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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 16


OP Novichok  5 | 8543
18 Nov 2024   #571
....probably

That "probably" is the most important word in your post.

I trust the FSB and their ability to silence Russia's enemies in a less spectacular way than pushing them off balconies.

As a reminder, Navalny went to your country for treatment while out awaiting trial. Do you know who and how made this trip possible?
OP Novichok  5 | 8543
18 Nov 2024   #572
Quoting RT:

According to Medvedev, who serves as deputy chair of the Russian Security Council, military aid to Kiev has allowed the US to make billions for its military-industrial complex.

Moreover, the sanctions against Moscow pitched by Washington and introduced by the majority of its Western partners have raised US profits from exports, as they effectively eliminated Russia as a rival supplier.

Medvedev noted that from July 2023 to June 2024, oil supplies from the US to Europe had doubled, LNG shipments nearly tripled, and exports of fertilizers "went from near zero to 666,000 tons."


Oh...no! So it's not about "freedom and democracy"??? I am so glad that I lost my passport and couldn't go to U to fight R. It would give me such a pleasure to come back home without legs or hands but with that warm feeling of being virtuous. Nothing more important to me than F&D in Ukraine.

What is the correct spelling of useful idiots in Ukrainian? корисні ідіоти? Or stupid Polaks?
Velund  1 | 507
18 Nov 2024   #573
on painkillers ... he went out to smoke onto "a very narrow balcony" and fell

I can connect the points and name the drug he was on (with 90+% probability). It was one of Ketorolac containing drugs (Ketanov, Ketoral, Ketonal, etc, etc).

I know at least two people who lost consciousnes after starting to smoke while using this drug, and one of them even fall from the stairway and broke ribs.

PS: I use this drug sometimes as well, it is even more powerful than morphine as a painkiller, without narcotics side effects.
OP Novichok  5 | 8543
18 Nov 2024   #574
I can connect the points and name the drug he was on (with 90+% probability).

It doesn't matter if a guy is three times legal limit drunk. Anyone who falls from high elevation in Russia must, by definition, be FSB's target...

Any attempt to prove this claim false is a cover-up by an org even more sinister...

BTW, I forgot to thank the FSB for alerting the FBI about the two brothers who immigrated to the US and were so grateful for our generosity that they decided to bomb Boston.

For this...I love you, FSB guys...
OP Novichok  5 | 8543
18 Nov 2024   #575

Velund, is this what really took place?
OP Novichok  5 | 8543
18 Nov 2024   #576
Quoting RT:

Biden approves Ukrainian strikes deep inside Russia with US missiles - NYT
The reported decision by the outgoing American president would signify a major policy change


Any azhole here who believes this crap is a first-class moron. We wouldn't let this fossil near a microphone or three-step stairs but would let him start a direct war with Russia.

You are stupider than I thought...
cms neuf  1 | 1920
18 Nov 2024   #577
North Nigeria as a rival supplier ?

Of raw materials of course

Of anything manufactured ? Well there are some decent wristwatches and amateur **** but what else ?
PolAmKrakow  2 | 1040
18 Nov 2024   #578
As Biden and the democrats set Europe up for another escalation of the war, all the PF war mongers refuse to see how dangerous this is becoming. One bad missile strike from Ukraine and Vlad will flatten a city. There is two months now where things can escalate quickly and all the dumb fvckers who are calling for more missiles clearly either drink too much during the day, are so old they are ready to die, or just dont GAF about anything other than their opinions.

Quoting RT:

According to Medvedev, who serves as deputy chair of the Russian Security Council, military aid to Kiev has allowed the US to make billions for its military-industrial complex.

Stop pointing out the truths of things to people who dont care about the truth. Its so much better to talk about democracy and idealist values.
cms neuf  1 | 1920
18 Nov 2024   #579
Putler can't flatten a Ukrainian city as easily as you think - Ukraine has better air defense than NN.

Got to say the meltdown of NN trolls since this announcement is the best thing to happen since the mushroom season finished

Nothing idealistic about democracy - it's been around for 250 years and its the reason why Poland and Lithuania are richer, healthier and happier than North Nigeria and Belarus. No wonder Ukraine wants democracy too
mafketis  38 | 11109
18 Nov 2024   #580
set Europe up for another escalation of the war

Scholz set Europe up for escalation by breaking ranks and begging putin on the phone to be nice....

Meanwhile somehow talk of norkorea (another member of the New Axis*) sending up to 100,000 soldiers to attack a European country is not.... escalation?

*haven't come up with a better name for the russia-china-iran-northkorea alliance operating in two fronts on two continents while halfwits dither about the dangers of 'escalation'
jon357  73 | 23224
18 Nov 2024   #581
Got to say the meltdown of NN trolls since this announcement is the best thing to happen since the mushroom season finished

Nice to watch, like a bully crying victim.

Meanwhile somehow talk of norkorea (another member of the New Axis*) sending up to 100,000 soldiers to attack a European country is not.... escalation?

It was of course escalation when they became a party to the war in the first place. But of course according to r*SSia sympathers, only r*SSia can escalate anything.
mafketis  38 | 11109
18 Nov 2024   #582
Biden and the democrats set Europe up for another escalation of the war,

Calm down, Ivan, apparently it only applies to Kursk. The Biden administration remains almost as committed to russian victory as you are.
PolAmKrakow  2 | 1040
18 Nov 2024   #583
@cms neuf
Democracy is a lot more new to Europe than it is to the US. Democracy here is still in a very early stage in many ways. While democracy in the US just experienced its great re-awakening, and will now go back to its roots. Lets see how Europe follows. Its not democracy that has lead to Europes growth, its called capitalism. A dirty word to some here, but the truth just the same.

@mafketis
Scholz didnt set Europe up for anything other than being seen as smart and practical knowing that once January 20th comes, Europe and Ukraine will be married together while the flood of dollars is closed off. Of course you dont care because its not your money. Such is the way with all far left groups of people.

Thinking Vlad might not just flatten a Ukraine city to make a point is not recognizing that Biden just said fvck you to him when that mental midget is leaving office. This was done purposefully to make a bigger mess of things for Trump. Now, when Trump was probably going to slowly cut off Ukraine, he could cut them off completely and revoke all of Bidens orders on missile use. Biden not only said fvck you to Vlad, but he said it to Z by essentially leaving him completely at Trumps mercy. Or maybe a nuke in that valuable farm land and no one gets hurt, but the land cant be used for the next century? You dont taunt someone who isnt scared, and has nothing to lose. What is the west going to do? Sanction Russia? Yeah, that worked. Right Karen?
mafketis  38 | 11109
18 Nov 2024   #584
Thinking Vlad

On first name basis already! Your post reads like you're working through a bunch of cognitive dissonance.... you're obviously believe a lot of russian rhetoric and it leaves you terrified. Poland is no place to live if that's the case....
jon357  73 | 23224
18 Nov 2024   #585
Such is the way with all far left groups of people.

What a rant, and normal with an out of control individual of poor character.

It isn't up to trumpet, nothing will change overnight when he sadly takes office for the last time and no parties involved are "far left" unless you count r*SSia's allyNorth Korea.
cms neuf  1 | 1920
18 Nov 2024   #586
It's difficult for capitalism to flourish without democracy and the rule of law. Capitalism is not a dirty word for me but I want to vote for the people who protect my capital.

France (and Poland and Britian) all developed democracies at the same time as the US and others like Belgium and Holland soon after. North Nigeria however had about 10 years before they realized it would stop them stealing and went back to having a Tsar with a gold toilet

And sanctions are working very nicely

Personally think this is a genius move by Biden. Makes all the ditherers like Scholz and Erdogun see with clarity the right and wrong of this war.
mafketis  38 | 11109
18 Nov 2024   #587
Trump was probably going to slowly cut off Ukraine,

No one knows what Trump is going to do (probably least of all Trump, policy is not his thing). A Ukrainian I know is sure that there's someone very pro-Ukrainian in his inner circle but it's not clear who it is.

The most likely scenario is that putin goes out of his way to humiliate Trump (because that's what he does*) and then Trump will either whimper away like a schoolgirl or rediscover his b@lls and then all bets are off.

*the big escalation right after Scholz's phone call was obviously meant to humiliate him though it's not clear if Scholz is smart enough to realize that....
Velund  1 | 507
18 Nov 2024   #588
It's difficult for capitalism to flourish without democracy and the rule of law.

Capitalism flourished perfectly under Franco's fascist dictature, without any democracy. ;) Under Pinochet dictature it flourished as well, with quite limited rule of law.
Atch  24 | 4368
18 Nov 2024   #589
Capitalism flourished perfectly under Franco's fascist dictature

It was already established prior to Franco and many of those who had been part of it remained in their positions after Franco took power thus it was able to continue flourishing.
johnny reb  48 | 8003
18 Nov 2024   #590
Thinking Vlad might not just flatten a Ukraine city to make a point

Or worse.....
Here are his main targets in the U.K.
Targets are set to include Central London, Edinburgh, Teesside, Leicester, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Hull, York, Dover, Cambridge, Maidstone, Huddersfield, Wolverhampton, Coventry, and Sheffield.
All gone in an instant - Poof !
cms neuf  1 | 1920
18 Nov 2024   #591
Has anyone told Putler that the UK and France have nukes too ?
johnny reb  48 | 8003
18 Nov 2024   #592
First strike would decimate those launch sites.
mafketis  38 | 11109
18 Nov 2024   #593
Capitalism flourished perfectly under Franco's fascist dictature,

Franco's dream was autarky, a stupid idea that always fails
cms neuf  1 | 1920
18 Nov 2024   #594
You think North Nigeria's fake ass ancient missiles will all work ? In fact they have a high chance of exploding while being launched and even the few that will work might not make it past air defenses
johnny reb  48 | 8003
18 Nov 2024   #595
might not

Those are the key words
Mr Grunwald  33 | 2138
18 Nov 2024   #596
@Velund
Economy and very favourly oriented business. Crony-capitalism which you seem to think of as Classic capitalism is not the same.

It can't be just from principle as dictatorship rarely originales from a peaceful transition of power.
jon357  73 | 23224
18 Nov 2024   #597
First strike would decimate those launch sites.

What "launch sites"?????
Bobko  28 | 2364
18 Nov 2024   #598
was already established prior to Franco

Capitalism has exactly zero to do with democracy.

If you want modern examples, look at the capitalist heavens of Singapore and Dubai. One was ruled by an iron fisted dictator, and the other by an absolutist monarchy.

Look at China and Vietnam - perhaps two of the most impressive economies in the world, outside of the United States.

Capitalism emerged at the end of the Middle Ages, from primitive merchant capitalism. It really took off in the Era of Exploration, where it became necessary to pool vast amounts of capital to fuel exploration beyond the horizon.

It was given its modern name and definition by Karl Marx, a one time citizen of an absolute monarchy, through observation of what he saw around himself.

Being rich has nothing to do with being free, and vice versa.

Of course it is nice to be free, but it's not necessary.
Atch  24 | 4368
18 Nov 2024   #599
Capitalism emerged at the end of the Middle Ages, from primitive merchant capitalism

Oh come on, the merchant classes have existed for a lot longer than that in different cultures. The simple act of buying and selling goods and services for a profit has been around ever since we invented currency of various kinds. Trading of course pre-dates 'money'.

But the kind of capitalism you're talking about had its birth with the Italian Renaissance and the banking system. That's what capitalism is truly about.

China, Vietnam, the USA?? I wouldn't want to live in any of them.
it is nice to be free, but it's not necessary.

Spoken like a true Russian serf.
Bobko  28 | 2364
18 Nov 2024   #600
But the kind of capitalism you're talking about

What is capitalism?

The two basic requirements for capitalism is that the means of production are privately owned, and that you can keep some meaningful part of the profit for yourself.

Why would a Florentine Prince, or some Duke of Lancaster, not terribly mind respecting such an arrangement?

Why would they direct their courts to protect the property interests of these persons? Why would they impress upon their gendarmes that these people must not be abused?

Because they had so much respect for their human dignity? Because they believed in their heart of hearts that man must be free? Lol.

These things you think are intrinsic to democracy... like independent institutions, a system of checks and balances, and so on and so forth do not have the genesis you think they do, and they serve not those purposes which you think they serve.

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