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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 22


cms neuf  2 | 1984
2 days ago   #571
So basically nobody can leave without paying a bribe to get round the 10 conditions that the govt of NN made up

If you do leave you can't take your kids. They remain as hostages for the NN Nazi regime

Easiest place to go is Cyprus ? Now why would any NN want to make a beeline for there ?
Bobko  28 | 2267
2 days ago   #572
So basically nobody can leave without paying a bribe to get round the 10 conditions that the govt of NN made up

I don't know - look at me.

I don't have a summons. I am not a criminal. Am not bankrupt. Do not have access to state secrets. Do not work for the FSB. Am older than 18.

Such a strange, and atypical individual I am.

The fact that the Russian government doesn't give a **** about my movements, seems almost like an insult - now that you have mentioned it.
Torq  13 | 1256
2 days ago   #573
The fact that the Russian government doesn't give a **** about my movements, seems almost like an insult

It is an insult that they don't use you as an agent; surely there aren't many specialist on all things Polish of your calibre in Russian intelligence. Or perhaps they are saving you for a later political position (like Germans prepared Morawiecki), who knows.
Przelotnyptak1  - | 804
2 days ago   #574
nd seems unwilling to exert any pressure on russia).

Maf, are you forgetting Russian nukes?. Without the nukes, Russia as we know it would be a distant memory, a loosely held conglomerate of minorities, and Krolewiec would be our again.
mafketis  41 | 11395
2 days ago   #575
Maf, are you forgetting Russian nukes?.

Not forgetting.... just being realistic. They realize if they use a nuke it's all over for them...I almost think if they had one they would have used it already. But again... it's not a culture where people take care of things and who knows how many actually operational nukes they have?

rumors were that they wanted to do a test to scare the west but the first few attempts failed....

Que sera sera
Novichok  6 | 9439
2 days ago   #576
They realize if they use a nuke it's all over for them...

And who is going to roll over Russia?

You, Polaks? What if Russia, after a warning, decides to drop a tactical nuke on its own territory in Donbass where the UA just happens to be without Russia's permission?

If think the US will then commit suicide, you are stupider than your posts.
Bobko  28 | 2267
2 days ago   #577
surely there aren't many specialist on all things Polish of your calibre in Russian intelligence.

Insulting again, for Russia. I am a student of economic history from an American university, and you compare me with people who studied Poland throughout their entire life.

Moscow State University link for "Polish and Polish Literature". Admittedly very outdated page in comparison to that of every other faculty, but read about its history!

philol.msu.ru/~slavphil/polon.html
Torq  13 | 1256
2 days ago   #578
people who studied Poland throughout their entire life. Moscow State University link for "Polish and Polish Literature"

Studying Polish language and literature is one thing but learning about current events, politics and actually talking to people (even online) is something completely different. I still think your talent is being wasted in the financial sector.
Novichok  6 | 9439
2 days ago   #579
Common sense beats "studying" every time.

We have 50% of the world's MBAs. We should be swimming in money.

Instead, we are drowning in unpayable debt.

Conclusion: US MBAs are dumber than sheepherders in Mongolia.
jon357  72 | 24072
2 days ago   #580
It is an insult that they don't use you as an agent

Don't they?
Tacitus  2 | 1372
2 days ago   #581
Western allies lift Ukraine's restrictions on long-range weapons, says Merz

Western allies are not imposing any range restrictions on the use of long-range weapons delivered to Ukraine against Russian military targets, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said on Monday.

Merz pointed out that the restrictions have been lifted not only on German weapons.

"There are no longer any restrictions on the range of weapons delivered to Ukraine, neither by the UK, France, nor us. There are no restrictions by the US either," he said during a discussion forum organised by the public broadcaster, WDR.

He stated that Ukraine can now "defend itself, for example, by attacking military facilities in Russia

euronews.com/2025/05/26/western-allies-lift-ukraines-restrictions-on-long-range-weapons-says-merz
Novichok  6 | 9439
2 days ago   #582
Russia Defies Trump With Largest-Ever Drone-and-Missile Attack on Ukraine
Kyiv says more than 350 explosive drones targeted its cities overnight

Ukraine can end this war just as easily as Japan and Germany ended theirs in 1945.

A piece of paper and sign here...Duh!

Memo to Putin: Don't trust Western m-fers. Go for the whole thing. You are past the oop, sorry, point.

And never, ever forget that "We played for time" from that ugly German frau...
cms neuf  2 | 1984
2 days ago   #583
But Germany and Japan had been defeated by well organized, rapidly advancing armies

The North Nigerians and their ragbag loser allies move slower than snails and are using rifles from the 1950s. They are sozzled dawn to dusk and their commanders main interests are sexual abuse of conscripts and theft of supplies.
Novichok  6 | 9439
2 days ago   #584
The benefit of operating at the bottom the way you do it is that few bother to join you there.

Have fun...

But Germany and Japan had been defeated by well organized, rapidly advancing armies

If they were slow and poorly organized the outcome would be the same.

Vlad, don't pay any attention to Russia haters...and do what's best for Russia.
cms neuf  2 | 1984
2 days ago   #585
"Vlad" can't hear you - he is in a coma or maybe dead

Of course that could be disproved if he turned up for peace negotiations. But until he does so then I just assume he is in a deep coma
Przelotnyptak1  - | 804
2 days ago   #586
They realize if they use a nuke it's all over for them..

You forgot to add allover for us, and the human race. Dirty perpetrators, surviving in their bunkers, would eventually be forced to come out just to be
ripped apart by the few surviving zombies. Every last scientist would be executed, no more discoveries and inventions
mafketis  41 | 11395
2 days ago   #587
You forgot to add allover for us,

so you want to surrender?
jon357  72 | 24072
2 days ago   #588
he is in a coma or maybe dead

Could be. Or could be something else.

Whatever it is, we should assume there's something wrong given his absence from the talks in Istanbul and the fact that he hasn't been seen except for ery limited staged TV footage all year.
Przelotnyptak1  - | 804
2 days ago   #589
so you want to surrender?

No way, but maximum conventional military pressure, solid commitment from the EU, involving boots on the ground instead of cowardly Western Europeans.
fisting on the sh*t infested eggs, while Ukranian rivers run red. Ukraine is your backyard, your problems. The US, in solidarity with NATO, should provide real economic sanctions and technological assistance, but not American blood. I have my doubts. Can't see soft ar*e Europeans making needed sacrifices, not for Slaves, we need Germany to awaken, their warrior spirit simmers just under the skin, all they need is a bold, fearless leader, not a racial maniac or a socialist
Novichok  6 | 9439
1 day ago   #590
and technological assistance,

I am all for it as soon as we pay off the national debt...only 36 trillion so it shouldn't take long...
Novichok  6 | 9439
1 day ago   #591
I am glad Russia remembers "We played for time" Western honesty.

Russia: Agreement then ceasefire.

Ukraine: Ceasefire so we can rearm.
cms neuf  2 | 1984
1 day ago   #592
But Putler didn't even turn up for the talks on the "agreement"

Only 3 explanations are possible

- he is dead
- he is in a coma
- he is a coward and a pussy

Which one ? No essays
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12155
1 day ago   #593
Trump works!

EU ministers approve new 150 bln-euro arms fund

reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/eu-ministers-approve-new-150-bln-euro-arms-fund-2025-05-27/

The approval, by ministers from EU countries meeting in Brussels, was the final legal step in setting up the Security Action for Europe (SAFE) scheme, using joint EU borrowing to give loans to European countries for joint defence projects.
The measure was backed by 26 of the EU's 27 member countries, with Hungary abstaining, diplomats said.

"We adopted SAFE - first large-scale defence investment programme on the EU level," Poland, which holds the EU's rotating presidency, said on X.
"The more we invest in our security, the better we deter those who wish us harm."

The European Commission, the EU's executive body, proposed the fund in March as fears grew among European leaders that they could not be sure that U.S. President Donald Trump's administration would defend them from attack.


I wonder why Hungary abstained....do they believe they will be overseen?

I love the naming: Security Action For Europe :)
PolAmKrakow  2 | 930
1 day ago   #594
@Bratwurst Boy
While on its face, this is nice, it really isnt $hit is it? How many hundreds of billions has Ukraine received in the last three years? This is equal to pi$$ing on a forest fire.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12155
1 day ago   #595
How many hundreds of billions has Ukraine received in the last three years?

The EU only works in baby steps....and kicking and screaming when shoved....but she moves! Especially important for those who have a longer future in mind than only one legislative periode, as its common with national govs.

Add to that:

Germany's Merz: No more range limits for weapons to Ukraine

dw.com/en/germanys-merz-no-more-range-limits-for-weapons-to-ukraine/a-72676864

Along with Ukraine's other key Western backers, Germany has lifted range restrictions on the weapons it sends to Kyiv to fight Russia. The Kremlin has called it a "dangerous" move.

"There are no longer any range restrictions on weapons delivered to Ukraine - neither by the British nor by the French nor by us nor by the Americans," he said at the WDR Europaforum 2025 at the re:publica digital conference in Berlin.

"This means that Ukraine can now defend itself, for example, by attacking military positions in Russia... With very few exceptions, it didn't do that until recently. It can now do that," Merz explained....


There is definitely change in the air!
jon357  72 | 24072
1 day ago   #596
I wonder why Hungary abstained....do they believe they will be overseen?

Do you mean overlooked, forgotten, or overseen, managed?

They'll of course be neither however their support for r*SSia is disturbing.

The approval, by ministers from EU countries meeting in Brussels

The.UK (and I think the US) had already made that decision so hopefully we'll be seeing something. The sanctions need cranking up to the maximum possible level too.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12155
1 day ago   #597
Do you mean overlooked

Very probably! :)
(My English just doesn't get any better....)

Overlooked in the worst case of a russian attack...hard to believe....
Bobko  28 | 2267
1 day ago   #598
The more we invest in our security, the better we deter those who wish us harm.

If you are like me, and you don't believe Russia will attack a NATO or EU state in the near future... it opens up a lot of interesting hypotheticals.

Armed to the teeth, but with no Russian invasion forthcoming - what will the Western Europeans do? Satisfied that they deterred the Russians, do they just start to disarm again? Surely not.

So if they don't disarm, what to do with all the weapons and all the conscripts? The higher state of militarization may start to dictate its own logic.

Some hypotheticals:

1) Strengthened in their capabilities, Europeans take a more aggressive approach to North Africa. Under pressure from the Italians and other Mediterranean states, Europe sends forces into Libya - to prevent Islamists from controlling the country, and to curtail refugee flows.

2) France, smarting from being pushed out of places like Burkina Faso, Mali, CAR, etc by Russia - may begin to pressure its European allies for a larger scale commitment to West Africa. They may get support for this from Spain and Portugal. The goal would be to demonstrate an ability at defeating the Islamist insurgency that has eluded the Russians, and regime change (removing people like Mr. Traore).

3) With their large Muslim populations, Western Europe may try to drive a harder line in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Right now Israel only listens to America, because Europe doesn't represent anything from a security point of view. A bulked up Europe, could be able to make life more complicated for Israel. For example, by working closely with Syria and Lebanon, and applying pressure on Israel to deoccupy stretches of Southern Lebanon and the Golan Heights. In the same way, Europe could offer Yemen a way back into the 21st century, conditional on decoupling from Iran and not attacking Israel. For this, Yemen would likely require assistance in ending its civil war.

4) The most far-fetched thing I can think of, is that Europe may begin to compete with the United States for influence in the Pacific. Japan, Korea, and others are shocked at their treatment by a supposed ally, and are worried about being caught between two fires. Europe may offer a third way, where one does not have to be a vassal of either China or America. For this, it needs to be able to provide a credible security umbrella. So maybe Germans can replace Americans in Korea, and French in Okinawa. But this is fantasy land.
jon357  72 | 24072
1 day ago   #599
hard to believe....

Very. If any country near r*SSia but not bordering it was invaded, they'd get support however Orban likes to sow fear and chaos.

I just hope the EU or its member states aren't sharing intelligence or information with them.

English just doesn't

Your English is fine, however overseen/overlooked is a common mistake, especially among speakers of languages close to English.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12155
1 day ago   #600
Armed to the teeth, but with no Russian invasion forthcoming - what will the Western Europeans do?

I no longer trust Putin to make rational decisions....to much time with absolute power happens to change people!

Anhow....the whole arms industry has always been a hot spot for developing the highest high tech and bringing bread onto millions of tables.
So, I doubt people will complain having this sector flourishing at all...even without Putin losing it fully.


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