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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 23


Bobko  28 | 2589
2 Jul 2025   #301
@Miloslaw

I think you don't read posts before you reply to them.
Velund  1 | 508
2 Jul 2025   #302
I think you don't read posts before you reply to them.

There is something in the air or in the water in UK, people start to became to a self-propelling POTUS Biden in the last weeks of their cadence. ;)
OP Miloslaw  25 | 5483
2 Jul 2025   #303
I think you don't read posts before you reply to them.

I did!

There is something in the air or in the water in UK

Are you just another insane Russian?
Velund  1 | 508
2 Jul 2025   #304
Word "similar" in a message above was lost... Sorry, here is 1 am and it was quite "loaded" day.

There is funny things started to be revealed about "victims of FSB" from azerbaijan. It turned out that for years this clan was worked with azerbaijan' special services and in fact was local "kidnapping and murder agents" under control from Baku, mostly oriented to their compatriots, that was in opposition to a current regime.
OP Miloslaw  25 | 5483
2 Jul 2025   #305
It turned out that for years this clan was worked with azerbaijan' special services and in fact was local "kidnapping and murder agents"

And this is a good thing in Russian eyes?
Velund  1 | 508
2 Jul 2025   #306
And this is a good thing in Russian eyes?

Definitely, there is something harmful to brain in water or in air in UK.

Second funny thing is that probably "sharp responce" to arrests in Ekaterinburg, that lead to death of two native azeri with Russian passports, was started without even consultation with political leaders of Azerbaijan. ;)
Novichok  6 | 9598
3 Jul 2025   #307
I think you don't read posts before you reply to them.

I noticed the same thing...

If they read, they don't detect sarcasm or a joke...very irritating since both require some effort to be funny..

Definitely, there is something harmful to brain in water or in air in UK.

...brain-devouring ameba...or jealousy...From an empire down a little more than Belgium in less than a century.

Hey, Milo, I forgot to ask who gave you the right to own Hong Kong - a million miles from London?

I am asking since you seem to have a problem with Crimea being part of the Russian Federation...right next door and 80% Russian...

People in Crimea seem to be OK with it ...Just look at them...Do you see any fear or hate? Let me know if you do...


Novichok  6 | 9598
3 Jul 2025   #308
A special gift from the US to Russia and PF Russians...



It doesn't get any better...
Novichok  6 | 9598
3 Jul 2025   #309
when Russia attacks Europe proper.

You have enough men, money, and nukes to resist and defeat Russia...BTW, why haven't you done it so far with your vast army of 50,000. while Russia is on its last legs, out of ammo...you know the rest...

but if America thinks Ukraine losing this war is OK,

Yes, it is OK. So far we dumped billions into that rat hole and not ROI.

So we can't wait for Russia to win this war. Then we would lift all those stupid sanctions and start selling McBurgers in Moscow again. Can't beat them, make them fat and sick...

Also, so that I can visit Russia and, possibly, see Velund.
johnny reb  49 | 8096
3 Jul 2025   #310
Iran will put mines in the Straits and cut off 20% of the worlds oil supply.
Russia will start selling oil like never before to compensate making their economy boom.
The U.S. has quit supplying weapons to Ukraine.
This war should be over very soon.
Alien  28 | 7036
3 Jul 2025   #311
over very soon.

So in about 3 years.
mafketis  42 | 11530
3 Jul 2025   #312
There is something in the air or in the water in UK

Did you have breakfast today? Cause.... Margarita thinks you don't need it.
Velund  1 | 508
2 days ago   #313
Did you have breakfast today?

Yes, of course. Greek yoghurt, pancakes with meat and Earl Grey tea.

I hope you don't think that Putin is starving us?
jon357  73 | 24523
2 days ago   #314
Definitely, there is something harmful to brain in water or in air in UK.

Lurrv, but not for pariah states.

Margarita

Should be swinging from a lampost, her feet weighed down by Vladolf Putler's solid gold toilet.
Mr Grunwald  34 | 2202
2 days ago   #315
Here is a video for those interested in knowing why Norway invests more in to Ukraine. While other countries are more reluctant to do the same


Ironside  51 | 13436
2 days ago   #316
While other countries are more reluctant to do the same

I would support cooperation with Ukraine based on the exchange of technology, know-how, and practical solutions for effective collaboration. My opposition arises from the idea of throwing money at the problem mindlessly, as that wastes Poland's resources and does not yield desirable results.
Mr Grunwald  34 | 2202
2 days ago   #317
My opposition arises from the idea of throwing money at the problem mindlessly,

I fully agree
Velund  1 | 508
2 days ago   #318
exchange of technology, know-how, and practical solutions

Method of busifications of males on the streets, keeping them starving in cellar until they sign voluntary conscription documents, and then 2-week express training before throwing to a frontline as a cannon fodder - it is one ot both technologies, know-how and practical solutions ukrainians can offer to Poland. ;)
Mr Grunwald  34 | 2202
2 days ago   #319
Method of busifications of males

I don't think "Moscow inspired recruitment methods" are that high on the list of know-how to gather. Let's be real here
Bobko  28 | 2589
2 days ago   #320
@Velund

Ukraine's leading paper recently published a long-form article about the absurdity of the country's mobilization system.

It was straight out of Hašek novel. I felt like I was reading "The Adventures of the Brave Soldier Schweik".

Before I describe the system in brief, I have to set the context. The context is that at this point, no normal person in Ukraine is "not afraid" of the "regional recruitment centers". There have been dozens of widely publicized cases in Ukraine, where people died within the walls of recruitment centers, died a suspicious death which was claimed as suicide, or were literally beat half to death on the street - before hundreds of witnesses.

Yet somehow, the AFU continues to mobilize new troops. This is a short story about those people:

In a nutshell:

1) They keep grabbing the same guys: drunks, drug abusers, people missing a kidney, or suffering from epileptic seizures. Things like that. Then they drag them to the local recruitment office.

2) At the local recruitment office - is your last chance to get out before a long journey begins. Here, a medical commission must certify your suitability for service. The problem? They don't listen to what you tell them, but instead request "recent" documents from your doctor certifying that you indeed have the ailments you claim. You could be barely standing on your legs, and they will still enlist you if you are not able to produce the necessary documents. The doctors that work within the recruitment centers certify everyone as "healthy", with the only exception seemingly being persons with amputated limbs.

3) After you have been certified as medically fit, your phone and other property is confiscated, and you are placed in a "distribution center". The "distribution center" is usually located within the same building as the Territorial Recruitment Center itself. If you are lucky, you may spend only one night in the distribution center, before being sent on the next leg of your journey. If you are not lucky, you could spend up to 3 weeks living in a cramped room with 50 other guys who haven't showered. It was in such a place, that there occurred a riot on June 2nd of this year, in a suburb of Kiev's. The mobilized men barricaded themselves inside their barracks, and took some officers hostage.

4) From the distribution center, your next stop is the "training center". Every morning, a bus arrives at the distribution center to pick up a batch of potential soldiers. Some people try to resist getting into the buses, so then they are beaten and shoved into them. Others try to jump out the windows, or escape while the bus is stopped in traffic. Once you arrive at the training center, you are ordered to stand in a line and look smart. At this point, several commanders from different Ukrainian brigades will arrive, and start examining "the goods". Drunks, junkies, and people with mental illnesses are immediately swept aside. Nobody wants them. Next, are filtered out the guys that "may" have a potentially legitimate reason for a deferment - but seem to have some kind of problem with their documents. Recruits are selected from whomever remains. On certain days, this may be just 1 or 2 individuals. The other 20-30 guys, are put back in the bus, and taken back to the distribution center.

5) If nobody picked you, and you were returned to your "distribution center", then they will keep you there for several more weeks, and take you on several more trips to the "training centers". In some cases, representatives of the "Territorial Recruitment Centers" will offer bribes to brigade commanders to take some "long time passenger" off their hands, and help them meet their quotas. The article interviews some guys that were taken to the "recruitment fair" more than ten times. Eventually, however, they have to release them. Knowing full well that they are un-recruitable, the drunks and junkies solemnly promise to return upon the next summons - and they do. In this way, you can have "professional recruits". Guys that get picked up every few months, driven around a bunch of training centers, and then released again as a total undesirable.

The problem for Ukraine - as the article discusses - is that the manpower hunger is becoming so acute, that brigade commanders are becoming increasingly more willing to take on the burden of these "undesirables". Soon, maybe even the mentally ill will be judged fit.

Source: pravda.com.ua/rus/articles/2025/06/16/7517270/
Bobko  28 | 2589
2 days ago   #321
Some "choice" quotes from the article:

"I have several hundred alcoholics and drug addicts who come to the TRC once a month and travel around the training centers. They are not worried about being drafted into the army, so they report every month without any problems and travel around the training centers," - an employee of the territorial recruitment center in western Ukraine tells UP.

"At the same time as me in the "distribution center" there was a 50-year-old father of three children with a disability. He tried to explain his situation to the military, but they told him: 'You learned how to use your cock, but you didn't learn how to protect your children?'" - the recruit tells UP.

"Everyone is here - from HIV-infected and hepatitis patients to people with obvious syphilis. Heart patients, epileptics and those with mental disorders are the norm here. They are rejected in all "training camps", but they are still kept in collection points and driven around different regions in the hope of being registered somewhere," adds another UP interlocutor among the mobilized, who spent two weeks in the same collection point in Kyiv.

"There were cases that out of 150 men that the military TRC brought to us, we selected only three," the chief of staff of a battalion of one of the mechanized brigades, which independently conducts basic military training, tells UP off the record.

Simply stupendous.
Novichok  6 | 9598
2 days ago   #322
Vladolf Putler's solid gold toilet.

Grow up...

Here is a video for those interested in knowing why Norway invests more in to Ukraine.

Norway should STFU. Nobody gives a damn about what Norway thinks.
mafketis  42 | 11530
2 days ago   #323
russian soldier should've stayed home

x.com/albafella1/status/1828441316042162477

This is pretty clear:

x.com/alochmar/status/1833168082421830120
Bobko  28 | 2589
2 days ago   #324
@mafketis

No reaction to my post about the absolute catastrophe with manpower in Ukraine?
mafketis  42 | 11530
2 days ago   #325
No reaction to my post about the absolute catastrophe with manpower in Ukraine?

Things are difficult for sure. But Ukraine has a relatively free press while russians are spoon fed lies and propaganda and squeal for more...

themoscowtimes.com/2025/05/13/press-freedom-in-russia-is-at-an-all-time-low-so-is-its-journalism-education-a89069

Have any comments on that?
Bobko  28 | 2589
2 days ago   #326
Have any comments on that?

Our press may be lying, but they could never obscure a problem of such magnitude.

Fact is - the problem does not exist in Russia in the same way it does in Ukraine.

Russia's army is completely volunteer - while Ukraine's is more than 80% coerced.

What the Ukrainians themselves say accounts for the difference, is that Russians are paid appropriately, and then no shenanigans are attempted with the payout to family if you die. With the Russian military - the business transaction is eminently straightforward.

There is no doubt that you or your family will be paid.
Torq  16 | 1529
2 days ago   #327
I would support cooperation with Ukraine based on the exchange of technology, know-how, and practical solutions for effective collaboration.

Lovely idea, Iron; absolutely precious, quaint and magical.

Unfortunately for our delusional Polish hearts, Ukraine sh*ts on Poland rather regularly. Just recently Zelensky announced a program of joint weapons production (e.g. opening drones, missiles and air defense systems production lines in partner countries) with allies of Ukraine. Those allies are: the UK, Denmark, Norway, Germany, Canada and Lithuania. Yes, you read that right, even Lithuania gets her share.

english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/ukraine-to-launch-arms-production-in-europe-this-summer--zel

Did you notice which country is sadly missing from this list? On the bright side, Poland is more than welcome to contribute 0.25% of our GDP to o help Ukraine increase arms production...

koha.net/en/bote/ukraina-u-kerkon-aleateve-perendimore-ti-ndajne-025percent-te-gdp-se-per-ta-shtuar-prodhimin-e-armeve

... so everything is sweet and dandy. :)
Alien  28 | 7036
2 days ago   #328
There is no doubt that you or your family will be paid.

This sounds ominous.
Bobko  28 | 2589
2 days ago   #329
This sounds ominous

Death is a normal part of the process.

What is important is that the Russian state honors all promises to its warriors. It doesn't engage in some cheap bait and switch as the Ukrainian state does.

If you contribute your life to Russia, it will perform its part of the deal. Even if it means we don't build some high speed railway or pay higher pensions.

For many men, this is enough.
Alien  28 | 7036
2 days ago   #330
you contribute your life to Russia, it will perform its part of the deal

Does Ukraine no longer have mercenaries?


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