the UN agrees to that and the Ukrainian constitution is amended.... we'll see. So start talking to the UN...

And in the meantime russia passes the most draconian anti-free-speech laws outside of NKorea and not a peep from the rotten cowards known as 'the russian people'...

x.com/DevanaUkraine/status/1948058755918361025

Trump = Ukraine and is not a neutral party. Russia would be stupid to sign any ceasefire. They were ready in 2022 but the British Blow Job said: Don't.


BS. Yoiu wouldn't die to save a drowning child but so full of glee watching "Ukrainian patriots" dying for Z-P=0, which means nothing...

Why would they give a shlt of the top guy is Z or P? What exactly would change in their lives?

Did you notice that there have been no attacks on Kiev during the past two days of protests?

Kiev's most reliable surface to air defense, are protests against the government of Vladimir Zelensky - that's the joke going around.

If they continue going out every night at 8 PM, like they plan, then that would be a further night without bombings.

Russians are gleefully observing the happenings in Ukraine. Why on Earth would we intervene?

The Western press is also gearing up against Zelensky. The WSJ published an article about Zelensky's worrying slide into authoritarian. The FT today published a long and nasty profile on his deputy Yermak.

Sort of feels as though the West is getting ready to flush him down the toilet.

... and replace him with some hardcore neo-banderist. Oh, joy.

More likely they will abandon him to his fate, but slowly, with the foot always on the brakes (as the EU and America are prone to do). The worst outcome, for the Ukrainian infantryman... The result is known, but the agony has more time to play out.

Zelensky is a clever entertainer. He won the hearts and minds of the Western public, and then used that public to pressure their Western governments into action.

If you recall, Germany, France, and America were ready to let Ukraine collapse. Zelensky "shamed" their establishment into helping Ukraine, but they were always reluctant passengers. When every doorstep featured a Ukrainian flag, and the papers were full of "I don't need a ride - I need ammunition" - it was impossible for them to resist.

Thanks to informational fatigue, other developing crises (Gaza, Syria, Iran, and now Cambodia), and some serious PR missteps by Zelensky and Yermak - the ground is finally shifting.

Western audiences still view him as some kind of Churchill or De Gaulle, but internally he is now nearly universally hated. Thanks to a botched mobilization, thanks to closed borders, thanks to censorship, thanks to his duplicity when dealing with foreign audiences and finally for the deep corruption of his entourage. People do not support elections (important to recognize), but he is also deeply, deeply unpopular.

This is not a popular topic to bring up in the West, still. If you do, people will reflexively accuse you of being a Russian agent or Vatnik (though they had never opened a Ukranian newspaper in their life). But the realization is slowly dawning upon them.

He has already lost support within the country, but holds on because he is seen as indispensable in marshaling Western resources and shaming their leaders into action. If this "magic touch" finally rubs off - there will be no real need for Zelensky any longer.

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My own "Russian" view is that he should make as big a mess as he can, because this serves our interests. Objectively - however - it is clear he is making many unforced errors which will redound on his country in ways that he does not seem to be able to foresee.

Quite.

I wouldn't want to be in the Russian infantryman's shoes either. Especially when your Chinese overlords finally decide to invade Taiwan. They will then order you to attack European NATO flank as a distraction. If your infantrymen are bleeding out against Ukrainians, imagine how they will bleed out against Finns and Poles (professional armies + fresh reserves, reinforced with Americans and other NATO troops) defending their homes and families.

How this is all profitable and wise for Russia still manages to escape me.

Is it? Because it just highlights the difference between brave, independent and freedom-loving Ukrainians vs servile, pathetic russians

x.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1948101156669956608

Since people are so quick to protest a law they don't like, it's reasonable to expect them to also protest the lack of presidential elections.

I don't doubt that Zelenskyy will be kicked to the curb after the war but not because Ukrainians want to be part of russia, because they'll never make the mistake again of electing a president who promises better relations with russia....

As a loyal russian, this law makes you haapy, because if it doesn't.... you're a criminal.

x.com/DevanaUkraine/status/1948058755918361025

You are either a comedian or an idiot...

The most corrupt pile of shlt has "independent and freedom-loving Ukrainians"...

Would you die for their kind of "freedom"? You don't even know what "freedom" is...the Ukrainian- style...

Freedom to do what? Leave the country the way Russians do now?

Fat chance, lol!

If it was North Korea that told us to do something - we should probably listen. Because they sent us 11,000 of their men to liberate the Kursk region. They are now also sending a further 35-45,000 men - no one knows for what. That's an ally that sticks with you through thick and thin, and who deserves loyalty.

How many men has China sent us? Zero.

Do they sell drones to Ukraine? Yes.

Do they forbid their state banks from working with Russian banks for fear of American sanctions? Yes.

Do they sell us any weapons at all, beyond ATVs and motorcycles? No.

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Why should Russians go and die for Chinese? They seem to be enjoying buying our discounted oil and coal, and selling us their cars and electronics. But they don't bleed for us... despite us bleeding for their inept country on several occasions.

Modern China could not exist without Russia. We educated their leadership. Built their heavy industry. We armed them.

Their flag, their national anthem, their military uniforms, and their entire system of education is one big rip off of Russia. They owe us, not we them.

If they want to attack Taiwan, we will help by increasing purchases of Huawei telephones and ordering more from Alibaba. Let's see how they like that.

Ha ha - that's the spirit! :)

Unfortunately, our strategists seem to think that the scenario that I outlined is a rather likely one. My only hope is that our strategists are sh*tty at predicting future.

Emotionally fully understandable
Rationally however?

Where do you go to buy a car? Japan
Where do you go to buy fish? Norway
Where do you go to buy Steel? Sweden
Where do you go to visit a known Monarchy? U.K
Where do you go to buy weapons? U.S.A
Where do you go to recruit a lot of soldiers to carry out a attack on somebody? Russia

I'm not sure that Russia has ever provided anyone with meaningful amounts of mercenaries.

The champions, at least in European history, were the Swiss Confederacy and various German and Italian principalities.

In the modern world, mercenaries come from alternative places. The top three, for a while, were South Africans (veterans of actions against Angola), Rhodesians (Zimbabweans), and Colombians (because of their long war against FARC).

Now it's probably Sudanese (one of the longest running wars in the world, printing tons of veterans), again Colombians, and Afghans (American trained and hunted by the Taliban).

Honorable mention goes out to Nepalis.

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If China needed troops, and fast, probably its three first stops would be

1) North Korea
2) Cambodia
3) Laos

All three are old buddies and essentially vassals. Plenty of military experience. Poor. Run by ideologically sympathetic groups of people.

Where do you go to annoy Russia with NATO?

Russia should learn patience from the US. If Mexico signed a defense treaty with China, the US would welcome this development.