Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023

Yes, because you talk nonsense. The fact that a guy has one job doesn't make him "a bum" or "margines społeczny", especially if his wife works too. What on Earth is wrong with you? o_O


Yup, it's the same where I live and it's considered to be perfectly normal and has nothing to do with any patologia lol


Exactly.

This whole conversation only proves what I always knew: every woman gets a man that she deserves* (and vice versa).

xD

* apart from domestic abuse cases obviously

I feel the same as Lenka.


Well, that would mean you and your wife got what you deserved too :))) Different strokes for different folks, I guess :))

Which is not longer the case and if things will go in the direction you progressives want it to go it will not reflect reality at all.

In short plenty of women are lazy..lazying about..
In general, laws, and gov intrusion into a family life and issues should be stopped. Making some laws that makes no sense and are not helping anyone is stupidity of our times, a cheap populism.

The some with different retiemanet age of both sexes, it is a political decison, I don't see any practical or sane reason behing it. System of gov pension is faulty as it is.


There will be conscription in Poland sooner or later, I say this time should be done like in Isreal where women are conscripted too.

Then maybe the laws will change then and they will reflect the new reality.


Majority of women aren't lazy or "lazying about". Far from it.


I've already explained what are the sane and practical reasons for it here:

https://polishforums.com/news/parliamentary-elections-87850/12/#msg1928296

As for conscription to the military - the situation in Israel is completely different than in Poland - Israel is pretty much in a permanent state of military conflict/threat.

In what way am I a 'progressive' whatever that is? When did you ever take care of an elderly relative, feed them, wash them, help them on and off a commode, empty it afterwards? I've done it many times.


Let's hope not.

Do you expect any war?

Brilliant. :)

So, for example, you live in a house/apartment that is too small for your family, and your kids can't go to a good private school, but at least the guy "is there for you"? In what sense though? Sharing the poverty and being there every minute of it, instead of getting his finger out and earning more? :) So, I guess Ferdynand Kiepski is you prince charming? ;)


Oh, definitely! 100% :)

@GefreiterKania
A big house and a private school have never brought happiness to anyone

They are not known to bring misery either.

My point is, a man should provide for all his family's needs to the best of his strengths and ability. If he doesn't, he's a bum.

End of.

Material things don't always make for a happy family. What children need most is a stable home with loving parents who are good role models. They don't need private education, they don't need lots of toys, lots of extras. Families don't need two cars.

Apparently it makes up for going to park with your Daddy. To each their own.

And yes Kania, I would rather have my kids going to state school than have their father being basically gone from their life.

Ours needs two.

But both of us can work :))) You seem to fixate only on the guy's earnings.


But I don't consider people who can't afford to send their kids to good private schools and kindergarten and a two-storey apartment in a big city to be poor lol

I went to a public school myself, there are plenty of good public schools in Poland. You're being too dramatic, imho :)


Kania, there are professions in Poland that demand a lot of hard work, skills and expertise from people and at the same time don't pay much. And those are socially needed professions. You wouldn't call those guys "Ferdynand Kiepski", trust me.

Why?

I work over 1.5 full-time and I still have time to read to my son and help my daughter with her homework in the evening. I don't work weekends anymore (or do it very rarely), so we can go shopping, to the zoo or ride a bike together. Working a lot doesn't exclude spending time with your family (nor is it a valid excuse not to). Balance is the key.


It was just an example. When, and if, you ever have children of your own, then you will appreciate the amount of money that raising them requires. :) Until then everything you say is purely hypothetical, and I speak from my own experience and deep wisdom. :)

That means that Monday to Friday you work over 12 hours a day.
What time do you actually do that homework with them?


Paulina never said if she has kids. It's possible she is a mother.

He's probably doing home office.

I usually work 7:30-19:30 (21 two times a week), some of it indeed from home and an occasional weekend. That translates to slightly over 1.5 normal full-time (but these are academic jobs, so it's more like 3 full-time jobs in terms of pay). That means that three times a week I have time for my daughter's homework and/or reading to my son (which I enjoy a lot) and almost every weekend we have time only for ourselves. Matter of discipline and organisation.

Almost every man I know works similar hours. There's nothing unusual about it.

Oh God, I knew it... I knew it! lol No wonder you "can't understand" why women don't want to have kids or that they don't want to have many of them, or why they would want for men to share duties more, etc. That's because you've not been raising your own kids, your wife is doing that for you. You were barely spending any time with your kids.


That's sad, to be honest... But who needs fathers, I guess... o_O

Now you are being dramatic.

A man has to do what a man has to do, a woman has to do what a woman has to do. Old school.

You like to talk about Japan so much. How much time do you think Japanese fathers spend with their kids when they are very young (and the father has to build his professional career)? "A good husband is healthy and absent", as Japanese wives' favourite proverb says. :)

No, I am not :(


So f*cking sad...




Yeah, and their kids seem so happy, right... Not suicidal at all... lol

@Paulina

What? You don't like Japan anymore??? lol

My family is quite happy, thank you. :)

Get back to me when you have a husband and children of your own and then lecture me on family life. :)

So your kids do homework after 19:30?
In most homes I knew that was time when kids were having their bed time phase.


How do you know she doesn't?

I never wrote whether I like it or not. And every country usually has its pluses and minuses.


You think that now... What about your kids? Wouldn't your daughter be more happy if she got to spend more time with you rather than go to a private school? The girl's relationship with her father is very important for her future relationships with men (and not only) and her self-esteem. We'll see how your kids will fare in the future, I guess...


First and foremost I don't need to have a family of my own to know what it's like to be a kid and how important a relationship with their father is for kids, especially for girls. I'm saying this from my own experience.

And I'm not saying this to put you down, Kania. It's just I'm not sure if you realise how important you are for your children...

I just don't want you to screw it up.

Sometimes. I don't always help my daughter with her homework (and my son is still in kindergarten) - that's not the point of homeworks anyway.


Fair enough. It's nice of you to say so.

Maybe you are not, but you are one of those 'good' women that for the least 50 years supported in one way of the other war on men in the west. Whinng how hard is women lot and how men are lacking ....blah blah

In that way we are here - there is no longer women accoring to the new trend. So what arwe you even talking about with you 'we'? Have you been elected as women representative? I think not! Why don't you get hold of yourslef.

(then she act supirsed if people take her for a progressive phew!,)


Even if she does she talk nonsene and you are supporting it! So, what would you rather work 2 jobs and bring in a lot of money into your hosehold or have your hubby do all the chores and rise kids or the other way around.

Women seems to have a cake and eat it too. Home chores are not that hard. They are just like to complain and oft are lazy like F! If not they get those strange ideas ..I guess from other women or from some woman interenet pages.


As a role model and quality time is more importand than the lenght of that time, I would say he is doing all right, Stop trying to fix men, fix yourself.

Of course not but you gave it as an example of how you have time for your kids.


Neither. I'd rather we both worked and both took care of home and kids.

But tbh if the kids and cares were really taken care of I would rather work.

Somehow guys don't jumping on those 'not that hard chores'

How about both spouses work 1 job each and share chores and raise kids.


Why men don't want to do them then? lol


You would say that, because you have no idea what you're talking about.

No doubt that raising kids isn't cheap but you're giving me the impression that you consider yourself to be a good dad simply because you're a good provider. Time is one of the most important gifts that you can give children. As they get older they'll remember the things you did together, not that you bought the latest toy for them. My father was always working and hardly ever there. We weren't well off either. I wished he'd had more time for us so I speak from experience.

The main problem is that we live in such a materialistic society these days and parents seem to lack the ability to say no. Overindulged kids end up being entitled brats in my opinion. I'm talking generally, not about your children btw.

I only mentioned my daughter in relation to homeworks. And you said that at 19:30 she should be in bed. She's 14. How many teenagers do you know that go to sleep at 7.30pm? :)



But men, in most cases, are absolutely atrocious when it comes to house chores. For example, if I cooked for my family, they would end up in a hospital with serious indigestion problems, whilst my wife is absolutely brilliant at it (just as my mother-in-law by the way :)). Why not let her do what she's good at and let me do what I'm good at? Why does it have to be this strange and unnatural "equal" division of earning and house chores? I consider it inefficient and illogical. Sorry.


Which probably has something to do with the fact that we live in a material world and have material needs.

Look, people, I don't want to argue about it - it's not like I'm for rat race or mindless materialism/consumerism. If I were a bachelor, I'd be more than happy to live in a basement, drive an absolute beater car (or even better - take trams and buses) and spend my time reading books and praying. The point is, being a father changes your perspective. Difficult to explain to someone who isn't, I suppose.

Anyways, I'll take what you're all saying into account and come October - when my remaining classes start - I'll definitely be here less often and using every free moment to be with my family; and if I post here, you can be sure I'll be getting paid for it (labs when students do most of the work, consultation hours to which nobody comes, tests, okienka etc.) ;)