Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing

Try it then in the UK and see how far it gets you. Are you saying that the UK has got their laws wrong on this?


No. It's time for the Polish prime minister to address the nation and to say that race hate and other hate crime will not be permitted.

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/17/gdansk-mayor-pawel-adamowicz-killing-poland

Which will be as effective as telling the nation that the only permitted feelings will be love and respect. In the second part of the speech, the nation will be informed that rapes and murders will also not be permitted. This worked so well in the US.

You don't make much sense.

First of all: how did you make a "race hate" out of it?

Second of all: it wasn't a "crime of hate" but a crime simply known to humankind as "murder". Such a crime should be punished by death in a civilised country. But of course it is not allowed in a silly organisation known as the EU.

hmm aren't a large chunk of those citizens employees of the city and their family?


QUE?


that you live to lie. to the point that I cannot read your posts peppered with lies.

Yes, an enormous achievement. He must have been a great mayor!

And Torq is totally right....you only have to smear someone for long enough and some nutter will take it as an order...


Over 50% of the Danziger voted for him during the first round last November...he must have a huge family!

He is dead, what else do you want now?

He was. Gdańsk is in shock. I think we haven't really realised yet how much we have lost.


:)

And it was almost 65% in the second round of elections...

tokfm.pl/Tokfm/7,130517,24120305,wybory-samorzadowe-2018-wynik-wyborow-w-gdansku.html

... a huge family indeed!

But you know what, Iron, come to think of it - we were his family, and when I talk to my friends and work colleagues they all say the same thing "it's as if someone from my family died". That, more than anything else, tells you about what kind of man he was.

Why do you hate Catholicism so much?

Too much Idź Pod Prąd, I suppose.

For those of you who understand Polish, a little bit of humour from the one and only Paweł Adamowicz...

youtube.com/watch?v=wR7hHQxlzKY

... we will never forget you, Panie Prezydencie.

So can someone explain to me why his own party, PO, disowned him and put up their preferred candidate?

Happens quite a lot in Poland with local mayors. Jarosław Wałęsa is a rising star in Polish politics, and PO wanted him to serve as mayor in Gdańsk as he was/is being groomed for the big stage. They were also tiring of Adamowicz internally, because he was pushing things in Gdańsk that PO were opposed to.

Nothing unusual if you follow local politics in Poland.

Can you give me another example of PO failing to back such a popular and successful President?

They didn't "disown" him--he quit his membership in PO in 2015. Also, I somehow fail to see how the lack of support from PO is something negative.

And I will repeat again: despite the lack of support of any major political party, Paweł Adamowicz managed to defeat both PO and PiS candidates in the elections in November last year.


That is a scary sentence, Delph, if I ever saw one. :D

Off the top of my head, no, but it's nothing unusual in local politics. Torq might remember, but I think there was an example from PiS too somewhere.


He's just looking for an excuse to attack Adamowicz because right wing bloggers told him to do so. I'd even add that most people expected Adamowicz to lose in Gdańsk, yet he won convincingly. People genuinely liked him there, and the ones that hated him were often writing from small villages in Eastern Poland and not Gdańsk at all.

Two things
I think the idea of political parties still hasn't shed the communist taint which is why political parties tend to be so... transient and why so many mayors distance themselves from any national party.

Also language might play a role, the president of the country can't belong to a political party (weird idea) and since mayors are also called presidents (prezydent miasta) there might be some unconscious resistance to the idea of mayors being closely associated with parties.

I didn't realise that, but in the process of trying to confirm this I came across the interesting article:-

natemat.pl/260699,prezydent-gdanska-zaatakowany-do-jakiej-partii-nalezal-pawel-adamowicz

which states:-

That is correct, after being temporarily suspended as a member, and having failed to receive support from his (then) party, he subsequently resign his membership (and rightly so!).

That is also more or less when Platforma joined PiS in their quest to get rid of Gdańsk's mayor, but they failed miserably. As Adamowicz said "they accused me of pretty much everything apart from necrophilia, but it is also only a question of time". Of course none of the ridiculous accusations stood in the court of law.

Yes we know how independent the judiciary is in Poland....

Do you remember the judge (Weronika Klawonn) in the recent Kaczyński Vs Wałęsa case?

s.tvp.pl/images2/9/0/9/uid_9092cfb75f85b7b1a54347165badad8d1542919468147_width_907_play_0_pos_0_gs_0_height_515.jpg

That's right she has the same tee shirt that Walęsa wears

How independent is that?!!

You don't suggest there were improprieties in the court procedures in Adamowicz's case? If you have any such knowledge, it is your duty to officially inform the authorities.

If not, then we have to respect the court's decision, and assume the innocence of the late mayor of Gdańsk. Common Decency 101.


Did she wear the t-shirt during the court procedure? If she did, then it is slightly strange. :) If not, then I don't see how the possesion of a similar t-shirt cancels the independence of a judge.

Don't get me wrong--I'm not saying that our judiciary system is perfect, far from it; but some of the things coming from the so-called right-wing media really do border on paranoia.

Yes, isn't it actually an obligation to report a crime if you have knowledge of it? One can only wonder why he chooses to insult the dead rather than follow the correct legal process.

I agree with you 100%,I did before and will do in future as well as a law abiding and a concerned citizen.

President of Poland Andrzej Duda, PM Mateusz Mazowiecki, European Council President Donald Tusk will be present during the funeral of Paweł Adamowicz.

The mayors of Bremen, Rotterdam, Leipzig and Hamburg will also take part along with 300 delegates from the Association of Polish Towns, including the mayors of Warsaw, Lublin, Poznań and Wrocław.

That was ("Sir") Jimmy Saville in the UK.
Rightly, or wrongly, at least we salute our social benefactors in the UK in their own lifetime. Until he was proven otherwise in death, the aforenamed was feted by queen and country.

Poland's good people are assassinated in word or deed. There is something seriously wrong, and I think I know what it is. The right side of Poland (both politically, and geographically) would prefer to be still in the Soviet Union. They decry any individualism or community action, and have paranoia as to the accuracy of public accountability (so find it easier to avoid criticism and do nothing) The left hand side has the correct idea generally about what life is all about - they wish to live in a social democracy. And the two different thinking peoples should realise that the politicians are only playing a public game, and that in actual fact, in private they often meet and socialise, and laugh at the stupidity of the electorate.

Really? So now motivations a mentally ill ex-con are crucial to the issue because .....? You think its crucial? U Want to curtail free speech and ban a political debate just in case some unstable or mentality ill person takes it the wrong way and might possibly attack somebody. Are you really an American?

How about individual responsibility for one deeds and actions?


If you don't like heat get out of the kitchen. Nobody forced him to involve in politicks or became a mayor eh? All those things are just given, a job description. Jarek Walesa talked about his 'suitcases full of money' is he a part of the conspiracy too?

I understand he was your 'father' figure or whatnot.
Yet, what are you doing here is just adding fuel to a fire. People like you are a part of the problem not a solution.


In Poland about 30% to 45% people take a part in local elections. So 50% of those numbers doesn't equate with 50% voters in Gdansk. Far from it.

Inviting Germans to meddle into Poland's internal affairs? A visible sign what a great man he was.

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@Torq

Sure you loved him. Fair enough. I'm not even surprised as I know somewhat your views on issues. Thing is lots of people didn't like him or to word it better - didn't like his deeds, attitude nor his conduct as a public figure.

How did he do that?

He didn't. It's just one of the many smears that the right wingers in Poland are making against him.

I know that, but I would like to know how extremists justify the murder of a politician who was that popular that he was re-elected for a sixth term!

I'm really curious...I've known Iron for years.

I read somewhere that judges in Poland are supposed to be independent, not political and not engage in political manifestations. That fact that this judge wears this t-shirt and engages in political manifestations most certainly shows her lack of independence.

But somehow breaking the rules does not seem to apply to the likes of Małgorzata Gersdorf, chief of Poland's Supreme Court, or to Andrzej Rzepliński, the former head of the Constitutional Court... or to Igor Turlej, Waldemar żurek and many many more..

It just show how much of a control the Bolsheviks have over the judiciary in Poland and why they were so desperate to stop P Duda's reforms last year.

So why didn't they vote to get him out Ironside? You mean people in the Eastern Poland village didn't like him, because they had been taught by PIS to be scared of a few hundred Syrian children being rehoused here? Because the people who mattered, those in Gdansk, obviously liked him.

Are you insulting the people of Gdansk and calling them out collectively? Ironside the all-knowing?
I know who I don't like the sound of. Here's a clue - lazy people who criticise those who try to make a difference to other people's lives.

Except it doesn't. Why is promoting the Constitution of the Republic of Poland a political thing? A judge is perfectly allowed to promote the reading of the highest source of law in Poland.


You're repeating PiS propaganda word for word. Do try harder.