Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 20

I understand this poetry:

When they decide its enough molesting and provocations from the west of Europe.

russians turn the skulls of children into war tropies, you ghoul....

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why do serbs support russian demons????

@Paulina
Hey genius. What would the USSR done without the US leand lease? They would have been throwing fvcking rocks. The US does not need Germany for a hub. Plenty of other options. Hungary would love to have the US base, so would Kuwait. And if you think for one second That closing US bases in Germany wouldnt collapse the local economies, you have never been around a base in Germany. The US has 20 bases in Germany, with two closing soon. Take more than 20K military and civilian support jobs out of Ramstein and the local economy with its 8000 residents is dead.

Not once have you heard an American complain that Europe, specifically Poland has not helped the US in its wars. In fact Trump has publicly praised Poland on many occasions. You want the US out of Europe and Poland? You may get that wish, and then who protects Europe, specifically Poland?

@Torq
Take a reading comprehension class. Ask a business owner in Rzezow if the Americans leaving will hurt his business. You obviously have not been there to see the economic impact thousands of Americans have had on that city.

That's a complete fabrication.

factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.372Y6CV

Except for that turd Vance pretending that key European allies are "random countries that haven't fought a war in 30 or 40 years.

The next time his gun-ridden dump wants former allies to help with their adventures in Iraq, Afghanistan or east Asia, they are on their own.

You were talking about the number of fallen soldiers, so I pointed out to you that the Soviet Union's "contribution" in this regard was incomparably greater than that of the US.


Then why is it using it as a hub?


Name those options then.
As for Hungary - are you sure about that considering how pro-Putin Hungary is?
And do you consider a Muslim country a better/safer option than Europe? Really?


Actually I get that impression all the time when I listen to Trump and read comments of Trumpists on the internet. You all sound like you forgot already about Iraq and Afghanistan. Some Americans (I don't know how many) don't even know that Polish soldiers were in Iraq.


Are you arguing with some kind of voices in your head? o_O Where did I write that I want the US out of Europe let alone Poland? Of course that I don't. But what I don't want even more is for the US to join the wrong (dark) side.

50-50 actually however Kuwait would be a pretty silly place for a base for several reasons.

Not least of them being that there's a vast and mostly empty and unused American base about 90 minutes from the Kuwaiti border; they had thousands stationed there however there was no point having a base there so they closed it. They've also got two huge naval bases in that region and don't need a military base.

But hey, PAK seems to know more than his country's strategic military planners.

A shame he doesn't know so much about his own countrymen criminal laws. He might have a shorter rap sheet, fewer spells in prison and a less bad reputation

It seems that the US wants to get out of Europe or something like that.
Do they want to divide Europe and extort some economic tribute from Europe, time will tell.
From the Polish point of view, the only thing that the US is giving to Poland's military security seems to be a bluff, no longer valid. So unless the US confirms in a way that can't be changed on a whim, security quaranteé to Poland or the US has nothing to offer for us.
Hence we are going to fend for ourselves and that it.

Let us focus on Poland. We Serbians have an idea.

No, they don't. If they did that would be the definitive end of anything resembling their world domination. What they want is Europe begging them to stay and paying them for protection (as if the European economic potential allied with theirs and not Russian/Chinese wasn't payment enough).


Yes. United Europe wouldn't succumb to any sort of pressure from anyone, and would be an independent player on the world stage. The EU with Russian Trojan horses (Hungary, Slovakia), Russian appeasers (Italy and to some extent Germany), those who don't care (Spain, Portugal), neutrals (Austria, Ireland), confused and out of their depth (France) is a disorderly mix of countries easy to fall prey to either American or Russian divide et impera. That's why closer integration of the EU seems to be the way Poland should support... or, as I mentioned in another thread, neutrality.


Well said.

Jon, wake up, please; put the proper perspective on the word "help."I am tired of repeating the same message over and over again: the so-called help, for practical reasons, was meaningless; from a military point of view, the British might have contributed something of value other than that coalition was needed for propaganda value, to create the illusion of a great alliance, unless that you think, we desperately needed additional 2%, that we couldn't" do without
98% of the fighting power, leadership, and equipment was American, so your wild assumptions are without basic, actual knowledge,actually I am sure you do know
But being such a contrarian, you will never acknowledge the truth

- 46,000 troops (of whom 179 died and 3,548 were injured)
- 33 naval ships
- 64 merchant ships
- 200 aircraft
- 120 Challenger 2 main battle tanks
- 150 Warrior infantry fighting vehicles
- 32 L131 self-propelled 155 mm howitzers
- 36 L118 105 mm towed howitzers
- 166 armoured Pinzgauer Vector PPVs
- 108 Mastiff PPVs
- 145 enhanced FV430 Mk3 Bulldogs

There's a reason Bush begged for help. There won't be a next time though.

Yeah, but massive havy equipment won the war.


You see, without Google's help, you ask funny questions. It makes no difference,why or where it is located; it has to be located somewhere.

Why ask questions for the sake of argument?


Stop worrying. Trump is keenly aware of the dark side and its goals, but diplomacy has its own convoluted ways of talking when it comes to stoping the senseless
destruction.

Excellent idea, if it does not lead to annihilation

I suggest that Poland enter alliance with Hungary and Serbia. Let us try. It can`t be worse then NATO.

Like AUCUS we form POHUS. Poland-Hungary-Serbia.

Bush. The US needed European help no more than a dog needed a fifth leg.

A fifth leg they begged for.

Excelent, we don't need all the b*ching, and crying, without the end on the horizon.

Sure. Poland provides money, population, army and nukes, Hungary provides gulyás, and Serbia provides rakija. Great deal for Poland - sign us up! *rolls eyes*

Or maybe we'll just buy some goulash and rakija from you and stick with the current alliances, thank you.

Great, since that boat has well and truly sailed for you.

Yeah, fifth leg and military help abuth same value

I suspect your military would disagree with you there.

Excuse me, from where I'm standing ( and that is an objective observer station) the US is doing all that b'ching and crying.
The US wants to change the system they built after WWII. Because they found out that is not feasible for them anymore. Simple.
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Why would we? We would need to defend those countries with negligible contributions from those countries.

Thank God, we finally can wave goodbye to disappearing under the horizon, European ballast.

Yes, you did.

And it's not going very well...

Ballast my ass, It's just that there is no more profit as it used to be. Mostly due to China using the American system to screw the US over economically.
Now, with this wake-up call the US turns to Europe and says you, it is your fault. the f it is.

POHUS is good idea. Perspective.

Trump's/US long term position may be this:

1. If Europe doesn't quickly agree to pay at least 5% for NATO, the US will withdraw (which means NATO will cease to exist).

2. If NATO doesn't exist, Trump/US will become close to Russia for economic reasons (the US wants to export to them as much stuff as possible). It will make Russia even stronger and will force the EU to spend more and more money on their own military systems. In result, people in the EU will be worse off since any extra money will be spent on military defense.

3. The US will continue expanding and modernizing their military abilities in the hopes the EU will keep buying arms from them (Poland surely will). It's a win-win for Trump/US because for the EU it will still be cheaper to buy from the US than to build their own.

In my view, the best long term strategy for the EU would be to pay 5% for NATO protection and for keeping Russia away from close US-Russia economic ties. But I'm afraid the EU will try to do it their own way by trying to build a new Euro-NATO, which would mean way more than a 5% budget (probably closer to 15%) to be spent on defense.

Three of the world's five major arms manufacturing countries are in Europe, so not really.


One reason it's so important for the free world to divest from them and boycott them. If they want splendid isolation and trade with r*SSia, let them have it. Alone.