Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 19

Even putin fans admit that elections in russia are fixed.... so... yeah .... elections!!!!!! Ukraine had more free elections from 2010-20 than russia has had since 1990....

The fixed elections in 1996 to keep a communist out of office (the west either participated or approved of the process) was the death of elections in russia...

but yeah... it's Ukraine that needs to hold elections while russia aims missiles...

better than the alternative of the yanks killing Zelensky by proxy like they did Ngo Dinh Diem in South Vietnam.

I've read this too. American sources also back up this figure:

state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-poland/

I think I would rather trust the Polish government and US State Department figures than those of PAK. Especially given that when asked he couldn't back up his ridiculous claim of 25 million illegal voters being removed from voter rolls since 2020.

He may as well have plucked these numbers out of thin air, but as usual, he knows better than everyone else.

Or out of tucker carlson's zhopa....

The constitution can be amended. For this, it's enough to suspend martial law for a single day to allow the votes in parliament to happen, and then the Supreme Court to certify that it's all kosher.

In any case, Amiga is right. Fox News already ran a report about the Trump team's 3 part plan for peace.

1) Ceasefire

2) Elections

3) Long term settlement

So elections would happen only after the guns go silent. Why can't martial law be lifted then?


Many countries hold elections even during times of war.

But I suspect the real reason is everyone is exhausted of having to deal with Zelensky.

Everyone wants to go back to their self serving ways, but like a homeless child outside a restaurant window - Zelensky does not allow oneself to properly enjoy a meal. The rising feeling of guilt from my rotten conscience, makes the food stick in my throat.

If only some waiter or policeman removed this hungry child from my sight, then I could continue to gorge myself.

A new president of Ukraine, means a fresh new person and a clean slate. He wasn't there for the mess of the Zelensky years, so he can blame any territorial concessions on his predecessor. For the West it's very comfortable, because they never promised this new person to support him "as long as it takes". Everyone can just shrug their shoulders and say - "It is what it is."

For Russia it's very straightforward. Each successive Ukrainian president brings new concessions. But at some point his ability to grant concessions runs out. He begins to communicate in private channels that "this thing I cannot do, because the Ukrainian people will otherwise hang me." Like a cornered animal, he suddenly becomes patriotic and starts speaking in Ukrainian and giving fiery speeches. This is when you know that the Ukrainian president is probably past his expiry date. At this point you need a new Ukrainian president with a "fresh mandate" and a clear conscience. He'll once again be able to sell the poor Ukrainians on yet another round of "necessary" concessions to Russia which cannot be avoided due to the malfeasance of his predecessor.

Before Zelensky it was Poroshenko who was the antichrist. Zelensky was actually supported by the Kremlin. Now it's Zelensky's Turn to be the antichrist.

Who is exhausted dealing with Zelensky ? Trump has been in the job for 3 weeks and spoken to him once

The basic problem is quite clear from your long screed. You see Ukraine as a vessel state at most, and really as a part of the UNNR. The North Nigerians had three years to win this on the battlefield and didn't come close to success.

The last few months you were telling us that the Ukrainian front line was on the brink of collapse, whereas it seems strong stronger than ever.

Nobody wants to become part of corrupt, backward North Nigeria, nobody wants to live in filth and poverty like North Nigerians.

How much does russia want "peace"??

Immediately after trump praises russia's desire for 'peace' russia launches a massive attack against civilian infrastructure in Odesa....

x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1891970342337286303

...na ja....there was still this matter with its nukes....


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

So....you can't say there were zero treaties....Ukraine got promised some security....

Actually..... no. The Ukrainian version of the document said 'guarantees' while the English version apparently said 'assurances' (ie 'nothing') I don't know what the russian version said.

Lesson: The US is an unreliable ally that cannot be trusted.

Ehhh, don't forget that Trump 1.0 got impeached "because" of Zelensky. That time, Trump briefly withheld $300M in aid to Ukraine, because he was trying to browbeat Zelensky into providing dirt on Hunter Biden and Biden Sr.

Also, after January 6th, surely thinking that there's no way Trump will ever come back to haunt him, Zelensky made a bunch of statements in "support of America's democratic institutions".

Trump knows Zelensky from his first term - not just for 3 weeks.

This week Zelensky already pissed him off twice. First by refusing to sign Trump's extortion letter. Second by cancelling his visit to Saudi Arabia (where he could have met the three Americans that stayed back after the Russians went home), in a fit over not being told about the meeting.

Trump relied a few hours later by blaming the war on Zelensky, saying "he had three years to do a deal", and that Zelensky should go because he has only 4% public support.

Yes, not exhausted at all.

That must had meant something....at least back then....or else Ukraine wouldn't had given away their main defense, wouldn't they?

I admit, I'm still abit puzzled.....

Nope. Meant nothing.

The US has a long history of backstabbing allies...

Wasn't that a Russian talking point a couple of months ago?

It's been a mafketis talking point for decades..... if the russkies catch up to me, maybe there's hope for them to stop being a bunch of violent, psychotic cvnts.

Give it a few centuries.


trumpet has a habit of making maximalist demands that he can't achieve.

Children, please repeat after me:

Kosovo referendum - gooooooooooooood!

Crimean referendum - baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!

Good job, kids...Cookie are over here. One per person!


I thought you died. Oh, fvck...

Compared to who ?
At least he is trying.
Not everything he touches is going to turn to gold, just most of it.

Trying to do what? Save relations with russia a la Clinton, Obama, Biden?

So far he's just continuing their policies, just more openly.

There's still time to change but he hasn't done a thing that's really constructive so far regarding Ukraine... unless you think bowing and scraping to russia is something.

Perfect.

That's why they like discussing things in absolute and seldom in relative terms. Like this:

Kosovo referendum - gooooooooooooood!

Crimean referendum - baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!

Did you notice that nobody responded to it?

Or this:

Russians taking kids to safety - baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad! In fact, it's so bad, it's a war crime.

Germans taking me and other Polish kids to safety after the Warsaw Uprising - oh, fvck...what to say now...That damn Novi....

Hey, kutas, take your sophistry and shove it.

The war is over. So the only question is how the US gets its money back from Zhole and how big a chunk of Ukraine will go to Russia.

NATO - a sick Ukrainian dream...and an American nightmare...

Facts azzholes like you ignore...In 2022, U could have kept it all except Crimea...as well 1.5 million men who are now dead or disabled.

Morons like you make me sick.

Oh boy, Zelensky's done it now...

He did such a good job of kissing Trump's a*s during the first month of his presidency, but now he's made a serious misstep.

Unable to contain his frustration at being sidelined from the negotiations, he started yapping again today. Except he said the worst thing you could possibly say to Trump - that he lives in a "disinformation bubble".

Bad Zelensky, stupid Zelensky. Very poorly advised Zelensky.

Trump's the guy that invented the term "fake news", and the same guy that appoints people Secretary of Defense because he enjoyed watching their program on Fox on Sunday. Trump does not live in a bubble, he is the bubble. He's a big bubble generator, and you never talk sh*t about bubbles to the bubble king.

Zelensky should have stuck to calling Trump a "great leader", telling him that "Putin fears you", and "nobody could have done the things you've done - certainly not Biden". These things worked nicely in Ukraine's favor. Maybe if he did it long enough, the Russians would have made some misstep of their own and inadvertently pissed off Trump.

It's amazing that Zelensky could say such a thing, without anyone stopping him. Any person with even a very simple understanding of America understands that Trump doesn't care about objective truth, only loyalty. The results also are not as important, as the optics and the messaging. The thing Trump likes least is when he's made to look stupid.

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Zelensky responded to Trump's claim that he has only 4% support, by trotting out poll results that show 57% of Ukrainians have a favorable view of him.

So, a clueless guy is being corrected by a manipulator. Both answers are incorrect.

It's irrelevant that 57% of Ukrainians have a favorable view of Zelensky. This says exactly nothing about who Ukrainians would like to see as their president. What actually matters is whether or not Ukrainians would vote for Zelensky in a competitive election. The answer to that question is no.

For two years now, Zelensky has been trailing his former general Zaluzhniy by a huge margin. Looking at those polls, you can see Zelensky only finds 20% support, and loses in a landslide.

Now remember also that political campaigning is illegal right now in Ukraine. People may split further, if the political season is reopened.

So, in a way Trump is right. Zelensky has oversat his term, and is not popular enough to get reelected. It may indeed be better to continue negotiations with a new president that actually has the full backing of the Ukrainian people. That would make the results that much more legitimate. But it's incorrect to say that Zelensky has 4% support. It's more like 20%.

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....or......he just did chose his side now!

Think about it Bobko, the recent bitchfest in Munich made it clear for most Europeans, and many of their leaders, that a new time has come, that things have to change (in Germany too once Olaf is history come sunday)....

The same Europeans no longer be seen (no longer feel that way / no longer want to even) as firm allies with the US....no longer friends with Washington....seeing its president no longer as a trusted partner, forget about friend.
Loudly thinking about building their own alliance, army, peace keeping force....call it what you want but something ANYTHING without the US.

Now Zelensky knows it makes no longer much sense to lick Trumps boots....he must lick Europe's boots now, so to speak. Become one of the european choir of disappointment, and yeah...even barely hidden animosity towards the US prez.

He surely expects more help and support in the future from this, actually still abit chaotic and swimming, "new Europe"....so, maybe not so stupid?

Absolutely this BB - Trump makes a few dumb posts on his fake ass Facebook page that read like one of PolAmK's post - wild inaccurate numbers, half truths and misunderstandings, and a sensible elected leader is supposed to respond to such drivel.

Trump has obviously surrounded himself with yes men - just like Putler.

He did say one correct thing - that there is an ocean between the US and Europe. We have noticed that too. Time to find our own solutions that don't rely on the voters of Wisconsin

I have no hope Europe will draw the right conclusions from this.

It happened in the past, and there was the same moaning and complaining, and cursing of the US. The peak moment was probably when France withdrew from NATO (then they came crawling back).

After WW2 Britain and France were pissed off at the United States for forcing them to hand back German steel and coal, and for pumping Germany full of weapons and money. But they got over it.

After the Suez Crisis, where the US joined the side of the USSR against Britain, France, and Israel - they again started talking about "strategic autonomy" and "European sovereignty". It was actually quite serious then. More than now.

Portugal was abandoned by the US (which again took the Soviet side), when India annexed Goa in a violent military operation.

France felt butthurt after America virtually monopolized Vietnam (after initially being there to observe and help).

Absolutely....

We have to stand on our feet!


Hard to imagine! 😬

Immediately after Munich Macron invited european leaders to start something....with Scholz again denying reality (as you know)....Macron should do so again with Scholz out of the office, they might go somewhere at last!

I pray for the day when Europe and everybody else will hate the US and tells the US to get the fvck out and go home. Then the US will spend less and start paying off that obscene 36B-dollar debt.

I would also appreciate if you stopped trading with the US. This way 1 trillion bucks in trade deficit will stay home and do wonders for the US economy.

A side benefit: Fat cats will get less fat.

Memo to Euros: Please, hate the US. I beg you...You, Poland, too... Be proud and give the US army the middle finger...so that they will come home and start protecting their homeland for a change.

BTW, over time I noticed that love is a lot more expensive than hate. See USAID as an example.

No, I don't give a fvck if children in Ethiopia are hungry. Before I had mine, I knew I could to support them. So before you bang her, see how much you have.

@Bratwurst Boy

Large countries achieved their size through war.

What did Bismarck say about the unification of Germany?

"Nicht durch Reden und Majoritätsbeschlüsse werden die großen Fragen der Zeit entschieden - das ist der große Irrtum von 1848 und 1849 - sondern durch Eisen und Blut."

The same is true about Russia, America, China, and even India.

America's 50 states cooperate harmoniously, but only after one half nearly exterminated the other.

In the same way, many countries were erased while Russia gained weight.

How do you Europeans think you will magically skip all of history, and make something similar without spilling oceans of blood?

You are too different, your interests too disparate.

There's more difference between a Belgian and a Frenchman, than between a New Yorker and Californian. This is despite the distance being hundreds of times less, and both of them speaking French.

And is he any more positively oriented toward russia than Zelenskyy?

I stand by my prediction that russia wants elections in Ukraine mainly so it can target polling stations and then claim that Ukraine can't govern itself or produce a bunch of fake ballots etc.

russians are liars and thieves with no honor.... so anyone who tries to negotiate with them in good faith might as well play Pavarotti records for a pig.

You mean like Cali and Texas?

If God didn't send Trump, Texas would be blue by 2028.


Yes, genius...

Kosovo referendum - gooooooooooooood!

Crimean referendum - baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!

Right?