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Lech Walesa urged to "reduce Russia" to 50 million people


Ironside  50 | 12387
23 Apr 2024   #211
You did choose to live in the US

About that, I'm not so sure that his claims are true.
he is an annoying little troll, that should learn some respect. Don't waste your time talking to such a pleb.
Novichok  5 | 7903
24 Apr 2024   #212
Compare that with the outcome of true Nazi rule!

As I said a while ago, not everything Hitler and Nazis did was bad. Stalin was a dictator and a very bad person but made the Soviet Union into a superpower.

WW2 is proof of how powerful Germany had become after the defeat in WW1. It took the combined forces of Britain, the US, and the USSR to defeat Germany.

that should learn some respect.

Give me one example where I was disrespectful to the Americans and the Russians here...
Korvinus  2 | 570
24 Apr 2024   #213
Soviet Union into a superpower.

Just invade and occupy every single one of your neighbors, deport people to Syberia, commit inumerous massacres and genocides, denny the historical fact and at the same time blame people for resisting your Tyranny. Be so warmongering that people everywhere from Sweden to Japan fears being invaded by you.

Also, do daily nuclear threats and get butthurt when people wanna join a defensive alliance against your aggression.

WW2 is proof of how powerful Germany had become

Who cares? It is not being powerfool, it is about being free.
The freedom is paramount, every other concern is secondary.
Novichok  5 | 7903
24 Apr 2024   #214
The freedom is paramount, every other concern is secondary.

Don't use big words you can't define.

I lived in unfree Poland and didn't give a rat's ass about "freedom". My problem was empty shelves and my laughable salary.
Korvinus  2 | 570
24 Apr 2024   #215
I lived in unfree Poland and didn't give a rat's ass about "freedom".

Yes, I did guess that much. I can tell when I am speaking with small man equiped with small mind.
Novichok  5 | 7903
24 Apr 2024   #216
OK, you are a big man with a big mind. What did you do about that missing "freedom"?
Korvinus  2 | 570
24 Apr 2024   #217
What did you do about that missing "freedom"?

In 1989 thinking in terms of conspiracy theories was as popular as today, so I'm sure some cynical people commented "ah, those Poles and their desire for freedom! How naive! Poland is just a fool tool for some very different designs!"

But the fact is, today we're more free and prosperous than we've ever been before 1989. If some nefarious plans were realised thanks to us reclaiming independence, so be it. If somebody's happiness depended on our subjugatjon, fu*ck them with a sharp stick. We don't owe this fu*cks a thing.

Same with Ukrainians. Some people on this thread act as if Ukraine's defeat and subjugation by Russia will bring realisation of their dreams (either traditional conservative or tankie communist). Globohomo will be overcome and gay parades/capitalism forbidden!

To these people I can only say, if realisation of your dreams rely on the suffering of millions of people, they aren't worth sh!t.
Novichok  5 | 7903
24 Apr 2024   #218
So, you did nothing because that "freedom" wasn't that important to you. Smart...

today we're more free and prosperous than we've ever been before 1989

Everybody is. Even Russia and communist China. BFD.
Korvinus  2 | 570
24 Apr 2024   #219
(Novichok is pulling a 40 man train of red Russian occupation soldiers)

Novichok: "Wait! I promoted communism before the invasion and betrayed my own kind! Don't I get some kind of commie reward after the successful invasion?"

Red Russian Communists : "Do you really think we would trust someone who has betrayed everyone else around him yet chose to enjoy the benefits of freedom paid for by others while they still existed? You are only fit to be a comfort girl and your neighbors whom you sold out would agree!"
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11820
24 Apr 2024   #220
Even Russia and communist China.

Really? Would you try to write against THE PARTY in China? Or dare to criticize Putin in Russia? Or even in exile? The way you write against the US or Europe?

Be honest!
Bobko  27 | 2154
24 Apr 2024   #221
dare to criticize Putin in Russia?

You can criticize Putin all day in Russia. You can do it outside of Russia, as a Russian, as well.

What you cannot do, is:

1) Discredit the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

2) Receive money from abroad, and use it in attempts to influence popular opinion in Russia.

3) Send, or facilitate the sending of, funds to aid the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

4) Disseminate state secrets of Russia

5) Publicly call for the overthrow of the Russian government, or for the break up of Russia into a collection of smaller republics.

Not so hard to follow, no?
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11820
24 Apr 2024   #222
Not so hard to follow, no?

Who cares?

Every critic is put into the traitor-corner who totally deserved his death by lethal injection or window fall anyhow, no?

How many traitors are dying right now a slow miserable death in some siberian gulag?

Did you really believe they all got a fair trial? Do you really believe they are all guilty?
Bobko  27 | 2154
24 Apr 2024   #223
How many traitors are dying right now a slow miserable death in some siberian gulag?

The GULAG system was shut down by Nikita Khrushchev in 1960. There are no GULAGs in Russia now for 64 years.

totally deserved his death by lethal injection or fall out of window anyhow, no?

A dozen people perhaps, in as many years?

Name me one that did not deserve it? Skripal and Litvinenko were agents of Russian state security, that decided they want to live in London and make money writing books about Russian secrets.

The helicopter pilot in Spain that killed his fellow servicemen, and "donated" his aircraft to the Ukrainians?

A Chechen murderer, that managed to get refugee status in Sweden?

Which of these pieces of sh*t deserved to live?

The only real example is Navalny - and he was a man that challenged the old man himself for the top position. So, unless you are bidding for the throne, or you are a traitor - there is nothing to fear.
Paulina  16 | 4338
24 Apr 2024   #224
Name me one that did not deserve it?

Anna Politkovskaya, Boris Nemtsov, Aleksey Navalny, to name a few that we know about.

The only real example is Navalny - and he was a man that challenged the old man himself for the top position.

This shouldn't get you killed in a normal country.

So, unless you are bidding for the throne, or you are a traitor - there is nothing to fear.

You are lying (not the first time and not the last one, I'm sure).

Did you really believe they all got a fair trial? Do you really believe they are all guilty?

Bobko, like many other RuSSians, doesn't care.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11820
24 Apr 2024   #225
Which of these pieces of sh*t deserved to live?

Well...then why no open regular trial?
Bobko  27 | 2154
24 Apr 2024   #226
Anna Politkovskaya, Boris Nemtsov

Killed by Chechens.

then why no open regular trial?

For a dog - a dog's death.
Paulina  16 | 4338
24 Apr 2024   #227
Killed by Chechens.

Says who? :))) And even if - by who's order? :)

🤦🙄
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11820
24 Apr 2024   #228
For a dog - a dog's death.

How can you be sure it's a dog....without a regular trial. That shouldn't be a problem if everything is so clear, shouldn't it....
Alien  24 | 5739
24 Apr 2024   #229
there is nothing to fear

In a country full of terror?
Bobko  27 | 2154
24 Apr 2024   #230
says who?

Kind of an open secret in Russia.

Anna Politkovskaya was writing about human rights abuses in Chechnya after the war (kidnappings, summary executions, torture, etc). Ramzan did not appreciate her coverage of his efforts at stabilizing Chechnya. So he had her killed.

Boris Nemtsov openly called him a thug and a murderer who had no place in Russia. So, Ramzan also killed him. When the heat got to be too much, one of Ramzan's friends took the blame.

Chechnya is a medieval, feudal, and absolutely wild country inside Russia. We deal with it as best we can. Believe me, if you do not know what to do with Syria and Afghanistan - then you will have a very bad time dealing with Chechnya.
Korvinus  2 | 570
24 Apr 2024   #231
Name me one that did not deserve it?

Is there anything that russia/soviet union did which you consider bad? Is a honest question. I never saw a British nationalist denying that British empire did a lot of bad things. But for Ruskies, it seems like USSR was absolute perfect, never did anything wrong and everyone who broke free from USSR hates it by no reason.
Bobko  27 | 2154
24 Apr 2024   #232
anything that russia/soviet union did which you consider bad?

1) Collectivization
2) Purges
3) Katyn
4) Prague Spring
5) Deportations
6) Murder of the Royal Family

There's a lot, but it's never what you accuse us of.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11820
24 Apr 2024   #233
I always marvel about the estimated number of victims of the Sovietunion....more than the Nazis actually (!)....and that most of them had been their own people....and yet this steadfast support still!
Bobko  27 | 2154
24 Apr 2024   #234
and yet this steadfast support still!

To be Russian is to suffer.

Suffering purifies the soul, and brings us closer to God.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11820
24 Apr 2024   #235
To be Russian is to suffer.

I don't want you to suffer so!

But then....I'm more like a pagan:)
Alien  24 | 5739
24 Apr 2024   #236
people....and yet this steadfast support still!

Not only support but even pride in being Russian.
Paulina  16 | 4338
24 Apr 2024   #237
Kind of an open secret in Russia.

;D

So he had her killed.

On Putin's birthday :))))

Boris Nemtsov openly called him a thug and a murderer who had no place in Russia. So, Ramzan also killed him.

Sorry, but considering how things have been going over the years in RuSSia being the main opposition leader going against Putin is pretty obviously the main reason to get you killed in RuSSia and Kadyrov seems to be an easy mental scapegoat for RuSSians.

Btw, even IF we assume that Kadyrov is responsible for those murders - that means it was accepted/approved by Putin or, at the very least, not disapproved by Putin.

Chechnya is a medieval, feudal, and absolutely wild country inside Russia. We deal with it as best we can.

"Ah, those wild, savage Chechens - poor Putin has no control over his puppy Ramzan, what can you do..." ;D :))))

🤦🙄
Bobko  27 | 2154
24 Apr 2024   #238
at the very least, not disapproved by Putin.

It is... potentially more scary than that.

With this, you have touched on an actual nerve :)

The scarier alternative is that Putin is afraid of Ramzan. Many things indicate this.

It's okay if Putin does not want to punish his ferocious Rottweiler, because he is so loyal. There are some things, that may indicate that Putin feels certain fatherly feelings towards Ramzan, because he has observed him since he has been a teenager and may feel responsible for getting his father killed.

But there's also much to indicate that Putin is at a loss re: what to do with him. He sent several very influential people to be "federal plenipotentiary in Chechnya". These guys were either ex heads of special forces, or actually close friends of Putin. None of them managed to reign Ramzan in, and he somehow managed to engineer the firing of each of them.

Anyway, this is not the point, to discuss Russia's problems with Chechnya.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11820
24 Apr 2024   #239
But there's also much to indicate that Putin is at a loss re: what to do with him.

Hard to believe....Putin is no pussy, to slip Ramzow a lethal injection should be easy for him!
Bobko  27 | 2154
24 Apr 2024   #240
Hard to believe...

Ramzan is a wild animal, but he has stabilized Chechnya.

In 1999 Grozny was the most destroyed city in Europe since Dresden. Now Grozny is a booming city with skyscrapers and wide, green boulevards.

In the late 1990s, it seemed like Chechnya could be the bomb that would blow Russia to pieces. The first signal, before the Tatars, Bashkirs and others started causing problems.

We scared everybody into submission by showing them the price of disobedience, but it was also important to show them why it is better to work with Moscow than against it.

Many other Chechens have claimed they could do a better job, and we never got a chance to see how it could have been. For the time being, we are stuck with Ramzan.


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