Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 21

Agreed. Especially now when on the fields of what was once Ukraine, we see more and more non-Russian soldiers in Russian army. So, Russia also agree, as part of the deal probably.

Why retreat from global laboratory?

Exactly.

This war started precisely because BRICS countries (and global South in general) want to overthrow the American economic and military domination. If Russia wins it, and the US runs away with tail between their legs because Trump pouts about his another unfulfilled promise ("I will end this in 24 hours" xD), then the role of dollar as the international reserve currency is over, and only then Americans will really see what economic crisis means--1929 will be looked upon as time of great prosperity and wealth.

But maybe that's what should happen...

- Americans earned billions upon billions on their weapons exports to Europe ($60 billion only last year), much more than they ever spent on NATO, and yet constantly call Europeans "parasites";
- the USA asserted economic domination over the world with an intricate system of economic violence of which dollar as world's reserve currency has been one of the main pillars, which allowed Americans to export their inflation to the entire world and finance their numerous wars in every part of the globe,
- the US imposed neoliberal policies on developing nations which increased economic instability, inequality and social unrest all over the world; they forced "regime change" at will with complete disregard to civilian casualties when it suited them, and when it suited them they supported authoritarian regimes guilty of atrocities and human rights abuses,

... so basically, they f*cked up the entire world and now MAGA retards here say--"it's your war, we are done, fvck you, we love Russia and Lavrov" (see Novisuckcock #776) :D

Perhaps it's time for Europe to make the mental transition from the eternal dogma of European-American alliance and consider other options, whatever they might be.

It really didn't. It was caused solely by r*SSian greed and imperialism

@cms neuf
As usual you miss the point. The EU is more concerned with bvllshit than it is about stopping this war. But lets have another meeting about it.

@Torq
Right. So, the largest economy in the world accounting for more than 25% of the worlds entire gdp is going to be cast aside. There is not a single economist that would support anything you just wrote.

If the US and Russia ever did decide to work together, the world would not only be a much safer place, but both countries would become so wealthy it would be shocking. Imagine opening Siberia to natural resource mining and drilling. Imagine how good Ukraine could have things with no war, and the US companies working there. The job creation and rising wages would lift Ukraine out of third world status.

Now imagine Europe having all these wonderful defense systems from the US, and all the technology from the US. Then all of a sudden they just dont work any more. Like losing the keys to your car, you are fvcked. Europe is past the point of no return from its relationship with the US. And Europe could not survive the loss of the US market.

It is an oversimplistic view. Sure, these factors played their role too but it was about more than that from the very beginning, and the involvment of China, Iran and North Korea in this war is a clear sign of what it really is about - overthrowing America as global superpower. If Russia wins, then China, North Korea and Iran win as well.

The price for electing the orange-skinned caveman can be very high for America. Higher than they ever expected.


That's percisely why not a single weapons system should ever be purchased from America again.


It's what you think.

I don't see that, unless you mean the fact that r*SSia is in demographic and economic decline compared to more proactive countries.

There was a vanishingly small window for Putler to invade.

About China, r*SSia are now in political and economic thrall too them. That was always going to happen however now China have got that with very little effort. Basically they've been able to sit back and watch.

But the US and North Nigeria are working together - with the aim of screwing the peaceful Ukrainians.

The world doesn't seem a safer place, and nobody is getting richer, except Golden Cow, Putler and the people that bribe them.

Every country, France Germany et al has the same capability to shut off their equipment remotely. If it was solely an American thing, then I would agree that its fvcked up, but its not. Its why a lot of arms left behind when Biden fvcked up in the middle east arent being used against the US now. If Europe could be independent of the US even ten years from now, there would be a plan to make it happen. The US consumer market cannot be replaced anywhere in the world.

Peaceful Ukrainians? I dont think so. They had the opportunity to do a deal three years ago. They had the opportunity to sign Minsk 2. They have the opportunity now to negotiate and still they bring completely unreasonable demands. Like Ukraine could ever take back Crimea or any of the other 20% of its territory Russia has now. They do not have enough men, and no stockpile of weapons can replace or make up for a lack of manpower.

Their equipment. Not other people's that were bought from them, not officially anyway.

Any secret and dishonest 'kill switch' in imported weapons can be found and disabled by any developed country, and as Torq said, if any were found on weapons bought from the US, nobody would buy from them.

In fact, your entire defence industry woiuld collapse overnight due to lack of trust.

Yes, peaceful Ukrainians

- they haven't invaded anybody
- they have agreed to the US brokered ceasefire in March. North Nigeria has not agreed

Of course they have less weapons and men than the North Nigerian Nazis. That's because they are not a totalitarian military state. Does that mean they should roll over ?

russian disinformation... the 'deal' was total surrender and russian occupation


russia broke every ceasefire 'deal' made between 2014-22


As ooposed to very reasonable russian demands that they withdraw from Ukrainian land and demilitarize? what is 'unreasonable' about wanting control over internationally recognized territory? what is 'unreasonable' about wanting attacks against civilians stopped?

You need to get off the MAGA pro-russian train.... that's an express to nowhere....

@cms neuf
Meanwhile Ukraine arms producers are being arrested for sending 120,000 mortar rounds to the front lines that are essentially paperweights. Thats how much Ukraine people want to continue fighting. Its own productiion people send garbage to the front lines to get more Ukrainian men killed.

Ukraine has not agreed to a peace plan. Russia has not agreed to a peace plan. Ukraine refuses under presidential order to talk to Russia and negotiate. Peaceful Ukrainian people, civilians are dying because wreckless Ukrainian leaders wont see that they cannot accomplish their lofty goals on the battlefield. Those same leaders would rather risk the US walking away and the total eventual collapse of the Ukraine state. All the war supporters here should go volunteer to fight.

Civilians are dying because North Nigerian war criminals are dropping North Korean bombs on them.

Why is this the fault of the Ukrainian generals?

Ukraine has agreed a cease-fire, five weeks ago. They have not agreed a Peace plan because the terms are still to be negotiated to an acceptable level.

Ask cucker tarlson....when it comes to Ukraine, MAGA types now only regurgitate third hand russian propaganda as if it were some great new insight.... many such cases!

Newsflash

More and more europeans would love for Trump to walk away at this point. You are being delirious

Instead of 'walk away' another phrasal verb would be more suitable here...

- f*ck *ff -

... would you like to buy a vowel?

@Torq
I try not to denigrate myself to the level of Russian diplomatical language, no matter the emotions felt or not felt inside.

We do have a duty to be examples for all Slavs, especially when the state most people in the world would think natural for it to be... Clearly are not being examplarary

True. I stand corrected.

Please stop, before you give Miloslaw a heart attack Grunnie.

Milo thinks Russians are Turks. If you tell him that most people around the world assume any Slav is a Russian, it will break the man.

@Bobko
Shock therapy has it's positive sides. Sometimes one has to become conscious of the reality around one self even if one dislikes it or disagrees with it!

Any Pole should never forget that for the last 200 years most people around the WORLD, not just Europe or Asia. View Slavs in general via Russia and Russians and become confused when meeting Poles. It's one of the reasons

Well, for a long time most Slavs in the world did come from Russia.

If you go to Ellis Island in New York, and look at all the Slavic names - most are Russian nationals. Today they are Belarusians, Ukrainians, Poles, Slovaks, Rusyns, etc.

The non-Russian Slavs were only Austrian and Ottoman Slavs (Germans had practically no Slavs in comparison).

All the Ottoman Slavs always oriented themselves towards Russia, as can still be seen through this forum.

The only Slavs which are a historic problem are f*cking Austrian Slavs.

Ukraine is signing a minerals deal today but it's obviously going to commit them to very little - just Otis B Driftwood language and a few vague ideas

Golden Cow just wants any piece of paper he can wave around. It's not important what is written there

Sometimes you surprise me.

Your view on that is blurred due to lack of closeness and it's past being too vague and distant. One of the peoples that assimilated and removed the very idea of Slavs within it's borders were Germany.

Sorbs, Pomeranian's, Khashubs, Silesians and many others who their descendants live today as Germans in eastern Germany have been completely erased from your mind it seems when reading your post.

And to be Frank, among all Slavs I think Czechs, Poles and Russians have spelt the most blood between each other through war when summarising all Slavs and their contribution to Slavic death tolls.

Croatians Ustashe and Ukrainians bloody Banderites are nothing to brag about, while at same time one must remember that from medieval times bloodshed was done then too. In a historical perspective

You said it yourself - they have been completely erased.

They have proved weak, and ultimately useless to Mother Slavia. Let them be swallowed up, I say. We need no tourists - no passengers.


Because they had the means. God forbid to be born a Slovene or some Slovak - with no control over your fate - always sold by each new pimp.

Czechs, Poles, and Russians are the "poles" or "axis" within our system of coordinates due to their history. The great Bohemian Crown, Sobieski under Vienna, Peter the Great mopping the floor with Swedes...

In your mind.


And what do Poland? Czechs or Russia do nowadays? Make it so that no Slav is sold again on slave markets? Or travel to Dubai overjoy themselves over peanuts? There is a historical wrong to fix. Plenty of achievements to have! Yet I see few such ambitions!

Can you write one post, like a normal person, without demining or name-calling? Criticism is welcomed, even encouraged, as long as you adhere to a civilized
norm of behavior and the little truth sprinkled in the tidal wave of lies, or readers will mistake you for the king of idiocy, cow lover, logically challenged, you know who.
Besides, what does skin coloration have to do with anything? Well, you might be up to something if you compare the sunny piece of amber to a lump of coal.

AP: Ukrainian tanks are 50 km from Moscow and ready for the final assault. Stores are empty and civilians are digging trenches.

....and then I wake up...

It does not make you sound more intelligent or clever repeatedly calling President Trump a Golden Cow or calling Putin a Putler quiet the opposite makes you more limited dolt, without imagination, limited vocabulary, repetitive dunce, with the peculiar attachment to a bovine kind.

Not when I write about Agent Trumpov - the curse of the West, the comic book villain, all the vices and stereotypes about Americans embodied in one man and multiplied, the orange-skinned caveman, the comb-over king, the Golden Cow, the God's punishment on the world for our sins, the Epstein's best friend, the six-times bankrupt, the twitter tyrant, the promise breaker... *makes pause to catch breath* ... the spray-tanned narcissist, the orange oaf, the liar-in-chief, the shameless grifter, the bloated bafoon.

Does this answer your question?