Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany?

No it isn't! Living standards are increasing steadily, despite Tory depredations and being outside that trading bloc has helped hugely in sourcing energy at a time of wartime instability.


And is growing again, after recovering from the failed attacks by Paris, Hamburg and Amsterdam. In fact the number of major companies trading in the LSE has increased and a couple of major ones have delisted elsewhere in the continent.


Again nonsense. It did weaken the ability of foreign companies to buy U.K. ones and has certainly weakened those companies (often state owned) from abroad who'd bid for and won infrastructure franchises but not delivered on the terms of those contracts.

Micron was literally begging for U.K. subsidy for the new reactors that the French bid to build at an unrealistic price with the intention of using EU structures to squeeze the real price later. That failed and the impact on EDF is such that energy costs in France are rising to pay for that.

They signed contracts with no intention of meeting them and now they're locked in.

Also we are nationalising buses, trains and steel in the public interest. That would not be possible were we still in that trading bloc.

This thread is however about the rise (reappearance?) of fascism in Germany. Not your delusions about trading blocs.

Well, we are talking about why people are voting for the AfD despite their obvious problems.

I pointed out that a similar movement is also gaining strength in the UK.

Some people just cling to their convictions and there is no arguing with them. That is the case in every country. I am sure there are specific examples of some buisness benefiting from Brexit, as shown in the link I provided, the overall picture is clearly negative. The City of London hasn't fared better either.

City of London chief says Brexit 'disaster' cost 40,000 finance jobs

uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/city-london-chief-says-brexit-082234030.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMFTaZr5njdVRWmfgSCAX3VeiL7jaQlgVNXH7dP5gEmtHyIpKD--Q5ghUuwk0cgNe_4KE3wtLdMLFjZCz6cX4OC5fdIlLpNZ6HABgDkvR_SEnKId9bhSASf8Y_OZ4nvYCHP1tq94WTD8z9eUgNpU96rB8a7c3VIUPzrrjt1K3ndV

And I dont even know where to begin with your weird ideas about nationalization. Trains are in many countries not in private hands and the EU has nonissue with it. So why bring it up? It wasn't the EU who forced the UK in all kinds of private-public partnerships and other weirdndeals.

Same thing trying to argue with AfD voters. You can bring up data and historical precent, but they don't care.

Did you know that Baghdad has more Christian churches than Częstochowa?

The same can be said about Cairo or Beirut. Go figure.

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Quite. And it's worth mentioning that more people attend Sunday Mass in India than in Poland.

quote=Tacitus]I pointed out that a similar movement is also gaining strength in the UK[/quote]
As mentioned, the electoral system there is a hedge against extreme parties, one reason that they did far less well in the locals than opinion polls suggest their support is and why they've barely got anybooliticdl offices.


Yes, you would do well to understand this, and to accept that the effect of leaving that trade bloc hasn't made anything worse and has in fact brought some advantages.


Nationalisation. It doesn't have a Z.

Not so weird. The Tories privatised ours and had we remained in the European Union, it wouldn't have been possible to renationalise them. Now it is, and this is happening at the moment. Nor would be possible to nationalise the steel industry.

Tell us about this "suffering" you ate trying to pretend has occurred? Who is "suffering" more than comparably sized economies and what lives is this "suffering" destroying?

True, but 38 million against 1.2 billion does skew it a bit.Maybe better to quote percentage of the population that attend Sunday Mass.Poland will win hands down!


It is not negative at all, quite the opposite.


Very true.


Yes, please tell us who is suffering.

As I've said before, Merz is between a rock and hard place (sitzt zwischen zwei Stuehlen). If he doesn't play both sides of the street,
he risks alienating his target base. On the other hand, if he kowtows solely to the left, he's cooked!

He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

An interesting short summary about the last 5 Brexit years (with charts) by the BBC

bbc.com/news/articles/cdrynjz1glpo

So it doesn't look to bad economically, but the main thing with many voters, the immigration problem, hasn't been solved at all....

But there really seems to be a point with having regained more freedom about which laws to follow and which programs to be part of (and to pay for).
As I read it some of the EU laws were even re-instated and EU-progams re-joined but after free picking and chosing....

Maybe the EU truly has and is been to unyielding with some national differences and wishes. Maybe because we really should go back to a true trading bloc + some possibilities for members to join or leave out if wished, not being so invasive into every members inner workings with these thousands of little laws and demands, punishing if disagreed....I dunno!

It was a brilliant decision to get out of the fascist EU gulag, close the borders, deport foreign scum, and make the UK whiter again.

Unfortunately, the good Brits forgot that they are in the clutches of the domestic woke scum that is unable to say no to the new arrivals of garbage people nobody wants.


= gulag.

Even if being free from the EU fascists in Brusells had a price, I would gladly pay it.

welt.de/politik/deutschland/article256076416/Mitten-in-Magdeburg-Syrer-schmiert-Hakenkreuz-Polizei-erwischt-ihn-mit-Spraydose.html

On Monday evening, a man from Syria spray-painted a swastika and slogan on an advertising column in the city center of Magdeburg. As police announced on Tuesday, a witness observed the 25-year-old, and officers from the state riot police were able to locate him near the crime scene shortly thereafter....

You gotta be kidding me! 🙄

I wonder if he was paid by r*SSians to do that?

Problems that politicians want are seldom solved by political means...

A major problem with democracy is that at times, the political establishment is united against the citizens. Migration is such an issue in western Europe where in most countries the political establishment wants it to continue and a large majority of citizens want it to stop.

This creates opportunities for both sincere populists and insincere demagogues... I don't know exactly where I'd place Farage... not as demagoguey as Le Pen or Orban but not great in lots of ways either.

I can accept anything if I see evidence that it is true.

The sources I provided you with clearly state the opposite. And they are not from the EU but the UK.


British people are poorer and lost jobs and other opportunities due to Brexit. As such they suffering the consequences of Brexit. You can be in denial about that, but it is what it is.

Journalism.

As you were told, although there aren't many benefits in leaving that trading bloc, there have been some and there have been no drawbacks whatsoever. The country's doing nicely.


So that's a no then. Unemployment has decreased and people are not poorer.

And you're off topic; the subject is the re-emergence of fascism in Germany.

London.gov.uk is a newspaper?


Stunted economic growth, more red tape while trading with many of the UK's biggest trading partners are supposed to be no drawbacks?

Brexit red tape on British businesses has caused goods trade between the UK and EU to slump and the problem is getting worse, a study has warned.

google.com/amp/s/bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd988p00z1no.amp

This is something even Nigel Farage has admitted to

Nigel Farage on Brexit: Red tape for UK businesses has got worse since UK quit the European Union

Of course he denied that would happen during the Brexit vampaign...

This isn't rocket science. Putting trade barriers and red tape (which is what Brexit means) on your closest trading partners was never going to be good for the economy. Trump is now finding that out for himself, and he has the negotiating leverage of a superpower on his side.

Not to mention other consequences.

Universities across the UK struggle since Brexit

kentandsurreybylines.co.uk/politics/brexit/universities-across-the-uk-struggle-since-brexit/


140bn poorer to be exact.

Better growth than most other major countries.


That was sour grapes by the EU and is not a problem.


More journalism.


Yet we aren't poorer, especially compared to your own sluggish and failing economy.

You don't seem to grasp that it's not been a problem and there are actually some rather important benefits.

You seem obsessed with the EU, a bureaucratic trading bloc that bizarrely has aspirations to be a superstate. There are even some very dodgy politicians on the mainland who'd probably be happy if it were a reboot of the stultifying mess that was the 'holy Roman empire'. That won't happen.

In fact you're so obsessed with it that your every post today and yesterday has been trying to defend it.

Whereas the thread is about the return of fascism in your own country, something our electoral system (which the EU were even trying to interfere with) very efficiently prevents..

In a sense, it is already a superstate.

Lovely. A superstate where the three main remaining (and brazenly self-seeking) countries have unstable governments, one led by a Mussolini loving fascist, one where the Rassemblement Nationale are likely to take power at the next election and one where the eastern half of the country votes for the AFD. Plus Hungary, Slovakia, etc etc.

That sort of superstate is best avoided at all cost.

Well, Merz flew to Paris and Warsaw on his first day in office. That must mean something.

At least they didn't send tanks this time.

Seriously, I saw a couple of articles this week or last but was too busy to pay much attention. One said they hadn't appointed him Chancellor and one a day or two later saying they had.

He's sadly a conservative, however if he manages to keep the fascists from getting a foothold again, that's a plus.

Is he hawkish about r*SSia or does he have to take into account the views of those politicians that support it?

To go back to the original question, of course PIS will be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany!

Then the PiS will be in a minority throughout most of the EU.

so what? if AfD rules Germany the current political trends in the EU will be no more


yeah - it means that keeping Poland in Germany's fold is really important to German politicians, mostly

Konfa would be so happy they'd be drooling.

The appalling Korwin-Mikke (if he's still alive at the next German elections) would certainly have things to say. I wonder what.

From the AfD platform...What makes them "extreme"?

I would appreciate a direct quote, not a personal rendition.

I read it and didn't find anything "extreme".

Nothing that I have seen.

As far as I can see they are just right wing.

What are their extreme policies?

To me, "right" means logically correct and moral.

To the leftists, "right" means fascist.

Memo to all: Please do not use "right" the way leftists do. You are playing into their hands.

The same applies to "progressive" and "liberal". These scumbags are neither.

They are totalitarians using democracy as a tool to take it away from us by pretending that they support it but hiding the asterisks and disclaimers.

See Western European freedom of speech laws...Stalin and Hitler would be proud.

Just in:


focus.de/politik/deutschland/stillhaltezusage-verfassungsschutz-setzt-afd-neubewertung-als-gesichert-rechtsextrem-vorerst-aus_0efe0733-1c61-4d86-b3f2-2a229b60296a.html

Have you ever seen such chaos in Germany??? 🤪

I would like to see Faesers face now, though!

somebody like that braun guy in poland would never even be allowed to run for president in germany. or relly anywhere even the usa i dont think as trump isnt even as extreme as that guy,

in Germany, my son, the president is not elected in the popular vote