Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany?

Nobody bats an eye at demos in Berlin, where hooded people scream and hold banners with "From the river to the sea", which in effect means total annihilation/genocide/wiping off the map of Israel....so....I guess that is seen as acceptable!

For comparison...these AfD remarks are as dirty and mean Stammtisch-material as they come but nobody asks for annihilation of a muslim country....only less muslims in Germany!

Are those protests organized by a political party?

Which party is systematically using that kind of rhetoric against jews?

I wonder if they will ever find anything....

IMHO these dreams and visions of violent overthrowing of governments is more a "thing" for activists....for movements....for people who know they have otherwise no chance in hell to make their dreams come true otherwise.

The AfD has begun as a new party with tiny numbers and has gone the whole long hard way with wholly democratic means...meaning ground work from the bottom up....they just don't need to endanger all this progress and success now with violent visions...


It's always some members of the Linke (at least in Berlin) screaming loudest at these demos....

...For years, the slogan "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" has been heard at left-wing demonstrations.
Demanding a Palestine stretching from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea means nothing less than the annihilation of Israel: the end of the Jewish state....

tagesspiegel.de/gesellschaft/linker-judenhass-es-gibt-einen-grossen-unwillen-den-antisemitismus-in-den-eigenen-reihen-zu-erkennen-10592407.html

Well...

Chat group leak reveals far-right fantasies of Germany's AfD

Among tens of thousands of posts is talk of jailing Angela Merkel, calls for armed resistance, and homophobia

theguardian.com/world/2022/may/20/chat-group-leak-reveals-far-right-fantasies-of-germany-afd

Who knows what else is there.


Yeah, "some" members. Not the entire party leadership.

Look, I have no interest in defending the Left party. If you ask me it was a political tragedy that the SED survived the GDR. And I hope Wolfram Weimar will do something against the antisemitism in those "progressive" circles who call themselves artists.

But the case against the AfD is not built on the presence of some AfD members on demonstrations, so I don't see the comparison here.

Is that so! :) I guess you will find some nutters in EVERY party....


Exactly....imagine it would had been AfD members screaming such things at a demo....

Why does our gov treat them so differently? That all gives way to doubt our official institutions which have to be neutral!

Except of course you don't. Just opinions bordering on obsession about a culture you and almost nobody else understands.


Enough people already do, however economic imperialism will obviously do for now unless they continue use to deteriorate.


They really are chalk and cheese; there are several regions on the island which correspond closer to the Ruhr valley. As I say, never try to understand things that not outsider in history has succeeded in understanding.


We have that too. Those are largely just words from people who can do nothing, however the people with such banners do get prosecuted when it is feasible to do so. A healthy tradition of demonstrations is fine, as long as they're spontaneous rather than carefully planned and as long as society uses the full force of the law when laws are broken.


As I said earlier, fascists are like wolves in sheep's' clothing. They try to pass themselves off as reasonable, pretend their supporters have valid concerns or that there's some sort of existential risk to society (generally blaming migration or ethnic minorities) and when they get a sniff of power, they reveal their true face.

I'd worry about Hungary too; they're already meddling in Ukraine at Putler's behest and they're only a short drive or train ride into Germany with no real borders.

I'd be delighted if you could prove me wrong. Always funny to bring that up against a friend of mine who is a die-hard lefty, but really uncomfortable with some of the voices inside the party and their views on Israel.

Two regions that rose to prominence during the industrial revolution, became main hubs for the manufacturing industry and never fully recovered when those industries disappeared. Quite a lot of parralels there.

And to be honest, this comparison wasn't my idea. It was made by a fellow student at Durham university who came from Birmingham and who had spent some time in the Ruhe Valley. He said he feld a kinship there.


This is really the problem with populism isn't it? That you can not have reasonable discussions anymore because the other side simply ignores all evidence that contradicts their views.


There is an actual imperialist power in Europe waging a war against a peaceful country right now.

The Ukrainians are currently facing imperialism down and as a result want to join the EU.

Before 2015 and especially 2022 those defamations were just stupid. Now they are also making light of the kind of evil Ukraine is opposing.

And btw also an often-used argument to excuse Russian imperialism. Because after all, if the EU is imperialistic, why shouldn't Russia be allowed to do the same?

There are much better parallels. Your friend was probably being polite. It's worth remembering where the Industrial Revolution started in the 1750s.


The problem with populism is that so much of it is about subverting overly restrictive legal frameworks and rigid and unspontaneous cultural world views that lack a safety valve for the personal gain of its backers.


Economically, you and I both know that it is.

However you are being rather upierdliwy, and this discussion isn't moving forward the genuine concerns about the reemergence of fascism in Germany. A cynic or a sceptic would suggest that attempts at defection are present. So, what do you think about the attempts at interference in elections by that Musk character?

Go ahead...Make your case against the AfD - in your own words...No links, quotes, feelings, or adjectives, please...

Just numbers...GDP, migrants, unemployment, prices,...stuff like this...


Musk is not a character. He is a real person who decided, at a great loss to himself, to be an American patriot.

Tacitus does very much know what he's talking about when assessing the political landscape in his own country. And there's no reason he should agree to your silly demands about quotes. I disagree with his assessment of UK society and politics however when discussing internal German matters his views are sound and most important,y from someone there.


He's a vile character and a wannabe Bond Villain. The fascist salutes should give you a clue about his character.

Then he should be able to make his case for or against AfD - in his own words.


Go to any HS debate and see if they allow links and quotes as rebuttals. Only Western bootlicking cowards debate by proxies. "It's not me. It's him".

Look up "coward" and "plausible deniability". Also "seems" and "it appears"...

Why would anyone have to "make a case"?


What is that?

Could you please let him speak for himself?

If you are eager to join...here is a question for you...

When did the UK government ask UK voters - directly and in simple English - if they want more migrants?

If you fail to respond in good faith, I will take it as "Never".

While you are thinking, stay out of my conversation with PF Germans. They know English very well.

This from you? The discussion here moves sluggishly but effectively without your input.


There you go again. You are not in a position to make demands or set conditions.

The problems that Europe face have very little to do with immigration; it is simply a paper tiger that rules up the lowest common denominator.

I didn't input anything. I just asked a question.

Where did you find the word "demand"?


I didn't ask what problems Europe has.

I asked this:

When did the UK government ask UK voters - directly and in simple English - if they want more migrants?

They were asked about Brexit.

If you don't know, just say: I am too ignorant to answer that question.

In Berlin, I'm told by those I whom I know who live there, the
actual anti-Semites are NOT ethnic Germans on the whole,
but radicalized foreign-born Muslims!

It really is not, and since we are living in times when various countries like China, Russia and - as it sadly looks like - the USA are actually practicing economic (and more) imperialism, I think it is necessary to make that distinction. The EU is not supporting Ukraine because it wants to extract its' ressources and make uneven deals with them,


Many of them are, and they have become more noticeable in the last few years. But there plenty of anti-semites who aren't muslims or born in a different country. We have the typical far-rightwingers and also this weird alliance between some far-left wing groups and muslim extremists who sympathize with Hamas at some universities.


The guy himself is a joke, and I doubt i.e. his talk with Alice Weidel from the AfD has convinced anyone to vote for the party. But he can give other, more convincing and clever people a wide audience with his platform, and this can really become problematic.

That's a deflection or a misunderstanding. Economic imperialism is as you know different. It happens, and it's happening now. America thrives on it. The EU isn't a community of equal partners in that respect. The future is difficult and needs feeding carefully.


That is my feeling too. Him, Thiel and Cance are the danger.

I can't make out Sara Wagenecht. She reminds me of the 'trot' left in UK and Ireland. Sort of a horseshoe effect where far left and far right begin to touch.

Most decent Europeans would disagree.

...but the unradicalized Muslims love Jews?


Tel me that joke...I hope it's funny...


When did the UK government ask UK voters if they wanted more migrants?

Not sure what you mean by this. The EU offers smaller and poorer countries a shot at prosperity and equal treatment that they would otherwise never have. How any of that should qualify as "economic imperialism" is beyond. Hence so many of them are still trying to join the EU.


Yep, she pretty much defines it.


Well, are migrants responsible for the threat of Russia? Or climate change? Europe's declining birth rate and economic stagnation? Are they responsible for the trade war that Trump unleashed, or the rise of China? Only a few years ago we experienced a pandemic that had a far bigger impact on our lifes.

Yeah, migration may pose a challenge and pose problems, but it is not the root cause of our problems. Nor would those huge, primary threats to Europe suddenly disappear if migration dropped to 0 overnight.

Migration 0 would be the darkest phenomenon in Europe and it would only occur if Europe turned into North Korea or some russia.

Within a few generations population levels would plummet. In the short term there would have to be food rationing.


Well... there are always pluses and minuses, for every reaction there is an equal and opposite reaction.

One of the smartest people alive, a successful, innovative businessman, vs. PF warrior. My money are on Musk. Turkey 0 : Musk infinity

But you are not trying to suggest that Europe would greatly improve?

He inherited the money; his family own an emerald mine. Thiel was the brains behind PayPal, not him. Tesla has gone down the pan. Contracts with Space X are being cancelled; he lost 25 billion this week alone.

And of course he's tried to interfere in the politics of countries that have absolutely nothing to do with him like Germany and Britain.

Plus, those fascist salutes are just cúntish behaviour

No.

This human garbage is responsible for little native girls crying when they come home...

Mom, I don't understand what those darker kids are saying...and they are laughing at me...

Migrants are cancer and worse than Covid...These m-fers never leave and you can't kill them with drugs and radiation.

AR-15s work fine, though...and the walls. See Israel and Berlin.

Jon, there is at least one fascist in every corner of your conscience, jealousy and envy destroying you from inside .

Why can't I get an explanation to what is "extreme" in AfD?

All I get are deflections or silence.

Are you Germans (BB excluded) scared or stupid?