Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2

I believe in genetics, I just don't think that a murder of a child is justified because someone draws a conclusion that it will grow up to be a rapist or a murderer because of its father's genes (raging nonsense).


With long time in prison for the first crime and with a death sentence for another - surely you can read and I already wrote it.


What about first two years? What about first two decades? It is not for a human to decide when another human's life starts and when he/she can be murdered.


Of course they should be prosecuted. Abortion providers with full force of the law, and in case of the raped woman her pain and trauma should be considered mitigating circumstances but there should be a trial for murder nonetheless.


Aaah, so here we are. I thought I was talking to a woman named Paulina but apparently I am talking to God Almighty who can decide whether somebody is or isn't a human being.


It's not about religion. Novichok isn't especially religious, is he? And still he is of the same opinion. You are either for life or for death, victory of love or victory of hatred, sacrifice or selfishness. It's about being a human being, not a walking alimentary tract.


Oh, yes - so let's kill them. For crying out loud... :-/


There are many couples waiting for the opportunity to adopt a child (especially a newborn or a toddler). Imagine how they feel hearing of the abortion tourism and women travelling to neighbouring countries to kill their children instead of giving them for adoption.

You are using religion as a crutch for your argument.
Maybe try Christian civilized morality rather than heathen immorality instead for your word choices.
That cluster of cells after eight weeks is called a human being

I thought you may like to have my latest picture for your collection. :-)

Don't have to adopt them to show them love.
People get paid a big money wage here in the U.S. to adopt with all the child's expenses covered from 100% free healthcare to 100% free education not costing the loving parents a dime.
It could be very rewarding for some lonesome single woman without children that hates men.

It might be if the situation overwhelmes her.


And imagine how a women is feeling carrying the child of her abuser, is asked questions about the situation, has to go to medical appointments and carry the pregnancy risk...

Yes, they especially want children who are made by rape or have other disabilities. 🙉

Most women don't say it out loud, but the lifelong trauma and pain comes from having an abortion. I know someone who accidentally killed her own dog when she leaned over a heavy fence that broke and fell on the dog. Seeing that the dog cries, bleeds, and suffers, she took a big stone and crashed his head to stop suffering. Even years later, she still remembers that moment with tears in her eyes. Imagine what a woman who ended the life of her own child must go through.

But it was she who made this decision, not someone else. And there might be someone who would say that a dog, even with half a head, is a creature of God and has the right to continue living until it dies.

My point was that women who are eager to get an abortion might not realize its severe and lifelong emotional consequences.

In my opinion, giving birth to an unwanted child and placing him or her for adoption would be a much better choice. This way, it would also make a family who wants the child happy - a win-win for everyone involved. When a woman chooses to abort her child, it becomes a lose-lose situation for all parties.

Oh... it MIGHT ... IF...

Yes, this 'might' and 'if' convinced me - the child should be murdered.


Oh, yes... FEELINGS... QUESTIONS...

Yes, these 'feelings' and 'questions' convinced me - the child should be murdered.

Do you even think before you write or do you just type whatever words happen to form in your brain at a given moment? FFS...


Yes, those couples are willing to adopt even children conceived (not made, you half-wit) in a rape, and it's not a disability.

You people are not normal. Something is wrong with your hearts and souls... something very wrong.


Exactly.

It's definitely not easy to recover from the trauma of being raped but it takes a special kind of idiocy to try and "solve" the problem by adding another trauma of murdering your own child on top of it. Mind boggles.

Early abortion these days means swallowing a pill. Only the doctor and his patient know about it. This is certainly less stressful than giving birth to an unwanted child. Furthermore, a woman can later have a desired child as a firstborn. Everything else is medieval thinking full of superstition.

And the patient has to live with the realization she took the pill to end life. It's like killing someone, even accidentally, during a car accident or a soldier killing another soldier during a war. Guess why there are so many suicides, alcoholics, and drug addicts among war veterans. The bottom line is - a woman cannot kill her conscience after abortion.

I would end this sentence with a question mark, hoping that some woman would answer it.

I cannot speak for women, but I don't believe their conscience is any different from that of men. If I were to kill someone - even in a situation like defending my life during an armed robbery - I would pray for that person and their family for the rest of my life, and I would continually ask God for forgiveness.

Cut the crap about that rape...Women use rape as a justification for abortion on demand any time.

Here is the test: How many women would hit the streets to object to a law that allows abortion without limits? Try zero.

Since women lie all the time, "rape" can be anything...including a one-nigt drunken fvck...and "oh, shlt, what have I done..." the morning after.

Rape is a crime that must be reported as soon as she is free to report... or it's no rape...

If the woman doesn't report rape, she is morally guilty of aiding and abeting the next one by the sob.

It seems you missed that part where I wrote that not all people are religious. There are people who don't believe in God Almighty.

But if you want to talk religion then... the Bible doesn't prohibit anywhere an intentional abortion performed by the mother or on her request.

Another thing... For example, Rabbinic Judaism doesn't consider a fetus a full human being (a quote from Wikipedia):

"In the reading of Biblical homicide laws, rabbinic sages argue that homicide concerns an animate human being (nefesh adam from Lev. 24:17) alone, not an embryo... because the embryo is not a person (lav nefesh hu)."


No, the decision should be made by the rape victim. Just like your wife women usually think about those things beforehand. How they would handle the rape, how they would handle giving birth to the rapist's child. Those women who can't handle it should be allowed to get an abortion.


Maybe you should ask the Rabbinical Assembly Committee this question then lol: 🤦

"The Rabbinical Assembly Committee on Jewish Law and Standards has ruled that an abortion is justifiable if a continuation of pregnancy might cause the woman severe physical or psychological harm, or if the fetus is judged by competent medical opinion as severely defective"

(Source: Wikipedia)

So, as you can see even among religious people there are different opinions on this matter.


The mind boggles that you can't comprehend that there are women who would suffer a greater trauma from being forced to give birth to a rapists' child than after terminating a few days pregnancy o_O

Poor, naive Ron...

Start with biology of procreation...Women need shelter, food, and security. Those can be provided only by men. If he is tall, dark, handsome, that's a bonus, but not a critical necessity.

Men need respect and femininity, not a copy of him - a tough go-getter climbing corporate ladder...This is why marriage rates are dropping everywhere and why career women hit the wall at 35.

Bottom line for you, Ron:

He: Man, is she gorgeous...

She: I wonder how much he makes...

See the difference? BTW, there is nothing wrong with it...Show me your cave and I will show my breasts, said Eve to Adam...

I know - the Bible speaks about such people: "The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."" (Ps 53).


It also doesn't prohibit using 155mm artillery ammunition to shell civilian buildings nor the use of atomic weapons. It does, however, prohibit murder.


... and - although it may shock you - it isn't the only thing that rabbinic Judaism gets wrong. :)

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Anyways, I can see that arguing with people who think that crime of the father justifies murdering the baby, or that the mother's psychological well-being or feelings (or questions that she may be asked!) also justify the murder of the child, makes no sense at all. They are so brainwashed by the hedonistic civilisation of death that logic, common sense and ordinary human decency is totally wasted on them.

The only consolation is that most of them don't have children, so sooner or later they will all collect their well deserved Darwin Awards by dying childless and not passing on their anti-values to the next generation. How wise is our God! :)

Is a 40-year-old person in a coma and on life support a full human being?

There is no such thing as "not a full human being" because there is no legal definition of it. What Wikipedia says means shlt.

Inside a pregnant women is a "live human being" - not half or quarter.


Arguing from the Bible leads nowhere. Neither is it necessary...

The Bible is the result of our sense of what is right and what is wrong and precedes the Bible. The fear of dying is wired into every living creature, Bible or no Bible...

If there's no absolute morality outside of humans and society, there is really no point arguing or condemning a woman who wants to do abortion because her sense of what's right and wrong is different from another woman. Just like there's no point blaming a rapist whose moral senses may be underdeveloped as compared to a non rapist.

Hey, if Paulina can argue from some "Rabbinical Assembly Committee", then I can argue from the Bible. :)

You're right - religion is not necessary in this argument. Common, ordinary human decency should be enough.

But Ron has a very good point there - every morality and every moral law must have its source in God (or at least in something outside itself) or it is ultimately worthless.

Any person may want anything. The rest of us are not required to deliver.

A woman may want an abortion. I want a red Corvette. Nobody is obligated to deliver either.


Exactly. Even Neanderthals knew the difference between life and death - which is where abortion discussions start and end.

Elephans are sad when they see one of them dead. God and the Bible are not taught in elephant schools. It's wired in...

When a woman is raped by "a transgender woman", who committed the rape...a woman or a man?

This is why I intensely dislike women. They are either cowards or liars...

It's been an hour since I asked a simple, binary question even trans idiots can answer...

What do I get? Silence...because that question is fundamental to the trans debate...and a nailer...

I know few women that had it (PRL times women) and no, I didn't notice any trauma.


That's something that many people taking the anti abortion stance don't understand. It's not that we want the women to have an abortion. We want them to have that choice if needed.


Because you are an idiot we tend to ignore

The fetus is undoubtedly a biological member of the human species carrying a unique human genetic code from the moment of conception.
The term fetus refers to the stage of development in humans from eight weeks after fertilization until birth.
Prior to that it is called an embryo.
Killing a living developing human being is murder any way you slice it.

Murder is not a choice nor is it ethical.

BS. You ignore me selectively to avoid answering inconvenient questions. Just like right now...

Every time a crime is committed, relevant data is entered into statistics - with genders of the victim and the perp as number one. "A man, 35, raped a women, 25, at 10 pm in Warsaw.".

So, when a woman is raped by "a transgender woman", who committed the rape...a woman or a man?

And a pathological liar at that.


Says who? You? lol So you're the God Almighty now? :)))


It is - that's an ethical choice doctors have to make every time a pregnant woman's life is in danger due to pregnancy. If terminating pregnancy (aka "murdering the unborn baby") is the only way to save the woman's life doctors are obligated by the law to save the woman. This is also the society's general expectation. The pregnant woman's life is considered more important than that of an unborn baby.


And yet on this very page you wrote that you are in favour of death penalty for a second time rapist.

Since I was a kid I was raised in this Christian conviction that all human life is sacred and a human has no right to decide who deserves to live or die. Only God can decide about this.

And yet it's usually right-wing, conservative, supposedly religious Catholics (usually men from what I've noticed) who are in favour of death penalty. Even though the Catholic Church is against it. Make it make sense...

You're hypocrites.

Cute...

Because 0.1% pregnancies pose danger, let's allow abortion with no limits. Right?


Left-wingers don't mind killing a baby that is ready to come out, but God forbid executing an SOB who murdered 10.

That's how perverted leftists and Euros are...These morons would spare Hitler today. Luckily, neither the Americans nor the Soviets asked these pussyfied azzholes for advice at Nuremburg.

When a woman is raped by "a transgender woman", who committed the rape...a woman or a man?

It's unfortunate to quote Jews as they literally killed God and don't believe in the Christian teachings. For the record, I'm against death penalty, even for recidivists.

The death penalty is not a deity you can believe or not.

The dp is a legal way to make 100% sure that X will never again murder another human being.

NOTHING is as effective in this respect.

If you know a better way, please let me know what it is...One condition: Not a word about God, Jesus, or religion...

While I have your attention...

When a woman is raped by "a transgender woman", who committed the rape...a woman or a man?

So is a lifelong sentence without the possibility of parole. Killing a criminal won't undo the damage and one can argue that living in a cell for the rest of his life brings more pain than getting executed. There is a reason why suicidal people choose to jump from a 6-story building rather than a 3-story building because that is the quick way of ending their suffering; jumping from a 3-story building would most likely result in them living in constant physical pain for the rest of their lives, possibly on a wheelchair.


My mind cannot answer that because to me there is no such thing as a transgender man or woman. But if you mean that an individual used his own penis to rape a woman, then it was a man; otherwise, a woman cannot rape another woman, at least using her own genitalia.