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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 22


Korvinus  3 | 642
2 days ago   #751
Russia has more than enough weapons to finish this war

People have already realized Russia is indeed PATHETICALLY weak, there was a cloud before but now it's all clear.

Russia is a blight on the world and its defeat is good for the human race.
Novichok  6 | 9635
2 days ago   #752
People have already realized Russia is indeed PATHETICALLY weak,

Russia is pathetically weak now in the same manner the US was pathetically weak in Vietnam with that off-limits list stupidity.

The result: The #1 superpower that spends 40% of all military budgets combined loses the war.

Russia merely replicates this idiocy ... to be nice ...
Miloslaw  24 | 5508
2 days ago   #753
@Novichok
I can't disagree with a word of that and Ukrainians seem to be outsmarting Russians at every turn.Just like the VietCom did with the USA.
Novichok  6 | 9635
2 days ago   #754
This war, just like the one we lost in Vietnam, reminds of those stupid movies where the bad guy talks too much and gets his gun knocked out of his hand by a brave and fast chick.

The cops arrive, music,...credits...
johnny reb  49 | 7919
2 days ago   #755
we lost in Vietnam

We never lost a battle in engagement though, did we.
Novichok  6 | 9635
2 days ago   #756
We never lost a battle in engagement though,

The battles were won by the US soldiers.

The war was lost by the DC ruling slime.
johnny reb  49 | 7919
2 days ago   #757
The war was lost by the DC ruling slime.

Thank you for straightening the Eurp punks out to shut them up from spreading shlt that we lost the war in Nam.
We lost the war in Washington D.C. morons, not in Nam as we never lost a single battle in Nam.
Tacitus  2 | 1393
2 days ago   #758
Just like the VietCom did with the USA.

You are doing the Ukrainians a disservice here. The Vietnamese knew that they only had to cause relatively low casualties to the US soldiers and the US public would grow sick of the war. And they could afford to sacrifice several of their own if it meant killing a single US soldiers.

That is not the way the Ukrainians are fighting. They are fighting like the Finnish people did in 1940. Maximizing the casualties of the enemy while minimizing their own.
Novichok  6 | 9635
2 days ago   #759
We lost the war in Washington D.C. morons

Exactly.

I will make this point clearer in the future.

Maximizing the casualties of the enemy while minimizing their own.

What are the UA KIAs so far?
jon357  72 | 24208
2 days ago   #760
Maximizing the casualties of the enemy while minimizing their own.

This is certainly working for them.

As is keeping any important information within Europe.

This is becoming a hybrid war. A question is what Putler hopes to achieve by some of the low level stuff, like staring fires on the doorstep of the private home of Europe's main elected politician. It doesn't cause stress in the free world, the perps obviously get caught and it has no impact in Ukraine.

A danger is that they'll go a step too far and that will be the biggest escalation in the war so far.
johnny reb  49 | 7919
2 days ago   #761
You are doing the Ukrainians a disservice here.

And also the U.S. servicemen and women as he is clueless with his erroneous jabs
Just like the VietCom did with the USA.

Who is/was the VietCom ?
Did you mean the Viet Cong also known as the NLF or PLAF ?
No wonder Joker gets so upset when Euro's try to preach American politics and have no idea what they are talking about.
OP Velund  2 | 542
1 day ago   #762
what Putler hopes to achieve by some of the low level stuff, like staring fires on the doorstep of the private home of Europe's main elected politician.

That politician probably "forgot to pay" to that ukrainian gay prostitutes that "remembered about debt" such ukrainian way.
jon357  72 | 24208
1 day ago   #763
prostitutes

Interesting that you know so much about a domestic matter that's not come to Crown Court yet.

There's no suggestion that he'd or anyone else in his household had ever met them. This was r*SSia up to their usual games and there will be a price to pay.

"remembered about debt"

What your hired goons couldn't have 'remembered' is an address that the couple lived in long before they were born.

Don't try to deny r*SSian trickery; nobody believes you.

Instead, weep that Ukraine has singlehandedly neutralised billions of pounds worth of your planes. This is only the beginning.
Tacitus  2 | 1393
1 day ago   #764
like staring fires on the doorstep of the private home of Europe's main elected politician

Didn't know that. Has the French police caught the culprit yet?
jon357  72 | 24208
1 day ago   #765
Has the French police

"Have the".

They don't have jurisdiction there and in any case are useless and corrupt.
Tacitus  2 | 1393
1 day ago   #766
They don't have jurisdiction there

Why wouldn't the French police have jurisdiction when someone makes an arson attack on Macron's house?
jon357  72 | 24208
1 day ago   #767
Did anyone do that (or even know where his house is)?

He's a lame duck president anyway so little point in targetting someone who will be out of office within 2 years and has a government led by his rivals.
Ironside  51 | 13252
1 day ago   #768
an arson attack on Macron's house?

Come on, it would be easier to find those who wouldn't want to set fire to Macron's house.
Tacitus  2 | 1393
1 day ago   #769
Your wrote:

private home of Europe's main elected politician

Naturally I was thinking off Macron here.

I get it, you don't like Macron, but look at it objectively. He is now the longest serving leader of a mayor European country, in charge of the most powerful European army, and he has made the European deterrence against Russia his priority, to the extent that there are now talks about a French nuclear umbrella for the rest of Europe. He is currently setting the agenda for Europe.
jon357  72 | 24208
1 day ago   #770
Some lovely news:

The country's secret service, the SBU, say they blasted the underwater pillars of the Crimean Bridge overnight after a months-long operation.

Video shows a detonation erupting underneath the bridge after 1,100kg worth of explosive devices had been covertly planted by SBU agents.

The Crimean Bridge, also called the Kerch Bridge, is a personal project of Vladimir Putin which links the peninsula, invaded by Russia in 2014, to the mainland

metro.co.uk/video/ukraine-strikes-crimean-bridge-underwater-explosives-3449241/?ito=vjs-link

Not a bridge to drive anything heavy over, and almost impossible to repair.

Naturally I was thinking off Macron

Natural isn't a word that suits him.

you don't like Macron

Neither do most French.

Their army is far weaker than they like to suggest (and doesn't have a great record of success, especially in the region where I am now, the southern bit of the Sahel).

He's a has been, lame duck president, likely
To be succeeded in office by a rival and certainly isn't setting any agenda, much as he'd like to.

Nevertheless, r*SSia did pay some muppets to make fires at two former homes of a leader with a supermajority, between 4 and 9 years left in office and who Putler is obviously very scared of.
Tacitus  2 | 1393
1 day ago   #771
Their army is far weaker than they like to suggest

Which European army isn't? The French army is still usually considered to be the best, or maybe it is accurate to call it the least terrible one.

lame duck president

And yet he is setting the agenda for Europe.
Having the power of the French presidency probably helps with that of course.

who Putler is obviously very scared of

Please. Putin is only scared of Trump (because of the might of the US) and Xi.

That he is scared off the Europeans, who would struggle to scrape enough soldiers together for a small peace-keeping force in Ukraine is laugheable.

The UK is a valuable part of the coalition against Russia, but it is not in a position to lead ir.
jon357  72 | 24208
1 day ago   #772
Which European army isn't?

The ones that don't lie or exaggerate about their armies, that don't use secret kill switches and have actual successful recent combat experience.

And yet he is setting the agenda for Europe

He isn't though, is he.

Hard to know why you mention Trup.

it is not in a position to lead

It started the Coalition of the Willing which cannot credibly exist without it. No other country is in a position to do so.

That he is scared off the Europeans, who would struggle to scrape enough soldiers together for a small peace-keeping force in Ukraine is laugheable.

Putler s scared of only a few countries.
Tacitus  2 | 1393
1 day ago   #773
The ones that don't lie or exaggerate about their armies,

Jon, the British air force and navy are well equipped and would be very valuable in defending Europe against Russia. But the British army as it is now is simply too small and badly equipped to be of much use. That is not me talking but British military experts.

It started the Coalition of the Willing

Which went absolutely nowhere, in part because it turned out that even the UK would struggle to contribute a few thousand soldiers to it. Probably should also have chosen a different name to be honest.

The leadership role is simply beyond the power of a British PM here.

Putler s scared of only a few countries.

None of which are in Europe.
jon357  72 | 24208
1 day ago   #774
the British air force and navy

Royal. And most significantly they talk about weaknesses however their strengths are a confidential matter. There is more going on than you know or "military experts" can say.

Which went absolutely nowhere

It's still there, and European countries plus allies still meet

simply beyond the power of

Why?
cms neuf  2 | 2044
1 day ago   #775
Another nice strike on the NN's infrastructure - the Ukies managed to evade the military dolphins and bomb the bass of the Kerch bridge LOL
Tacitus  2 | 1393
1 day ago   #776
Why?

Because the UK is not providing enough aid to Ukraine, nor to the deterrence of Russia to claim that position amongst the Europeans.

the Ukies managed to evade the military dolphins and bomb the bass of the Kerch bridge LOL

Any news on the damage?
jon357  72 | 24208
1 day ago   #777
Because the UK is not providing enough aid to Ukraine

Aside from training thousands of troops and putting arms factories into full production. Not that the level of aid (which is high from the U.K.) has any bearing, as the French would doubtless tell you.

Any news on the damage?

Yes. Closed for a few hours and open again. It is however cumulative damage that matters with large bridges so the next strike may well sink it.
Tacitus  2 | 1393
1 day ago   #778
has any bearing, as the French would doubtless tell you.

The amount of delivered aid by the UK and France is pretty much identical, with 15,17 bn and 15,16 bn respectively.

ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

The French will however point to their stronger army, the potential to providing Eastern Europe with a nuclear umbrella and the fact that they still have a seat in the EU where most of the sanctions and possible European security guarantees are being discussed.

My hope is that Merz will assume leadership once he has found his footing, but for now the ball is in Paris.
jon357  72 | 24208
1 day ago   #779
The amount of delivered aid

Not really.

As mentioned, much of the aid has been in training.

French will however point to their stronger army, the potential to providing Eastern Europe with a nuclear umbrella

They probably would point that out, though their army's record proves otherwise, and they are not the only nuclear state in Europe. You should be wary about estimates around the number of warheads too. The EU is neither here nor there, and frankly more there at the moment given that Orban and Fico have a veto.

My hope is that Merz will assume leadership

Unlikely, given the high level of support for r*SSia among the voters of his country and the fact that their military and intelligence services are riddled with r*SSia assets and supporters.


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Tacitus  2 | 1393
1 day ago   #780
As mentioned, much of the aid has been in training.

Which has been accounted for. And realistically speaking training soldiers is not going to cost several bns that have been hidden away.

and they are not the only nuclear state in Europe.

But they are they only nuclear state with which there are serious talks about sharing the nuclear umbrella.

The EU is neither here nor there

The EU is where 90% of the European sanctions against Russia are coordinated. And as it stands now, the prospect of EU membership may be the only somewhat credible security guarantee that is on the table for Ukraine. Matters in which the UK no longer has any say in.

Given that Germany is the largest supplier of aid to Ukraine, set to become the biggest spender on defence in Europe in the next few years and is already stepping up in deterring Russia in Eastern Europe, that is hardly unlikely.

Certainly less unlikely than a British leadership role.

PS: You picked the statistic that doesn't account for the share of EU funds per country, which is of course misleading. French bilateral support for Ukraine is relatively small, but it provides significantly to it via the EU, which makes it equal to British support.


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