Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 17

Good.

Memo to Polaks:

Feel lucky I am not the president. I wouldn't let one American die for you, azholes...

@cms neuf
Aparently you only read one news source about once a week. It is widely reported in the western press the last few days that Russia is advancing on every front. But who cares about the facts when they dont fit the narrative.

Meanwhile Z's latest push for NATO membership is a drowning man grasping at razor blades. Saying he wants an invitation next week is simply moronic. All this while Blinken is ramping up weapons shipments to Ukraine so as many men as possible can be killed before the war is ended.

...his own posts on PF.

I googled Pokrovsk and hit the News option

The NNs are still 7km outside the city.

@cms neuf
And the other cities they have captured over the last month mean zero? Or the ground they have taken back in Kursk, 40% of that which Ukraine originally gained? ISW maps and news say Russia is advancing everywhere. I trust those sources over any others.

What other cities ? Name any top 50 Ukrainian town they have captured in the last 6 months

They are moving at a few centimeters a week

Quite.

And given that their losses are around 2000 orcs a day, those few centimetres are 10,000 lost young men.

All the bluster from r^SSian propagandists can't hide the cold hard fact that r*SSia is fùcked.

I'm in Istanbul at the moment. A year ago, even a few months ago, the nice restaurants where we're staying (Ataköy Marina) were full of high spending orcs. Not now. You don't even see them
In the cheaper places, just wandering in the streets spending nothing.

Their currency has tanked, domestic vodka sales are up 50% and they've killed a generation of young men in a country which is already in a demographic tailspin.

you're russian... you have no earthly conception of what civil liberties ever are.....

you have no idea what citizenship is

you have no idea what human dignity is..

none of those are valued in russia to any appreciable scale and in the west, only people who detest western values support russia (I've yet to find a single exception).

@cms neuf
Top 50 city? You're kidding right? Is that by pre war or war time measurement? Is it my personal top 50 that I like? I prefer to stick with the experts.

But since many here consider Z an expert, he just gave an interview to a Japanese outlet and said Ukraine can not physically take back all of the land. Reported here kyivindependent.com/zelensky-liberate-territories/ So if Z says this, then isnt it time for all to believe it, stop the killing and negotiate? Amyone saying no needs their head examined.

Prigozhin negotiated with the Kremlin..... how did that work out for him?

russia and Ukraine have already negotiated 20 ceasefire agreements since 2014 and russia violated every single one (usually before the ink was dry).

They say insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. How is negotiatin on russia's terms not just following the failures of the past?

@PolAm

...did you look at an actual map? Yeah, the russian troops are marching but, seriously....it's still only a quite tiny part of Ukraine. It's really a big country and Kiev is still so far away for the Kreml!

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@Bratwurst Boy
They have more than 20% of the country now. At the peak of invasion they had 25%, so they have clawed back quite a bit. The only thing Russia has not taken back is Kharkiv, but they are gaining ground heading that way. I am looking at all ISW maps. understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-december-1-2024

The one map the Kyiv Post uses, does not tell an accurate story.

@PolAmKrakow

What you don't seem to understand is that Ukraine is dealing with an enemy who does not just seek its' territory but its' utter destruction as an independent state. Any ceasefire would only be temporary, Moscow will attack them again if the Russians see an opportunity. Ukraine's only chance at avoiding this is a) being part an alliance that can deter Russia or b) extracting such a high price from Russia in this war that they won't come back again.

Ukraine is making the Russians bleed for every meter they take. Putin is now hideously throwing away the lifes of his soldiers even by Russian standards, because he wants results until January 2025. The Russian army as a whole has not recovered from its' anno horribilis 2022, while Ukraine is still receiving aid from Western countries. Under those circumstances, it makes sense to continue fighting and lose a few more villages. Because the consequences to a ceasefire at the current front (for which btw. Putin has never shown any indication that he would accept) would be facing a renewed Russian army possibly without Western aid in a few years.

Hey, genius, please enlighten us what those are...

Bobko doesn't need a lawyer so my advice for you is select your targets more carefully, azhole...

If you want to blame Bobko for something it should be for posting what makes me come back here first thing in the morning.

Russians bled in Stalingrad, too.

Later, to my disappointment, they didn't kill you all and level Berlin the way you, morons, did Warsaw.

So if I were you, I would not give Russians any advice as they are trying to liberate their country from your ex-friends. In fact, my advice to you is to STFU.

Stalingrad was their own country. Completely different to their current invasion of peaceful neighbors.

And yes I know you are one of about 5 people on the planet who believes Pokrovsk is an integral part of North Nigeria

No, I don't believe Pokrovsk is part of North Nigeria.

@Tacitus
I understand better than many. I have a Ukrainian employee who went through a filtration camp and has been stuck in Russia since the early part of 2022. The only reason he is alive is because his wife is Russian. I speak to both of them regularly and they have their own real life views on the whole political game. Russia wants Ukraine back in the fold. Obvious for historical reasons as to why, and more obvious as to why Vlad has his delusions of grandure concerning the USSR.

Ukraine women are marrying up all over the world. Ukraine men are dying. Who TF is going to rebuild and repopulate Ukraine? People who have lived the good life for a few years with nothing to go back to? Ukraine is fighting for ghosts and memories in many regards.

Let them worry about that. You don't need to.

Letting r*SSia get their way will be far more costly in the long run that dealing with them now

That's exactly what I said when the first U refugee crossed the Polish border. They are never going back...And that Poland is now a bilingual country.

Of course where feeeelings meet logic, feeeelings always win.

The idea that by allowing U women and kids in, Poland prolonged the war and caused thousands of Ukrainian deaths is rejected as cold-blooded and inhumane.

A quick test: What is more valuable in any society? A three-year-old kid or 23-year-old man?

@Novichok


Ukrainians as well. Which explains why the Russian army is performing so poorly. They can no longer use Ukrainians and people from Belarus and the Baltic States.
And it also explains why the Ukrainians are able to fight on against such odds. They know how to suffer and fight.

@PolAmKrakow


Those who do will at least have some hope that their efforts won't be undone within a few years.

It is not, it is at most a country where Ukrainians speak Polish with a Ukrainian accent.

Did it ever occur to you that the "SMO" is not an all-out war - the kind the Aliies waged against Germany?

Do you really think that Russian army is not capable of giving Z another Dresden?

Can you allow that Russia is able to do that but doesn't want to for any number of reasons?

Except for BB, is every other German as dense as you?

it's absorbing 40 percent of the North Nigerian budget and that they are getting tanks and artillery out of museums

I don't think they are treating it like a pre season tour

No they couldn't turn Kiev into Dresden because that would mean getting their rusty crap airplanes out of hangars, wondering where all the money for spare parts really went and then finding pilots sober enough to fly them (and I imagine a good few would take L4 rather than fly off to certain death)

Military analyst Sean Bell says...

"What we do know is that Ukraine is being pushed back on the frontline, its military is running short of ammunition and weapons, and the rising number of casualties is making it increasingly difficult to withstand the highly attritional Russian onslaught."

@Tacitus
Its over. It is only a matter of weeks now. Z is caving in on his positions. Ukraine knows it cannot continue to fight like it has. Russia will outlast them, and its just that simple. Smart people are trying to save lives, not ammunition manufacturing jobs.

@Novichok
Poland is far from bilingual. Most Poles stay away from Ukraine people. Ukraine people from my experience are not trying to assimilate into Polish society and culture. They are opening Ukraine centered business, and celebrating it no different than the Kababstan immigrants do with their Kabab stands. If they were blending in it would be one thing, but most are not. The smart younger women are marrying up and having Polish babies. There are entire sections of neighborhoods now really just Ukranian.

Sean Bell also says that Ukraine must inflict maximum pain on r*SSia...


What rubbish.

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A matter of weeks ? LOL

I bet that on Christmas Day the NNs have not captured Pokrovsk or nowhere else big enough to have a sit-down bus station

@cms neuf
This war is ending. How much do you want to lose? Christmas day? Lets see how far this thing goes by the end of January. And if you really want to bet, you need to identify yourself and have proof of funds because i am not betting some bull$hit like a hundred bucks. If we are betting I want you to feel the pain of losing and I will donate the money to charity.

That`s normal with all adult expats. Are you trying to assimilate?? Of course not - you are still an Am torn between the US and Poland. Your kids if you have any here will be more integrated.


Now you are pulling our legs. It is impossible in Polish conditions. We are not Germany or Sweden yet. :):):)

Do not overestimate Trump`s leverage on the situation. :):):) It will take a little longer than that.