Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 16

Novi called this war exactly for what it is, probably two weeks after it started. He's been amazingly consistent since.

If Novi can see something, how come Biden, Scholz and Macron cannot see the same?

I stand corrected. He deserves a medal of some sort. Do you have something fitting in Moscow?
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By the way, have you noticed? there is a trend emerging in the West trying to push Poland into this war?

I wouldn't blame them for that.....you know how it goes: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend!"

Your Minister of Defense with a complex last name said this last week. But he said it was not the West, but Zelensky who is trying to pull Poland into the war.

I think this is fully logical behavior for Zelensky. In Zelensky's position I would do the same.

It's not useful to involve Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Also, America would probably forbid them from joining to avoid a risk of escalation with Russia for little return.

Involving Poland is a different question, however, because Poland may actually have the capacity to produce meaningful results in the field.

Poland could become responsible for patrolling West Ukrainian skies against Russian long range attacks.

Poland could secure the Ukrainian borders with Belarus, Moldova, Hungary, and Romania - freeing up Ukrainian soldiers for the front.

From a Russian perspective, this would still be interpreted as Poland entering the war on the side of Ukraine.

I don't think America wants Poland to fight in Ukraine. Maybe Britain would like to see that, or France.

I knew YOU wouldn't lol!
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Oh he was trying it for some time there is nothing new here.
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let's see what Trump is up to.

What Novi sees is inevitable North Nigerian victory, which ignores the fact they have been stuck in the mud in old tanks for 3 years, drunk out their minds.

Why did GK leave ?

.....I guess there will be some line on the map which will be agreed to by all sides in the end, but surely observed by so called international peace keepers, which will of course involve european troops...

*puts down a dime on the betting table*

Some of the recent statements from Zelensky leave me convinced that he hates Poland.

From the other side, what Sikorsky and Kosiniak-Kamysz say, also makes me think there is not much love left for Ukraine.

As a Russian - it's magical to observe.

We did not strike one finger against the other, to bring about this situation. This is all your work dear friends.

With grain embargo's, with delayed weapon transfers, with refugee benefits cut...

In Russia we say - where there are two Poles there are three opinions. Where there are two Ukrainians - there are three voyevodas.

It's so comically easy to get you two to fight.

The only two smart people in this whole situation are Viktor Orban and Robert Fico.

Where is the Polish Orban or Fico?

The Chinese are also smart, together with the Indians.

Everyone else, including us, is a retard.

This is the greatest mystery to me...
Incremantally, what is the upside to the US in allowing the Baltics, for example, to join NATO?

If Russia took them back, would the US start a big one with Russia? Really?

If the US took Cuba, would Russia go to war with the US?

This is why before the invasion in 2022, people like Macron were saying that "NATO is brain dead".

Our little Russian adventure has given NATO new meaning, but likely only temporarily (with trump's election, we suddenly hear a lot less irritating noises from the Baltic direction. Hopefully soon they will shut their mouths once and for all).

The answer to your question is that there is absolutely no incremental benefit. All the dividends accrue to the new members, at the expense of the old members' relationship with Russia and their own future security.

By inviting all these losers under your umbrella, you do not gain but lose security.

Whereas in your view, these countries don't deserve any protection and North Nigeria should have a free hand to subjugate them ?

As is my habit to never ask a question I don't know the answer to, your answer is what I expected.
The only thing I would add to it is again what I said in the past...US MICC loves every new member and the money that will be stolen from US taxpayers...

This is a rare moment when Russia's and US taxpayers' interests overlap. We both hate NATO as useless to the US and a threat to Russia.

Please win this one to expose the above as undeniable facts.

This was not the question.

The question was simple - what incremental benefit accrues to existing members.

By this criteria - NATO is an abominable failure. Between 1991 and 2022 it made life for French, Americans, and Brits more dangerous - than it was before they brought a bunch of freeloaders on board.

Even you cannot argue this.

For those that joined it was of course wonderful.

...erm....not really....

First:
Americans' opinions of NATO

Americans continue to hold a largely favorable view of NATO, with a majority expressing a positive opinion of the alliance. However, ratings have dipped slightly over the past year, driven largely by declining favorability among Republicans and Republican-leaning independents.

About two-thirds of U.S. adults see a benefit to NATO membership, but fewer say this today than in 2022. This change has also largely occurred among Republicans.

The share of Americans who believe the alliance's influence is getting stronger dropped 11 percentage points over the past two years, with similar declines among both Democrats and Republicans.

Those who have more knowledge of NATO are more inclined to see the organization favorably.

This is a poll from May this year....so quite actual, actually!

pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/08/americans-opinions-of-nato/

The other point is that you keep presenting Russia as the winner here....but who has forgotten the actual promise made by Putin two years back: "In 6 weeks in Kiev"...

And of course Zelensky will put up demands to agree to the future new border....and he will get stuff from the West otherwise impossible before...be it EU membership, inclusive gazillions of support-money, or even long lasting stationing of western "peace keepers", if not an actual NATO membership....all stuff unthinkable before for Ukraine!

Ah the Finland Argument!!!

Finland won, because it did not die completely. Right? lol!

Finland gave us their second largest city. Finland handed over territories that accounted for more than half of pre-war Finnish GDP. Finland swore to us not to enter NATO, and bought our weapons for 60 years. Finland is afraid to even fart at the wrong frequency in Russia's direction.

But of course Finland won.

Now Ukraine will win, just like Finland won.

If this makes it easier to manage your mental illness, it is your right to do so.

Russia takes what it needs, when it needs. No consent necessary.

They need North Koreans to help them out by now....who knows where Russia will end. Ask a German! :)

I think Zelensky would be incredibly happy to receive even 3,000 soldiers from France or Germany.

We got 12,000 Koreans in our first batch. More are being trained. 12,000 is the size of many European armies' ground forces e component.

Too bad Zelensky's friends are a bunch of pussies, while our friends are hardened f*ckers.

Na ja....to be honest....our Bundeswehr is no Wehrmacht.....better with Panzers and money, for sure....


You surely mean "hungry" f*uckers! :)

Their average age is 18-23. Exponentially more fit than the 45 year old mobilized Ukrainian.

No kids, no wife, no mortgage, and no conception of Western life in general.

I think a Korean soldier is worth quite a bit.

....but....it's not their land, not their Heimat!

Yes, apparently in russia they have for the first time in their lives access to the internet and watch sex all the time.

The last time Korean soldiers fought in Russia, one of them came back and founded a family dynasty.

These Koreans will be covered in laurels when returning home. They will be heroes. They will be the elite of North Korean society for decades to come.

We give the Koreans a chance to display their war fighting ability. They sent us their best (read Western MSM articles on this). They fight as much for their name as they fight for Russia.

Everybody is watching very closely how they will do. Their prestige is on the line.

I mean you are right to say that - : If presented with two options - you can always trust the Ukrainians to choose the most self-destructive one.:
Given the reality and Poland's policy, Ukrainian leadership is indeed chock full of morons. I had a delusion about their political ability in 2023, but not anymore.
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Not in charge. Instead we have some sad morons. I guess you are lucky ~I'm not in charge.
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Nothing wrong with it - it is called freedom.

They're frightened, malnourished and untrained conscripts, rather like the orcs who are dying at a rate of 2000 a day.

Indeed especially Chinese lol! They are your true diehard friends, you need to prepare an ample gift from them ...hmm I dunno like Siberia.

As the frightened, well-nourished, and untrained Johnny Reb would say:

"All you can do is diminish and bully! Hoot!"

The North Koreans Dimi ish themselves, by starvation, generational labour camps, the death penalty and food riots.

Yes, coz I am harsh on Russophiles who could be allowed to function as such in normal times but in the current political situation they are trecherous renegades.
Simply speaking, yebać rusofilskie onuce!


As a Polish nationalist, you are also prone to ally with Russians against other patriotic Poles/Polesses. . Ha!!!

idiots like you are not patriotic but noisy.